Speeding.....

[BBadger]

Seems ive been done for it.
Althought a number of facts come to light

-stuck behind a car doing 25
-girl using gun was using one of the cheapo hand held ones ....as in no view finder so just a point and hope you hit it.
-Also was inbetween two cars and they say neither of them was speeding
-Also they seem to have a lack of evidence


Its all starting to sound like a joke to me
Any one in the know how??



Cheers brock.

[injury_ian]

was it a police woman or one of the community watches?

... ask your dad if you can have that 250cc now....

[jambo]

A few more details will help out.

If it was just one person and you drove past unmolested, it's probably a community support thing and you'll be fine.

If you were pulled over and given a physical slip of paper then you'll already know the score. You can appeal it, but you'll want to make your mind up based on the facts at hand www.pepipoo.com has to be a good place to spend a little time if you've actually been handed a notice of prosecution.

Jambo

[Red Herring]

The specifics are quite important here. Did they stop you at the time, if so what did they say?

How do you know what type of device it was. If laser then it's possible to do you in the circumstances described, if Muniquip (radar) then very unlikely.

How fast were you actually going? (You might not want to answer that if prosecution impendng...)

[BBadger]

Ok was just ranting earlier but ill give you the story.

Doing 28mph exactly ( photographic memory really helps out )
Didnt get pulled just rode on past as its on a very hard right hand bend.
PCo i think as she was by heerself although there was one of those small transit vans parked off the main road i was traveling.
Radar as she stood right on the corner (could have reached out and touched her) ...just had a big grey dish on the front and new vewfinder

Got the letter through today saying "allegidly" i was speeding over 30, but just asking who the driver was.

Ive already filled it out and writen a cover note saying i state i wasnt speeding and cercumstances prove so.

Does all sound abit odd though....i thought they would have just issued it if i was speeding?? but why go to all this trouble if its just community police who got bored??

[Red Herring]

Sorry mate, that just doesn't add up. If it was a very tight bend then it's unlikely she was measuring the speed there, more likely 100m plus up the road, in which case if you were between two vehicles she hasn't got a chance of reading you, even with a laser. Lasers don't use a "big grey dish", neither do Muniquip devices. The BBC do, sure it wasn't the local radio station reporting on what she was doing?
The letter is standard practice, requirement from registered keeper for name and address of driver at time of alleged offence. If they are going to prosecute you should now get a conditional offer through. If it's a community "speed watch" thing they don't normally bother with the requirement, just send you a rude letter telling you to slow down. Their move now.

[BBadger]

when i say big dish ... i mean small grey one about 3/4 inches across stuck to the front of a gun shaped object.
Hmmm things just dont add up and i got all grumpy earlier.

It sounds like they are just trying to get me to hush up and pay up over somthing i havent done. Didnt know community watch had vans though.
Suppose time will tell

Thanks for the help.
Brock.

[ArtyLady]

Who exactly sent the letter? I'd be tempted to phone and ask what it's all about :confused:

[missyburd]

Is it possible it's a bit of a con to try and scam fines out of people who get scared and pay without checking things out? All sounds very fishy to me...

[Bluefish]

Bad Boy, Bad Boy, watcha gonna do when they come for you.
ps when the mrs has had a letter through twice now, addressed to me as car is in my name, it informes you to cough up, ie pay the fine, or declare who was driving if it wasn't you. if it wasn't the same it could be one of those community ones hth.

[STRAMASHER]

I got done for speeding in similar conditions. Cops right enough but...

44 in a 30. Blatantly ******** as I was at the end of a row of cars trundling through a village.

Cop later tells me, "We can't pull over cars here cos its too dangerous (on this stretch of road... a sweeping corner but still in a 30 limit.)" Thats what you are up against.

I had only been riding a few years at the time and was still a bit green in dealing with these type of morons.



Good luck fella. You are an easy target.

[BBadger]

It was declare who was driving letter.
I did phone... surrey police out in stains and even spoke to the desk girly who sent out my letter.
They keep using "allegid" though and over 30mph ... not details ...no youve been done... just we may do this or we may do that.
Im just not conviced im not getting scammed by someone who got bored!

Thanks again guys n gals
Wuna try to keep this running, as if it is a scam we can let everyone know.

[BBadger]

And Back from the depths i bring it all people!

got another letter through with actual details and a statement from the pcso who used the gun.
its a LTi 20.20 ...know for problems and general inacuracy.
i was alegedly clocked at 300m away..and there was no tripod.

would just like to know if any of this is worth fighting for as i can do the maths and prove the error as below ....or am i just letting it get to me.
those with knowhow of law any info would be greatly appiciated.

ive already worked out the maths that even 1degree movement will make a 5m error on my end which if hitting a static target will add at least 22mph to my recorded speed, which would make it the suposid 55mph i was doing which is rather impossible for the road conditions mind you.

[Red Herring]

Sounds as if you're fairly confident. Good luck, let us know how you get on.

[Wideboy]

argue it, when i was issued a section 59 on the car i went to the cop shop to see the bloke that signed the letter...... turned out to be complete bullsugar, my car was just parked in an area that barryboys were in causing agro, my numberplate was documented by a PCo even tho it was parked and i was in lectures :rolleyes:

have they said they are going to "do" you or are they threatening you?

[BBadger]

i have summons but have told them i cant attend.

Strange thing is ive looked into it and a pcso was the one doing the gun checks
but all alone....and legally they arnt allowed to do that only a police officer is which i take it they are not??

just wondering is there anything i should be doing that im not apart from a tone of research into who has what powers and what the law says on it all.

[Stingo]

i have summons but have told them i cant attend.

Strange thing is ive looked into it and a pcso was the one doing the gun checks
but all alone....and legally they arnt allowed to do that only a police officer is which i take it they are not??

just wondering is there anything i should be doing that im not apart from a tone of research into who has what powers and what the law says on it all.

Assuming you are going to plead 'Not Guilty' I'd have thought that this is better done in person than by letter (imo)...is there no way you can attend?

[Bibio]

does the gun have a calibration certificate for that day?

is there photographic evidence it was pointed at your vehicle?

how can they state that you were speeding when the car in front was not and the car behind was not, this defies the laws of physics.

get a brief to take it to court m8.

[BBadger]

cant make it for sure...exam but seeing if it can be moved.
Definatly pleading not guilty and have all the physics worked out, previous motorcycles cases and the ommited flaws of the gun by the manufacturere.

no certificate or evidence just her word against mine bibio, but statement says it was calibrated against a sign ...didnt think pcso's had that sort of specitalist training let alone highly calibrated specialist equipment to do it on the side of the road.
also the pcso was alone....no witness statement again i thought iligall as she has no power to do this sort of thing, as the law contstanly repeats "only a police cunstable may offer an opinion on wheather some one is speeding" which they must do before they take a reading on you.