View Full Version : Becoming a pain riding!
ManxMatt34
07-03-10, 11:26 PM
Hey just looking for some advice.
Ok i belive the sv has adjustable suspension standard, was wondering if theres a guide on how to. And if anyone could recommend where to adjust to.
Sick of being on bumpy roads and getting off in pain, also with other half on the back alot now becoming a joke. Got off today almost annoyed.
Either that or is the sv just notoriously uncomfy, i mean the seat they provide on the pointies is shocking and i'd be comfier rubbing my a**e on a wire brush sometimes.
If it really can't be changed much i will be contemplating a new bike on finance/trade in. Just sick to death of not being able to enjoy my ride, and feeling so tense and p***d off when i get off. Minor rant over, any advice welcome! Matt.
nop its not adjustable in the way you are thinking
look at an end to end setup, front fork oil/springs (£100ish), set sag up (FREE)
othere than that you will have to replace the rear shock if you want any adjustment or to have it set to you weight (£££ depends on what you want or try the old ZX6 shock mod if you want)
davepreston
07-03-10, 11:41 PM
just buy my gixxer for 2 grand and i may even consider a part ex with you
just buy my gixxer for 2 grand and i may even consider a part ex with you
you scared of it...
davepreston
07-03-10, 11:48 PM
honestly
yes tbh i am
AndyBrad
08-03-10, 07:52 AM
get it setup riht forst matt. you need to see why your in pain. It could be the bars or it could be that your bottoming out over every bump. theres a guide that somone will post shortly im sure. Basically it involves measuring everything up and setting your preload so you have plenty of suspension movement. If your taking the lass on the back then things are just going to get worse.
I popped (read got yc to) progressive suspension springs in mine with new oil and didnt notice a bit of difference. Stuck in a load of 20mm washers for some preload and it transformed the bike. give it a go!
Hey just looking for some advice.
Ok i belive the sv has adjustable suspension standard, was wondering if theres a guide on how to. And if anyone could recommend where to adjust to.
Sick of being on bumpy roads and getting off in pain, also with other half on the back alot now becoming a joke. Got off today almost annoyed.
Either that or is the sv just notoriously uncomfy, i mean the seat they provide on the pointies is shocking and i'd be comfier rubbing my a**e on a wire brush sometimes.
If it really can't be changed much i will be contemplating a new bike on finance/trade in. Just sick to death of not being able to enjoy my ride, and feeling so tense and p***d off when i get off. Minor rant over, any advice welcome! Matt.
I was the same on the pointy sv, I could manage50 miles before being in serious pain.
The girlfriend and I both find the600rr infinetly more comfortable.
Either that or is the sv just notoriously uncomfy, i mean the seat they provide on the pointies is shocking and i'd be comfier rubbing my a**e on a wire brush sometimes.
It is probably the riding position that is wrong for you, rather than the set up. Forks/shockers won't change the knee angle/weight on the wrist substantially. Or the seat!
As G, I found the SV pretty uncomfortable but the "highly focussed" Kwak is way better. Horses for courses...
I was the same on the pointy sv, I could manage50 miles before being in serious pain.
50 Miles ... you are doing well ....... :D
I've changed to an ER-6 ... and could ride all day without a care (or pain) in the World ....:D
Dicky Ticker
08-03-10, 09:53 AM
You must remember the SV is basically a budget bike-£4000 and you get what you pay for,where as a bike costing £8000 has more refinement. Taking nothing away from the SV,which is good value for the money. If you spent another £4000 on it you could have a superb bike. This is why people upgrade to different bikes after the SV.
dizzyblonde
08-03-10, 10:03 AM
honestly
yes tbh i am
big girl jessy pants!!:-dd
speedplay
08-03-10, 10:18 AM
just buy my gixxer for 2 grand and i may even consider a part ex with you
you scared of it...
honestly
yes tbh i am
Poof.
get out there and ride the bloody thing!
the seat on the SV is one of the worst i ahve ever sat on. as for the suspension, budget bike = budget parts.
maviczap
08-03-10, 10:34 AM
Gel seats front and rear (get the rear modified)
Hagon or similar shock to upgrade the OEM shock. Then get the fork springs changed too
Get some of these to adjust the position of your footrests so they're more comfy. Don't worry they can be adjusted quickly if you need more ground clearance for a track day.
http://www.sportouring.com/gallery.php?sectionHeaderActive=1000&rangeChoosen=426
Otherwise buy a BMW
ManxMatt34
08-03-10, 09:54 PM
You must remember the SV is basically a budget bike-£4000 and you get what you pay for,where as a bike costing £8000 has more refinement. Taking nothing away from the SV,which is good value for the money. If you spent another £4000 on it you could have a superb bike. This is why people upgrade to different bikes after the SV.
Think this might even be the answer im looking for to be honest, might just start looking elsewhere.
yorkie_chris
08-03-10, 10:54 PM
£4000? That's a lot.
I'd say £1000 max to bring the suspension up to similar standard of a late model sportsbike. Whether you like the bike enough to justify that is your problem :)
carternd
09-03-10, 01:33 AM
Think this might even be the answer im looking for to be honest, might just start looking elsewhere.
You may be right. When I'd had my SV S a month I thought I'd made a massive mistake. My wrists hurt under 50mph, my knees and backs of legs/butt hurt. I now have no problems, but I find the more cycling (on a drop-barred single-speed) I do the less focused the SV feels. I'm short and the bars often feel a stretch away, and I have to stop myself tank-humping, as this cramps my knees. On the plus side, wind the wrist back and it suddenly makes perfect sense. Before buying I tried a Fazer 6 and it had a nice sit-up position, great around town and better brakes, but sounded like a hair dryer and looked nondescript. It may just not fit you very well!
maviczap
09-03-10, 09:16 AM
You may be right. When I'd had my SV S a month I thought I'd made a massive mistake. My wrists hurt under 50mph, my knees and backs of legs/butt hurt. I now have no problems, but I find the more cycling (on a drop-barred single-speed) I do the less focused the SV feels. I'm short and the bars often feel a stretch away, and I have to stop myself tank-humping, as this cramps my knees. On the plus side, wind the wrist back and it suddenly makes perfect sense. Before buying I tried a Fazer 6 and it had a nice sit-up position, great around town and better brakes, but sounded like a hair dryer and looked nondescript. It may just not fit you very well!
I used to have these problems until I got some LSL clip on bars. The standard Sv clip on are a form of Japanese torture.
LSL or Heli bars raise the riding position to somewhere approaching comfort, although not the same as my Gilles Vario bars, which have oddles of adjustability and different options for the raisers.
The Gilles bars were bought to go with my GSXR USD forks, but you can get them for the standard Sv forks. They're expensive though
dizzyblonde
09-03-10, 10:34 AM
£4000? That's a lot.
I'd say £1000 max to bring the suspension up to similar standard of a late model sportsbike. Whether you like the bike enough to justify that is your problem :)
Come on Chris thats why yours looks like a shed:smt081
Seriously, I reckon on paying costs to greaseboy to rebuild bike, parts, engines etc etc I paid 2.5k doing her up on top of the 2k I paid. If you take things seriously, it costs you money.
yorkie_chris
09-03-10, 10:35 AM
That's the suspension alone, what you spend on the rest of it is a different matter!
dizzyblonde
09-03-10, 10:37 AM
yes, and the rest is worth 50p hehehehehe
on the wind up ;-)
Dicky Ticker
09-03-10, 01:14 PM
True what you say Chris,but when you take everything into consideration it is quite easy to spend 4K suspension,exhaust,ECU, fueling,engine mods i.e.cams pistons boring, upgrade brakes and discs,wheels and tyres-------------------SPENT
The point being you will never recover this money once you have spent it,it is still only a moded SV,but if you buy another bike with the 4K and your exchange at least he have a bit of colateral in what you have bought.
Come on Chris thats why yours looks like a shed:smt081
Seriously, I reckon on paying costs to greaseboy to rebuild bike, parts, engines etc etc I paid 2.5k doing her up on top of the 2k I paid. If you take things seriously, it costs you money.
:shock:
What!!! why not just buy as decent bike in the first place??
Dave20046
09-03-10, 01:46 PM
Matt you can get a gixxer shock second hand at reasonable prices (like £50 IIRC), worth a pop in my opinion. Unless you fancy a change of scenery.
dizzyblonde
09-03-10, 02:00 PM
:shock:
What!!! why not just buy as decent bike in the first place??
The bike belonged to my then best mate, who later became my other half. I didn't want another bike...I wanted that one. Over the first couple of years it became clear it needed some serious TLC. I had money in the bank to do it, so why not.
Getting someone to do the job in the first place costs money, parts cost money, engines cost money, blingy bellypans and seat cowls cost you money!
If you think about it, when you buy a new bike....it costs you money to service at regular intervals, at a dealers, it costs you an arm and a leg...people spend money on their bikes,they like aftermarket exhausts, so it doesn't matter if its a crate that rises from the ashes or a shiny new one thats costs to keep it that way.
I preferred to rise to a challenge, and now I have a gorgeous bike, lots an lots of people comment how good it looks for its age....and its good for YCs reputation, (unlike that crate he rides:smt081) so in the end we're all a winner.
In the last two years, its cost me a set of tyres and MOT and tax...guess what every bike needs them at some point, and it costs money:p:santa:
Dave20046
09-03-10, 02:05 PM
I didn't even know yc did it.
It does look like something you'd see in a 10 year old suzuki brouchure though...
dizzyblonde
09-03-10, 02:11 PM
I didn't even know yc did it.
It does look like something you'd see in a 10 year old suzuki brouchure though...
Originally it was supposed to be my mate and custom bike builder Pat, but he had a very big accident, so YC said he'd give it a whirl. It would have cost me more going to Pat too.
Not sure how to read that
A: old and dated
B: Showroom standard
:smt017:santa:
Dave20046
09-03-10, 02:12 PM
Probably B, although a bit of A too...I am a pointy snob afterall these days.
Dicky Ticker
09-03-10, 03:02 PM
Its a ten year old Suzuki SV with sentimental value to you------to a buyer its a bike
and would only pay the going rate.
Milky Bar Kid
09-03-10, 03:56 PM
Its a ten year old Suzuki SV with sentimental value to you------to a buyer its a bike
and would only pay the going rate.
I don't think Dizz is disputing that, she is just saying that that was the bike that she wanted. She didn't want any other bike so she was happy to pay the money to mod it up to a nice standard.
It's like anything that people spend money modding, they are never going to see the return on that but sometimes, someone would rather spend a grand on an old curvy and mod it up costing them a couple of grand than going out and spending 6k on a new bike.
yorkie_chris
09-03-10, 04:01 PM
Spending money on crap bikes is great, means if you crash and completely wreck them you can just swap the trick parts onto another POS :)
dizzyblonde
09-03-10, 05:11 PM
Its a ten year old Suzuki SV with sentimental value to you------to a buyer its a bike
and would only pay the going rate.
You have a point, I can say yes and yes to both. But I'm not going to sell it, so the going rate is almost irrelevant.
Its only relevant to someone who is buying, or indeed an insurance company if they have to pay you for crashing. In that case I suppose they'd be off to a dealer or bike guide to see what their going rates would be....which as I found recently a curvy SV in standard trim in lesser condition than my own was 2k in a stealers.
End of the day I have a bike that no one else has got.....my bike.:smt049
Only the person that owns whatever bike will justify spending certain amounts of money on it.
I don't think Dizz is disputing that, she is just saying that that was the bike that she wanted. She didn't want any other bike so she was happy to pay the money to mod it up to a nice standard.
It's like anything that people spend money modding, they are never going to see the return on that but sometimes, someone would rather spend a grand on an old curvy and mod it up costing them a couple of grand than going out and spending 6k on a new bike.
I was never naive when I took on the big project, I knew it would cost a fortune, but I never intended on selling to buy something new anyway.
I bought another SV for that, and now its finished the job I bought it for, its life with me is coming to an end. I've done practically nothing to it, apart from looking after it, and when its up for sale, whatever I get for it, I will be happy with.
Spending money on crap bikes is great, means if you crash and completely wreck them you can just swap the trick parts onto another POS :)
The trick is not to crash;), no good if your 50p bikes frame is bent, and the insurance company won't give it you back or your Penske shock.
yorkie_chris
09-03-10, 06:19 PM
The trick is not to crash;), no good if your 50p bikes frame is bent, and the insurance company won't give it you back or your Penske shock.
My property, my insurance company cannot decide to keep it as I am not fully comp so would not be making that sort of claim. A 3rd parties insurance would be getting a bill for the value of one "private poor" K1 SV650 and all the trick parts.
Frames are cheap :-)
jacksuzukisv650
09-03-10, 06:29 PM
we all love our sv's but they are what they are and unless you spent aload of cash on them there are very uncomfotable lol i last an hour befour my **** has colapsed .. it is a budget bike designed for begginers and commuting they are one of the best commuting bikes .. end of lol
dizzyblonde
09-03-10, 06:31 PM
My property, my insurance company cannot decide to keep it as I am not fully comp so would not be making that sort of claim.
Doesn't matter if serious, not that we would want any of that:-|
Category A
Vehicle must be crushed.
All of it. May not be resold. Entire motorcycle must be crushed. Severely damaged with no serviceable parts, or already stripped out shell. DVLA require "Notification of Destruction
yorkie_chris
09-03-10, 06:35 PM
I know what category A is.
If it is category A then it must have been written off. A bike can't be written off unless there is a claim.
Read my post!
I must be the only one that finds their SV comfortable! Although I've not done more than 3 hours on it in a row.
Totally bog standard K5 S.
Still, maybe it just shows that it's the only bike I've ever owned :)
yorkie_chris
09-03-10, 06:41 PM
I don't find mine uncomfortable since fitting rearsets and a corbin seat.
I've ridden over 400 miles in a day and while tired I wasn't particularly uncomfortable.
dizzyblonde
09-03-10, 06:43 PM
A little clarity on what you are trying to say would be helpful:confused: .
Not sure we are seeing the same scenario.
shonadoll
09-03-10, 06:45 PM
I found the seat dreadful, much better after the gel seat fitted.
yorkie_chris
09-03-10, 07:27 PM
A little clarity on what you are trying to say would be helpful:confused: .
Not sure we are seeing the same scenario.
Scenario 1:
Ok I crash my bike into a wall while being stupid.
My insurance would pay out for the wall, however since I am not fully comp my insurance has no interest in my bike nor any ownership of it. So it would not get assessed, and if it doesn't get assessed it can't be "cat'ed" as a total loss A B C or D.
Scenario 2:
Car driver crashes into me while being stupid.
Insurance company would assess it, call it a total loss and probably cat B it. If no chance of buying salvage then you argue toss about how much it is worth.
3rd party insurance the other guy has covers your losses.
pegasus
09-03-10, 07:43 PM
Why would they Prob Cat B chris?
Are you suggesting that Cat A is not an option!
Surely they have a duty to the public to remove any dangerous or future hazardous vehicles from active duty....If it were an RTA then surely the police would be involved as well?
yorkie_chris
09-03-10, 07:47 PM
As far as I'm aware it's quite rare to Cat A a bike, because a pile of crushed alloy is worth about £15. Whereas a cat B is worth a few hundred quid to a breaker.
Have a look at what Cat B actually entails, a Cat B bike cannot be used on the road again.
Yeah sure the police would be involved as well, but they'd just have it recovered.
Dave20046
09-03-10, 07:47 PM
Why would they Prob Cat B chris?
Are you suggesting that Cat A is not an option!
Surely they have a duty to the public to remove any dangerous or future hazardous vehicles from active duty....If it were an RTA then surely the police would be involved as well?
Depends, police refused to turn up to my accident. Even if they did turn up they're not gonna be stood about discussing his stupidly expensive shock, they'd more likely be trying to stop myc from hitting him.
pegasus
09-03-10, 07:56 PM
I am only asking because My bike was Cat A and was detained by the police until the assessor deemed it crushed. All while i was still in hospital.
I am quite shocked that the police refused to turn up to your call for assistance Dave, After all arent they there to serve and protect. Sorry to hear they didnt serve you properly.
I cant praise them enough for how they treated me.
Dave20046
09-03-10, 08:34 PM
I am only asking because My bike was Cat A and was detained by the police until the assessor deemed it crushed. All while i was still in hospital.
I am quite shocked that the police refused to turn up to your call for assistance Dave, After all arent they there to serve and protect. Sorry to hear they didnt serve you properly.
I cant praise them enough for how they treated me.
In fairness perhaps it wasn't a priority but they just said
'can you walk?' yep,
'are you blocking the road?' nope
'sorry we won't come out.'
Which ****ed me off as they guys car stunk of weed and he was trying to talk me out of insurance and was very nervous about it as if he didn't have any.
carternd
10-03-10, 12:31 AM
I must be the only one that finds their SV comfortable! Although I've not done more than 3 hours on it in a row.
Totally bog standard K5 S.
Still, maybe it just shows that it's the only bike I've ever owned :)
+1, Now I've grown into mine it's comfortable! The only thing that's comfortable for more than 3 hours straight is a bed.
Top marks those who modify their bikes, rather than just spending out on a flash bike. I need to make some money, so I can pimp my SV!
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