View Full Version : Datatool System 4 won't disarm.
ThEGr33k
06-04-10, 06:50 PM
My Datatool System 4 Red seems so have broken.
The symptoms are:
- Indicators no longer flash (normally would be 2 frashes = armed 1 = unarmed)
- Wont unarm at all. Only way I can is to turn the ignition on and off which sets alarm off, then press fob and it will be unarmed.
- Randomly goes off.
I think its still in warrenty so will see what the crack is with that... Just thought id mention it on here and see if anyone else has a clue what the crack is.
kwak zzr
06-04-10, 06:53 PM
mine did that once but righted its self, try disconnecting the battery and reconnecting.
rotax81
06-04-10, 06:53 PM
rip the danm thing out and bin it.
you can guarantee it will eventually completely pack in and you will be miles from nowhere. sods law.
takes me about 20 mins to rip one out from start to finish and get the bike back to 'normal' :-D
kwak zzr
06-04-10, 06:54 PM
if someone can take my fooooker off they can have it!
Dave20046
06-04-10, 06:54 PM
My Datatool System 4 Red seems so have broken.
The symptoms are:
- Indicators no longer flash (normally would be 2 frashes = armed 1 = unarmed)
- Wont unarm at all. Only way I can is to turn the ignition on and off which sets alarm off, then press fob and it will be unarmed.
- Randomly goes off.
I think its still in warrenty so will see what the crack is with that... Just thought id mention it on here and see if anyone else has a clue what the crack is.
Mine does that after it's been stood, seemed ok after I'd charged the battery.
skidmarx
06-04-10, 07:18 PM
It's a Datatool, you can expect a lot more of this type of thing. I'm not sure how many alarm systems are out there, 5/6 probably, but it seems to me that there are more 'HELP' posts here about datatool than any other. In fact I can't remember any other systems being posted about before. Datatool however seem to be a persitent problem. I've had one....never again. Bin it asap you will save yourself a lot of trouble in the long run imo. Good luck.....
ThEGr33k
06-04-10, 07:19 PM
Thanks for the replies :)
Well I have found a problem but not the cause. The fuse had blown. I replaced it and as soon as I turned the alarm off (which it did but dont again now ->) it blew again.
The only thing I can remotly imagine it being is the indicators that I just put on allowing too much flow. What dont make sense is that they are pretty much the same indicators that were already on... yes that sounds strange but one had blown and the bulbs weld themselves in (they are cheap after markets).
SOOOOOO my new question, what can cause the fuse to go "pop"?
Cheers
You havent got your indicators activated have you?
Like left in the turn left or right position, seems silly but that can cause problems, such as my system 3 flashes the sidelights as i havent got a diode in the circuit
skidmarx
06-04-10, 07:27 PM
Thanks for the replies :)
Well I have found a problem but not the cause. The fuse had blown. I replaced it and as soon as I turned the alarm off (which it did but dont again now ->) it blew again.
The only thing I can remotly imagine it being is the indicators that I just put on allowing too much flow. What dont make sense is that they are pretty much the same indicators that were already on... yes that sounds strange but one had blown and the bulbs weld themselves in (they are cheap after markets).
SOOOOOO my new question, what can cause the fuse to go "pop"?
Cheers
You do realise this will be the start of a whole series of questions don't you:rolleyes: It pains me to see another go through the datatool quagmire!
ThEGr33k
06-04-10, 10:19 PM
Sigh. There aint a great deal I can do. Its not as easy to take out as some of the earlier systems... Ill see what I can find.
First thing to check is with new fuse and no indicators (or at least not the new ones) and see where it goes from there...
ThEGr33k
07-04-10, 06:53 AM
Sent a message off to Datatool asking what can cause the fuse to blow, see if I get a reply back today. If I dont I guess Ill have to ring and see what I can find out.
For now, blast it, public transport :( :( :( :( :(
Sid Squid
07-04-10, 07:26 AM
The indicators didn't flash and the alarm won't disarm or keeps sounding - the ignition controlled live to the alarm, (not the permanent live with it's own fuse), is not present - which is almost certainly a popped fuse.
And despite the recommendations to remove it, (as usual), it's not the alarm that's at fault.
wyrdness
07-04-10, 07:30 AM
Never fit a Datatool alarm to a bike. If you have one, then take it out and smash it.
Let me get this straight; you've had the bike and alarm for several years without problems, you changed the indi's on the bike and now the fuse is blowing? Solution - rip out alarm?
ThEGr33k
07-04-10, 08:03 AM
The indicators didn't flash and the alarm won't disarm or keeps sounding - the ignition controlled live to the alarm, (not the permanent live with it's own fuse), is not present - which is almost certainly a popped fuse.
And despite the recommendations to remove it, (as usual), it's not the alarm that's at fault.
So what you saying Sid? That its not getting power from the ignition? Strange thing is it does get louder with the ignition on, so I presume is somehow getting more power from that.
Do you know where in the wiring loom the fuse sits? N' can new indicators cause the fuse to pop? If guess maybe because obviously it switches them and I guess the power goes through that fuse, which must mean my new indicators total pull must be more than 10a?
So tonight, mission is, 1) new mini 10a blade fuses 2) test without indicators 3) depending on number 2 scratch head and get more new indicators with less power/ have a paddy because it dont make sense and I'll have to use Public transport... again! :(
Let me get this straight; you've had the bike and alarm for several years without problems, you changed the indi's on the bike and now the fuse is blowing? Solution - rip out alarm?
Well just over 2 years i've had it. Upto now not missed a beat really. heh. But yea recommendations on rip out do seem a little extreme.
ThEGr33k
07-04-10, 09:11 AM
Well, I got to say their technical support is spot on!
Sent a message before I found the fuse was blown (if id have known that id have not bothered...) and they phoned me this morning... Basically just said its what I/we thought it was with the indicators.
Nice to know that it is apparently a pretty common issue.
Sid Squid
07-04-10, 09:35 AM
Never fit a Datatool alarm to a bike. If you have one, then take it out and smash it.
Ridiculous.
wyrdness
07-04-10, 09:49 AM
Ridiculous.
Ever tried to work on a bike in a small garage when its datatool alarm is in service mode? It drives you insane within a few minutes.
Bluefish
07-04-10, 09:52 AM
I went for gap insurance instead of an alarm after hearing loads of horror stories, a d mainly as they obviously run the battery flat a lot quicker. Glad you got it sorted now and it wasn't the alarms fault.
I went for gap insurance instead of an alarm after hearing loads of horror stories, a d mainly as they obviously run the battery flat a lot quicker.
GAP insurance doesn't replace an alarm :confused:
AndyBrad
07-04-10, 10:43 AM
Aye amazing these things that reduce your insurance!!
yorkie_chris
07-04-10, 11:09 AM
Yeah £200 alarm makes your insurance £10 cheaper if that.
I haven't come across an alarm yet that wasn't an annoyance when working on things.
AndyBrad
07-04-10, 11:38 AM
Yeah £200 alarm makes your insurance £10 cheaper if that.
I haven't come across an alarm yet that wasn't an annoyance when working on things.
give over im sure i remember you saying
" i would love an alarm like yours on my sv"
as it beeped every 15 seconds :)
ThEGr33k
07-04-10, 12:06 PM
Beeped? Mine dont beep when its in service mode. Id say that they listened to all the moaning when they made the system 4. To be honest its not bad at all. You can change a LOT of settings, to how many knocks before alarm goes off, if it beeps, what alarm sound (8 to choose from apparently) and a lot of other stuff. Also when you put it in service mode it shuts up.
Mind, could still get annoying if you are turning the ignition off and on a lot...
AndyBrad
07-04-10, 12:11 PM
Sounds good then! Thats the only issue i have with mine (s3) appart from that till it strands me its great
ThEGr33k
07-04-10, 07:52 PM
Right, tested with the indicators off. Seems to be sorted. I can only guess that the new indicators pull too much power, and blows the 10A fuse. Gutted cos they would have been good being bright.
Oh well... Just happy to know! :)
Sid Squid
07-04-10, 08:06 PM
Right, tested with the indicators off. Seems to be sorted. I can only guess that the new indicators pull too much power, and blows the 10A fuse. Gutted cos they would have been good being bright.
Oh well... Just happy to know! :)
Use the present indicator connections to fire a relay - low current draw across the exisiting system & nice bright indicators!
Use the present indicator connections to fire a relay - low current draw across the exisiting system & nice bright indicators!
^^what he said^^
but secretly would still smash the alarm... sshhh dont tell the squid i said that lol
Bluefish
07-04-10, 08:27 PM
GAP insurance doesn't replace an alarm :confused:
no it replaces your bike, wich an alarm don't :-D
or put a diod in to stop it back feeding
ThEGr33k
07-04-10, 10:32 PM
Use the present indicator connections to fire a relay - low current draw across the exisiting system & nice bright indicators!
Sounds like an idea :)
Out of interest though where should I power the lights from? Straight off of the battery or?
Sid Squid
08-04-10, 08:11 AM
Sounds like an idea :)
Out of interest though where should I power the lights from? Straight off of the battery or?
Yes, or whatever convenient battery live is easiest, the live side of the starter solenoid is a common place so you don't need to disturb the wiring when attending to the battery.
You'll need two relays of course, one each for left and right. One terminal of the switch contacts, (30 or 87 on a DIN marked relay), goes to a permanent live, (fused of course, and with the fuse as close to the source as possible), and the other, (87, 30), into the indicator wiring system. Either 85 and 86 go to the indicator output from the alarm and the other to neutral, (earth). Probably a good idea to use a quench diode across the coil in case of inductor spikes - don't know the internals of the System 4, and I'd be surprised if it were susceptible but diodes are cheap insurance.
DIN: 85, 86; winding. 30; wiper. 87; NO. 87a; NC.
ThEGr33k
08-04-10, 01:40 PM
Hmph, well seems I shouldnt need the relay after all but I might do it in the future just for the better performance...
It turns out I bought indicators that should only be put in one way. Sigh. Oh well working now after 3 Fuses so happy. Just have to remember if I need to do anything with them again.
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