View Full Version : Gary aka Law aka Venom has come off.
I've just had the following text from Gary at the Brands Track day.
"I've written off my bike and my shoulder is a bit bruised. Went into a tyre wall and flipped myself into the wire fence."
He say's he's OK.
martianskippy
02-07-09, 09:17 AM
Good he's come out of it OK.. Shame about the bike though, it was so new and shiny :(
the white rabbit
02-07-09, 09:18 AM
Oops. Is that Law as in Chinese chap. I didn't realise he had been born again as Venom.
Miss Alpinestarhero
02-07-09, 09:23 AM
His bike isnt looking too pretty...:( Matt (aka alpinestarhero) sent me a picture message.
Poor bike & poor Venom
Maria
the_lone_wolf
02-07-09, 09:25 AM
Oops. Is that Law as in Chinese chap. I didn't realise he had been born again as Venom.
Not many did;)
Glad to hear he's OK, always better to crash in a road sign free environment...:mrgreen:
Oops. Is that Law as in Chinese chap. I didn't realise he had been born again as Venom.
blimey, i didnt know that either!!
glad he's ok tho. bike written off so early in the day is a bummer, but he can get another bike another time and do another track day. its only metal plastic and rubber, him being ok is the main thing
ps silly sod!
Well Venom was more the name of the bike... Which has possibly gone to the motorcycle scrapyard in the sky.
plowsie
02-07-09, 09:28 AM
Fook me :(
Hope it is just a bruised shoulder mate. Bikes can be fixed...yadayada.
Rest up :(
Graciepants
02-07-09, 09:30 AM
he said the braked, ABS kicked in and the brakes never came back - so all of you with your fancy bikes with the fancy ABS he warned ;)
so glad he's ok :)
Jayneflakes
02-07-09, 09:31 AM
Hope that he is OK, bikes can be street fightered after a tumble! Hmm, new project I suspect is now on the way.
Good luck Venom, hope the bruises heal fast.
plowsie
02-07-09, 09:33 AM
Oooooh, please streetfighter it :lol: That would be awesuuuuuum!
damn - i told him to take falc's bike!
Hope he's OK
Learn something new every day, at least Gary/Law/Venom is ok
Ouch - hope he's ok. Shame about the bike, but that can always be replaced.
Oh silly boy! Glad he's not too badly hurt though
hugs xx
Bluewolf
02-07-09, 10:27 AM
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damn - i told him to take falc's bike!
Hope he's OK
OI!
Hope your OK Gary, very crap news.
If it was really an ABS issue perhaps something can be claimed from Honda?
Yep, ABS shouldn't do things like that... but lets wait till we hear all the facts.
Owenski
02-07-09, 10:59 AM
honda might not be too impressed by the track day claim.
Why? Whether its track or not then the bike should not do something like that, he was lucky it was a track as on the road it could have been far worse.
Oopps, well main thing he,s ok, GWS Gary
madness
02-07-09, 11:06 AM
Whatever he calls himself, I'm glad to hear he's ok
Update from Gary -
"I was going fast. Braked slightly late and hard and the brake leaver went to handlebar but it felt like I was coasting. Decided not to tip it and risk falling off and tumbling across the the gravel. I smashed into the tyre wall at high speed. Ripped off my right boot, popped of my visor, smacked my right shoulder. Got up a bit dazed and jumped over the wall, then realised I was already on the right side before. Got a bleeding right ring finger and my leg and shoulder are aching like <expletive>."
plowsie
02-07-09, 11:11 AM
Update from Gary -
"I was going fast. Braked slightly late and hard and the brake leaver went to handlebar but it felt like I was coasting. Decided not to tip it and risk falling off and tumbling across the the gravel. I smashed into the tyre wall at high speed. Ripped off my right boot, popped of my visor, smacked my right shoulder. Got up a bit dazed and jumped over the wall, then realised I was already on the right side before. Got a bleeding right ring finger and my leg and shoulder are aching like buggery."
edited expletive :D
Sounds weird. Guess no chance of actually checking the braking system now :(
the_lone_wolf
02-07-09, 11:11 AM
"I was going fast. Braked slightly late and hard and the brake leaver went to handlebar but it felt like I was coasting.
Had a similar feeling on the KTM once after a days HARD track riding in scorching sun, brakes suddenly lost their bite and I almost came off. Doesn't sound like ABS, sounds more like boiled brakes or even a leak in the system, not that it makes much difference now:(
edit: was the fluid level OK before he started? If it was low could it have sucked a bubble into the M/C?
Oh dear. :( One of the risks you have to consider when deciding to do a track day. Glad to hear Gary came out of it better than his bike did.
dizzyblonde
02-07-09, 11:24 AM
#embarrassed# didn't know Gary was Venom
It all makes sense now..duh..
Anyway, if your gonna crash you may as well do it spectacular like ;-)
GWS Gary.
selfish git probably caused the session to be ended early too!!
stone him!!
dizzyblonde
02-07-09, 11:25 AM
I was going to say, did anyone get pics, if it were a track day
But thats mean, so I won't!
oh dear that will be expensive - dont know if he took track day insurance but probably not as I have told many people its not worth the money as not many bikes get written off on the track - will keep gob shut in future.
stick to pedal power gary
Owenski
02-07-09, 11:30 AM
Ouch'y!
All the best mate,
oh and photos?
Quiff Wichard
02-07-09, 11:32 AM
as long as Gary Ok.. but track day?? no insurance??
sounds painful having a head-on with a tyre wall - I'd say you were lucky in a way if you went over the tyre wall and didn't seriously hurt yourself!!
gws
_Stretchie_
02-07-09, 11:35 AM
Ocuh, glad your ok dude
Oh dear. :( One of the risks you have to consider when deciding to do a track day. Glad to hear Gary came out of it better than his bike did.
+1 especialy if its your only bike, or brand new
gutting GWS fella
Law hun im so sorry, so glad your ok. I will make you lots and lots of cake:smt057
So sorry about your bike xxxx
as long as Gary Ok.. but track day?? no insurance??
dont know if he had insurance or not. Hopefully he did as its a new bike.
Fizzy Fish
02-07-09, 12:05 PM
Jeez Gary you don't do things by halves do you??
gutted for you about your lovely bike, but v glad that you didn't write yourself off! GWS
:grouphug:
*ahem* drag it on to the road...! *ahem*
ThEGr33k
02-07-09, 12:14 PM
Hope he had insurance on that. Glad he is not too badly off though!!!
Had a similar feeling on the KTM once after a days HARD track riding in scorching sun, brakes suddenly lost their bite and I almost came off. Doesn't sound like ABS, sounds more like boiled brakes or even a leak in the system, not that it makes much difference now:(
edit: was the fluid level OK before he started? If it was low could it have sucked a bubble into the M/C?
I don't imagine that Gary was riding that hard and boiled his brakes as the message I go was early this morning. So it would have been rather early in the session, and I wouldn't like to comment on how his insurance is covered on this.
I do have a photo that's on my phone of the damage, so will try to post it later.
Not sure if you all can see this -
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs197.snc1/6654_97938028177_611923177_2136147_5041738_n.jpg
If not here is a link (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2136147&id=611923177&ref=nf)
dizzyblonde
02-07-09, 12:30 PM
Oh dear oh dear, very lucky for not having anything more serious injury wise.
Your poor bike :-( :-(
AT least he's alright but i can't see photo (firewalled work PC)
so shame about the bike looked nice to!
Yup, can see it Grinch, ouch, that looks very very nasty :(
JediGoat
02-07-09, 12:55 PM
Crikey...GWS Gary!
the_lone_wolf
02-07-09, 12:57 PM
I don't imagine that Gary was riding that hard and boiled his brakes as the message I go was early this morning. So it would have been rather early in the session, and I wouldn't like to comment on how his insurance is covered on this.
Unless he bought trackday insurance it isn't:(
That photo is nasty, having watched them write off my 675 for a few scratches I reckon it's the same deal, point taken about the brakes, who knows what happened
Really sorry to see this Gary, hope you heal quick and manage to sort the bike out
he said the braked, ABS kicked in and the brakes never came back - so all of you with your fancy bikes with the fancy ABS he warned ;)
there may have been no traction, would be interested to hear the story behind this one.
*ahem* drag it on to the road...! *ahem*
:smt044:smt036
gruntygiggles
02-07-09, 01:01 PM
WOW......GWS Gary and get yourself checked at the hospital if you haven't already!
The bike looks so mangled, it's lucky you weren't more seriously hurt so thank god for that!
Take care mate x
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs197.snc1/6654_97938028177_611923177_2136147_5041738_n.jpg
If not here is a link (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2136147&id=611923177&ref=nf)
The crash protectors seem to have stood up pretty well though ;). What was it? A cbr?
I saw him about an hour ago. He's fine. Its damn hot out at the circuit at the moment. I believe he had the off in his first session out.
He wasn't the only one to go down though. Someone went down in almost every session this morning. Had a bloke highside in front of me while at druids and also at clearways. Also had Sid Squid go down in front of me at Clearways. He's alright though. The bike on the other hand is a little worse for wear but rideable(from what I could see anyway)
I wonder how the tarmac is bearing up on the track then if there has been that many offs.
I wonder how the tarmac is bearing up on the track then if there has been that many offs.
I'm sure the tarmac is bearing up just fine - it's the nutters on the bikes that cause the crashes! ;)
Hope Venom is ok, I would always prefer trying to get round the corner and potentially lowsiding, than deciding to go straight on in to the tyre wall but I guess in the heat of the moment, who knows :smt104
GWS :)
plowsie
02-07-09, 01:18 PM
Oh Sid too :(
That bike is a bit worse for wear :( I'm with Scoobs.
gruntygiggles
02-07-09, 01:21 PM
I wonder how the tarmac is bearing up on the track then if there has been that many offs.
I know the heat is supposed to help...but surely only if the tarmac itself can cope with it and not all tarmac is the same composition.
Blimey o riely! Venom and the Squid!
Cant see the pictures, so cant comment, however i do know it was a newish bike! Poor gary, Poor bike, Poor Squid!
dizzyblonde
02-07-09, 01:23 PM
Doesn't tarmac start to act strange when it gets realllllly hot? yesterday was an extremely hot day, and today it was as hot as lunchtime on a normal summers day here....so who knows?
Doesn't tarmac start to act strange when it gets realllllly hot? yesterday was an extremely hot day, and today it was as hot as lunchtime on a normal summers day here....so who knows?
lets not blame the track for bad riding!! ;)
hope the squidly isnt too bad too...i'll chuck in a few exclamation marks for him!!!!!!!!!!!!
gruntygiggles
02-07-09, 01:26 PM
Sid Squid too...hope you're ok x
plowsie
02-07-09, 01:28 PM
Doesn't tarmac start to act strange when it gets realllllly hot?
No, but the heat of the tarmac, could test your pressures out to the max.
*ahem* drag it on to the road...! *ahem*
Sound advice.
My mate done a similar thing, he was doing a track day for his stag day, unfortunately trashed the bike, broke his ankle and collar bone and had to walk down the aisle looking like an extra in casualty.
I digress, but he did manage to get the bike home in a van then at a later date got the insurance company round to assess the bike and they wrote it off, as long as you tell them it was a single vehicle accident and nobody else was at fault you'll be alright.
Sound advice.
My mate done a similar thing, he was doing a track day for his stag day, unfortunately trashed the bike, broke his ankle and collar bone and had to walk down the aisle looking like an extra in casualty.
I digress, but he did manage to get the bike home in a van then at a later date got the insurance company round to assess the bike and they wrote it off, as long as you tell them it was a single vehicle accident and nobody else was at fault you'll be alright....and you are fully comp!...and its also fraud!
...and you are fully comp!...and its also fraud!
yes to both of those...but weigh up the risk to reward ratio....
but would you need a traffic accident report from da polis?
Your only required to get the police involved if there was a third party, still as mentioned it is fraud.
Anyway Gary mention that someone took Sid Squid out.
Amplimator
02-07-09, 01:41 PM
soz to hear bout the bikes, glad ya both ok tho and wishin ya a speedy recovery!
dizzyblonde
02-07-09, 01:43 PM
you lot are so terrible:o. However, in the circumstances of having a immaculate bike and a possibility of no insurance on a track
:smt115
I would pick the damn thing up with my bare hands and carry it to the nearest road.
In fact I think I know someone not too far away that has done just that ;-)
plowsie
02-07-09, 01:46 PM
Gary mention that someone took Sid Squid out.
Oof, thats not good!
Any more info on the Squid anyone??
the_lone_wolf
02-07-09, 01:57 PM
but would you need a traffic accident report from da polis?
O/T, but no
I had my off in May, phoned the insurance and the engineer came round to my house after I'd recovered the bike myself, I could just as easily have stacked it on the track and then trailered it home...
Tempting, but any kind of insurance fraud would make it impossible, or at least very costly, to get insurance on anything in the future...
I know the heat is supposed to help...but surely only if the tarmac itself can cope with it and not all tarmac is the same composition.
I would have thought that the people who laid the tarmac at Brands would be better than the average pikey, therefore the tarmac should be able to stand up to 30 degrees ambient temperature no problem. The grip out there today (assuming no oil spillages, etc) would be as good as it gets.
I don't think grip would have been an issue. :)
Owenski
02-07-09, 01:59 PM
Why? Whether its track or not then the bike should not do something like that, he was lucky it was a track as on the road it could have been far worse.
I'd have thought the ABS would have been set up for road use. The heavy breaking required for a track could have buggered it up. It was only speculation but I thought that the set up would need to be altered/disengaged if taking a factory bike onto a track.
any kind of insurance fraud would make it impossible, or at least very costly, to get insurance on anything in the future...
If they find out....
I'm not condoning it but people do it on a daily basis. When I came off at Rockingham at least two people came over and asked me if I wanted them to van it out to the road and drop it out there. Me being the good, law abiding citizen (read stupid) I am I said no and just fixed it up myself.
It was a Fireblade wasn't it? Or was it a 600RR? Can't see the pics
plowsie
02-07-09, 02:08 PM
600 RR Carty
jamesterror
02-07-09, 02:08 PM
GWS Venom, glad to hear you're okay.
Owenski
02-07-09, 02:10 PM
was it new to venom or new full stop?
GWS both him and SId anyways.
plowsie
02-07-09, 02:11 PM
was it new to venom or new full stop?
GWS both him and SId anyways.
New full stop, hopefully he will have GAP insurance.
I'd have thought the ABS would have been set up for road use. The heavy breaking required for a track could have buggered it up. It was only speculation but I thought that the set up would need to be altered/disengaged if taking a factory bike onto a track.
Even so you need to do some serious riding and constant heating of the brakes to boil them and then fail or something, with it being his only second ride on the track that day. Early in the morning without the heat of the day kicking in, I'd be surprised if it wasn't a fault with the system.
gruntygiggles
02-07-09, 02:15 PM
I would have thought that the people who laid the tarmac at Brands would be better than the average pikey, therefore the tarmac should be able to stand up to 30 degrees ambient temperature no problem. The grip out there today (assuming no oil spillages, etc) would be as good as it gets.
I don't think grip would have been an issue. :)
You're right....just checked and the track temp got to 44 degrees in 2007 at the world supersport, so you'd think it could cope!
the_lone_wolf
02-07-09, 02:18 PM
...I'd be surprised if it wasn't a fault with the system.
I'm sure I remember reading in one of the technical articles that if the Honda ABS system malfunctions you fall back on normal brakes, the only way you could lose them altogether is through a fault that would affect non-ABS brakes as well, like a split hose or sucking air into the m/c
The brake system looks intact if a little battered, fluid leak or other fault may still be traceable. Very very unusual to come across a faulty front brake system on a newish bike.
...and you are fully comp!...and its also fraud!
Yes well spotted, you need to be fully comp, and yes it is fraud, i'm not saying it's the right thing to do, but how many of us declare all mod's to the insurance companies? that's still fraudulent! ;)
Oh and I forgot to say in my OP, GWS mate.
Owenski
02-07-09, 02:37 PM
Even so you need to do some serious riding and constant heating of the brakes to boil them and then fail or something, with it being his only second ride on the track that day. Early in the morning without the heat of the day kicking in, I'd be surprised if it wasn't a fault with the system.
I clearly think that highly of his riding ability:smt026lol
Not arguning but just wondering, would he have rode it to the track? a long ish ride could put heat into the brakes. Although you'd have lived in the hope that a new bike or any bike for that matter wouldnt fail due to having been ridden. Obviously a very unfortunate mechanical fault
Antother question: If you ride a new bike on a track and it crashes due to the engine deciding to fall off. Obviously this is a mechanical error but would the manufacturer replace it/fix it if you didnt have the track insurance? Obviously if it happened on the road you'd sue the nuts off the manufacturer but would you be able to make the same claim against them if it happend on a track.
Well I would think it would be the responsibility of the bike manufacture to prove that the conditions of the track could be a influence in the failure.
A lot of speculation going on around here.
Owenski
02-07-09, 03:23 PM
I'd have thought the ABS would have been set up for road use. The heavy breaking required for a track could have buggered it up. It was only speculation but I thought that the set up would need to be altered/disengaged if taking a factory bike onto a track.
A lot of speculation going on around here.
indeed why I made that statement, my thoughts were entierly based on speculation from what I'd read.
honda might not be too impressed by the track day claim.
Could always refer them back to their own commercial...
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2905581/the_all_new_2009_honda_cbr_600rr/ 1m24s onwards...
Wideboy
02-07-09, 04:53 PM
tut, you put yourself before the bike....... not a true biker ;)
gald you relativity ok mate..... shame about the bike
Samurai Penguin
02-07-09, 05:02 PM
Looking at the picture of the bike that was a nasty accident. Good to hear venom walked (well, hobbled) away from that one.
Shellywoozle
02-07-09, 05:04 PM
Aww no glad ya OK mate and you not too bad. Woozle hugs xxxx
skidmarx
02-07-09, 05:58 PM
Gws and all of the above is total fiction guvnor. Anyone know which corner he came off? Tricky is brands Indy especially that bit after the start where it drops way down and to the right, plus what feels like negative camber
xXBADGERXx
02-07-09, 06:04 PM
Rest up dude and take it easy , could have been worse eh mucker ?
dirtydog
02-07-09, 06:05 PM
Gws and all of the above is total fiction guvnor. Anyone know which corner he came off? Tricky is brands Indy especially that bit after the start where it drops way down and to the right, plus what feels like negative camber
Paddock hill bend is where he (alledgedly) did it, which is the corner you've described
muffles
02-07-09, 06:13 PM
I'll let Venom speak for himself but I'm pretty sure there was no overheating aspect as the bike would have sat for a while prior to the 3 sighting laps (and the accident was on the 2nd lap after the sighting laps I believe).
I'm sure the tarmac is bearing up just fine - it's the nutters on the bikes that cause the crashes! ;)
I think there were a lot of crashes because of nutters myself. Some stupid overtaking which I don't know if it's representative of track days in general (this is my first) but I didn't expect/appreciate some of the stunts people pulled on me.
I would have thought that the people who laid the tarmac at Brands would be better than the average pikey, therefore the tarmac should be able to stand up to 30 degrees ambient temperature no problem. The grip out there today (assuming no oil spillages, etc) would be as good as it gets.
I don't think grip would have been an issue. :)
The guy reckoned the track was 50 odd degrees, but I don't think grip was an issue (at least I didn't feel anything).
Anyway regarding the bike I hope/believe we will be fixing it up...so if you see any cheap 07 on 600RR plastics sets or forks/yokes on Ebay etc we will definitely need those...
Get well soon mate!
skidmarx
02-07-09, 06:19 PM
Paddock hill bend is where he (alledgedly) did it, which is the corner you've described
That's it. On a wing and a prayer... Not that I'm the praying kind.
I was up at Padock Hill Bend taking photos as they came round the top, put the camera down for a sec and heard this horrible bike revving sound and looked up to see a bike going into the tyre wall nose first, rider flipped over the handlebars, over the tyre wall and smash into the mesh fencing and fall to the floor behind the tyre wall. We saw him move and jump over the wall only to jump back over it again. Then i realised it was Law/Venom/Gary (delete as appropriate)! Glad he was walking and not done some serious damage.
Bike is as they say a mess, but he'll only know when he sarts taking it apart and see if anything from head stock back is bent. Front end is fooked beyond recognition.
Gary is fine though, he needs to be watched to make sure he doesn't have concussion, and i am sure he wont be able to move much tomorrow when adrenalin wears off and his muscles cool down. more bruised pride than bruised body i guess. Very lucky to have walked away from it!
Sid Squid is fine also, again bruised and from what other people have said it sounds like he was punted off his bike from the rear and then the guy ran over his thigh!! He has a huge bruise on his thigh and a rubber mark on the chin of his Lid!! :neutral: not sure whether it is from his bike or the guy that hit him. If it had been me the guy wouldn't be getting up if he had done that to me... or we would be seeing how fast he could run down the start/finish straight!!
GWS lads xx
Sammy
Ouch, GWS.
Just a little warning if you do go down the fraudulant road of insurance claims, I have been told it's been known for insurance companys to send employees to track days to take note of bike registration plates in case of fraudulant claims, hence why people put tape over their number plates.
selfish git probably caused the session to be ended early too!!
stone him!!
You have no idea, we only had 2 laps in the first session of the day before it happened. I only saw a dust cloud come up from the start/finish straight and a marshall waving his flags rather enthusiastically.
I think every session in the morning for all 3 groups (novice, inter & fast) was red flagged at some point or another.
I was going to say, did anyone get pics, if it were a track day
But thats mean, so I won't!
The track photographer apparently did. You will have to talk to Gary/Law/Venom about it though as he has them.
I was up at Padock Hill Bend taking photos as they came round the top, put the camera down for a sec and heard this horrible bike revving sound and looked up to see a bike going into the tyre wall nose first, rider flipped over the handlebars, over the tyre wall and smash into the mesh fencing and fall to the floor behind the tyre wall. We saw him move and jump over the wall only to jump back over it again. Then i realised it was Law/Venom/Gary (delete as appropriate)! Glad he was walking and not done some serious damage.
Bike is as they say a mess, but he'll only know when he sarts taking it apart and see if anything from head stock back is bent. Front end is fooked beyond recognition.
Gary is fine though, he needs to be watched to make sure he doesn't have concussion, and i am sure he wont be able to move much tomorrow when adrenalin wears off and his muscles cool down. more bruised pride than bruised body i guess. Very lucky to have walked away from it!
Sid Squid is fine also, again bruised and from what other people have said it sounds like he was punted off his bike from the rear and then the guy ran over his thigh!! He has a huge bruise on his thigh and a rubber mark on the chin of his Lid!! :neutral: not sure whether it is from his bike or the guy that hit him. If it had been me the guy wouldn't be getting up if he had done that to me... or we would be seeing how fast he could run down the start/finish straight!!
GWS lads xx
Sammy
Indeed, the squid was pushed into making a rider to tarmac/gravel interface manoeuvre. The controls of the bike are fine and I believe he rode home, there was some plastic damage to the bike but I do not know of any other damage. The man himself only had bumps and a bit of bruising as his leathers held out and did the job. He might need a new set though, only the man himself can comment on their state.
And Sammy post from your own account. ;)
Zombie Jesus
02-07-09, 09:39 PM
Gary, if you can't fix the bike get a replacement and maybe see you at a track nextyear. Don't let it put you off trackriding my crash last year sort of helped alot in becoming a better rider.
thedonal
02-07-09, 10:52 PM
Gary- mate! Hope you're not hurting too badly. Get well soon!
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