My mate jailed

[Owenski]

MissOwenski grew up in Kenya so Im quite aware of the miss-trust between members of other african countries and their state.
So I can belive they'd feel more secure with it in the garden than in the bank.
ANd if you do the maths then £700,000.00 in 30years thats around £20,000.00 proffit so its not terriblely unrealistic. He admitted to the charges which is respectable, and we'd normally condone that honesty but I think there is more to this than meets the eye. £20,000 profit a year from running a chippy is a hell of a lot. I am defo in the wrong game lol.

TW - sorry its a friend of yours who got busted, im quite impressed your thinking to offer to run the chippy. They must be brilliant its almost worhty of a trip over to try them and pay you and the Preston a visit.

If only i knew he kept wads of cash in the bushes of the back garden :( My thoughts exsactly!

I was thinking the same thing. I couldn't imagine leaving a spare pair of used undies under the bushes of fear they'd go missing! Pikeys round here nicked the rusty golf clubs I had at the side of the house, if I went to a bush with nearly 3/4 of a million I'd expect to find one of them laid under there waiting with open arms.

Why should I work so hard and then pay tax for people like him who can not be bothered ......... I hope they give him a tax bill of 700k.. I think they should give him the bill, they should allow him to keep the money pending deduction of what the annual equivelent salaray tax would have been.... They should also deport him I agree with 99% of what Husky has said, I welcome foriegn workers but **** on my doorstep and you'll feel the big Yorkshire Boot up your cheeky ass.

Even the details of the article show that he was doing more than that...

He was convicted of two money laundering offences

Money laundering is certainly not one guy, totally innocent, forgetting to pay his tax bill+1 if you get away with one crime, you'll try the next one up the list... he got far enough up the list to earn 2.5yrs.

Come around here and you'd see we're quite happy to take the p*ss out of each other, ourselves, the less fortunate, the more fortunate, the disabled, those unable to defend themselves, any contentious subject of poor taste and anyone else I forgot, with absolutely no regard to their human rights or the boundaries of good taste.
Oh I love the defenceless, they're such easy targets. Thats the problem with the rest of the UK... they dont spend enough time in Yorkshire learning what proper banter is.

[Razor]

can't do the time, don't do the crime

[maviczap]

slight derail. what happens if a member of the public has tens thou under the mattress and the police knock on the door and ask where they got it. even though they have been saving it for years and has already been taxed? is it up to the individual to prove where they got it? if so is the money seized till owner can prove ownership?

Yes, is the easy answer to this, the burden of proof is on the Indiviual (not the Police) to prove its theirs by legitimate means

[-Ralph-]

I doubt a career criminal with that sort of money would work 12 hour days behind a chip fryer

Unless the chip fryer was just a cover for his real career, where his average sale was a damn sight more than a fiver, and chips weren't the only thing he was handing out to his "punters" wrapped in paper. Then there would be much more incentive to stand behind a chip fryer looking innocent.

And if you do the maths then £700,000.00 in 30years thats around £20,000.00 proffit

30 years ago a cone of chips cost 20p, and the profit from a chip shop probably ran into a couple of thousand pounds a year. Your "maths" assumes he has been saving for 30 years and has never spent a penny of it. Even if he has saved for 10 years without spending anything, then he's stashed £70k a year. That kind of spare cash doesn't come out of avoiding income tax on a chip shop.

[tigersaw]

Bank notes are withdrawn and re-issued every x years, only recently older £20 notes were withdrawn, so none of thsi money would stretch back 30 years.
Also, other reports show the raids were done in April 2008 - so has he been on remand all this time, has he even been running the chippy for years?

[timwilky]

No he has not been on remand. He has been frying chips until last week

[Bluefish]

Bank notes are withdrawn and re-issued every x years, only recently older £20 notes were withdrawn, so none of thsi money would stretch back 30 years.
Also, other reports show the raids were done in April 2008 - so has he been on remand all this time, has he even been running the chippy for years?


Lol, 700k of worthless notes :rolleyes:

[Owenski]

30 years ago a cone of chips cost 20p, and the profit from a chip shop probably ran into a couple of thousand pounds a year. Your "maths" assumes he has been saving for 30 years and has never spent a penny of it. Even if he has saved for 10 years without spending anything, then he's stashed £70k a year. That kind of spare cash doesn't come out of avoiding income tax on a chip shop.
Yeah I was assuming a general trend in his finances over the 30 years he's been a resident but because i know no different I was trying to give the bloke the benifit of the doubt. You of all people mate considering the recent embelshed accusations you were victim to, would have thought would have known not to take the word of the authorities as written in the best light.
Im not excusing the guy by anymeans, he's a crook and he's been caught but these sorts of situations gererally get poorly reported on as most people would love to see an example made of him. Thats why the sentance following the one you quoted was key to seeing the sarcasm in my statement. I know its not easy to see when all you've got is the text but the "im in the wrong game" was to be taken with a pinch of salt (and viniger in this case). By £20k proffit would have been better worded as £20k he could afford to put to one side. So after everything he still managed to on average put away £1800 a month so agreed you cant clear that kind of cash just selling fish and chips. I'd never hint at drugs because thats a serious (and unfounded) accusation and tim did say he was a sucessful business man having sold off other business's recently. Clearly a dodgy bugger too lol your maths on it been aquired within the last 10years is more realistic by a million percent but im a soft touch and see most people with a halo despite the pitchfork they're holding lol.

Question to the masses; do you see chippy blokes crime worse than those who cheat the benifits system of similar amounts over the course of 30years? We hear of it all too often people clearing more than £20k a year in benifit they shouldnt be claiming I know they're not stashing it under bushes etc but I see that as a million times worse, and they never do 2.5 years for it.

[Bluefish]

no the benifit scum* get to pay it back at a fiver a week. scum*= those that cheat/lie and dishonestly claim benifits.

[-Ralph-]

Being accused of something by a member of the public, and having a inexperienced copper get over zealous, though very unpleasant, is entirely different to being convicted of money laundering by a crown court. One is 'alleged' the other is deemed to have been 'proven', not infallible I know, but in this case I'm much more inclined to believe the authorities. My case would never have stood up in a crown court, never mind have a solicitor advising me to go into court pleading guilty.

Money laundering involves a chain, it is basically the receiving of proceeds of a criminal activity, and processing it over time such that it can get back into the original criminals bank account, and appear as though it has come from a legitimate source. I'm not saying this man was guilty of any of these things, he may only have handled the cash, done the transactions, and taken a cut, but that chain has a source, could be drugs, could be prostitution, etc, etc. So, yes, although benefit thieves are also scum, I do regard somebody who has been convicted of money laundering as a more serious criminal. Money laundering also means that cash is moving all the time, so it's not 30 years worth, or even 10 years worth of cash he had stashed, money comes in, money goes out, constant flow. £700k was just what was "in stock" on the day he was raided.

[Balky001]

Reading this thread has made me hungry!

The Money Laundering charge would include tax evasion and no doubt selling the fags as is a proceed of smuggling. Selling drugs is another level and he would be putting more away than that I'd imagine

TW, sorry to hear about your mate getting time but only because he is your mate and you obviously have time for him. Businesses that play by the book are greatly disadvantaged by those that avoid tax and don't need to borrow. It's not a victimless crime and it's not the Gov't that's losing out, it is us.

Nobody likes paying tax but breaking the law just because you don't like it isn't really reasonable. I hope the chippy stays open and he can come back to a business and run it properly in future

[-Ralph-]

Just I used to know a chippy that did sell drugs wrapped up with the chips, and it gave them lots of reason to stand behind the fryer for 12 hours a day. A guy I lived next door to used to traffic them in large quantities, packed into the crevices of used cars, and had a used car business as a cover.

I was just playing devils advocate with Tim, rather than seriously suggesting that's what he was actually doing, and just demonstrating that frying chips may not be the only reason to stand behind a counter all day.

That said, do you really think that somebody that is convicted of burglary has never committed any other type of crime in his life? Just because somebody wasn't caught, or the police couldn't prove it, doesn't mean that A N OTHER criminal was doing it.

[Biker Biggles]

I bet he exceeded the speed limit and had bad thoughts as well.
Bl00dy criminals.They get everywhere you know.

[Balky001]

That said, do you really think that somebody that is convicted of burglary has never committed any other type of crime in his life? Just because somebody wasn't caught, or the police couldn't prove it, doesn't mean that A N OTHER criminal was doing it.

Yes, career criminals sometimes specialise but I agree, many bad people are just scumbags and will get involved in anything.