Mac vs. PC

[allantheboss]

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[SoulKiss]

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[allantheboss]

^^ Sick! Haha.. so true

[ThEGr33k]

ha ha ha.

I love the mac vs PC thing. Ive discovered this;

Gamer = PC
None gamer = PC
None gamer with too much money or too much sense of style = Mac

This doesnt include the console, and anyone who says PC gaming is too expensive needs to re learn maths tbh. Console (inc over priced games, PC games are about 33% cheaper on release) + cheap pc (for internet and office type stuff) = Gaming PC (which does it all), Or MAC + Console = top of the range Gaming PC...

Simple.

[benji106]

This doesnt include the console, and anyone who says PC gaming is too expensive needs to re learn maths tbh. Console (inc over priced games, PC games are about 33% cheaper on release) + cheap pc (for internet and office type stuff) = Gaming PC (which does it all), Or MAC + Console = top of the range Gaming PC...

Simple.


I get what your saying, and I like my PC's, but Im also a big fan of consoles. I have a basic media pc for internet, films etc. and an xbox 360 for gaming. probably could have bought a decent gaming rig for what I have spent, but personally I prefer playing games on the xbox so thats where my money went.

[timwilky]

I don't do games, Nor have I ever used or seen a mac.

I just want processors that give me ummph and an operating system that works.

So here I am sat at a screen having pulled my hair out having been told to port a C application to windows to discover windows does not support fork or any of the IPC API functionality. So off to try cygwin for a quick and dirty fix.


Agghhh. Why cannot the world be linux where an app will run under most banners.

and my OS's go in order

GEC OS4000, Primeos, OS9, RT11, RTX, VMS, SUNoS, Solaris, Linux and then windoze variants. Windoze just does not make sense to me. so to answer the question MAC vs PC? Definitely a PC but with a proper OS. I like to be able to tell it what I want it to do. Not prat about with a window/mouse when I can simply type a command.

[beabert]

This is why i use windows and not linux

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b177/dansarchive/linuxvswindows.jpg

[wyrdness]

So here I am sat at a screen having pulled my hair out having been told to port a C application to windows to discover windows does not support fork or any of the IPC API functionality. So off to try cygwin for a quick and dirty fix.

You'd like Mac then Tim.

root# man fork

FORK(2) BSD System Calls Manual FORK(2)

NAME
fork -- create a new process

SYNOPSIS
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <unistd.h>

pid_t
fork(void);

[jonny.boyd]

ha ha ha.

I love the mac vs PC thing. Ive discovered this;

Gamer = PC
None gamer = PC
None gamer with too much money or too much sense of style = Mac

This doesnt include the console, and anyone who says PC gaming is too expensive needs to re learn maths tbh. Console (inc over priced games, PC games are about 33% cheaper on release) + cheap pc (for internet and office type stuff) = Gaming PC (which does it all), Or MAC + Console = top of the range Gaming PC...

Simple.

I completely disagree, I am currently studying for a degree in Audio Recording technology, for this subject (and most media subjects) and for working in that industry mac is really the way forward. Lots of the audio software I use is aimed to be used on Mac OS, also being able to bootcamp your hard-drive allows running your mac in Windows aswell just incase there's a little bit of software I need that only ever made it to Windows.

Yes they may be expensive, but they were initially made for the media industries, and due to performance and functionality it is specialised to the reasons I use it for. Beside if you had the money.... admit it, you'd buy one.... :p

[beabert]

I completely disagree, I am currently studying for a degree in Audio Recording technology, for this subject (and most media subjects) and for working in that industry mac is really the way forward. Lots of the audio software I use is aimed to be used on Mac OS, also being able to bootcamp your hard-drive allows running your mac in Windows aswell just incase there's a little bit of software I need that only ever made it to Windows.

Yes they may be expensive, but they were initially made for the media industries, and due to performance and functionality it is specialised to the reasons I use it for. Beside if you had the money.... admit it, you'd buy one.... :p

Is the software mac only?

Not sure where your coming from on performance, as a PC can be made to match or exceed a given Macs performance. Performace in what aspect?

No, i personally wouldn't buy one, and that is for the same reason i dont buy alot of biker related crap, its overpriced with out justification.

[allantheboss]

I know an uber-comp dude; my facebook status was "Top-range Macbook Pro - £1899
Equivilently-attributed PC - £479" (Based on RAM, HDD size, screen size, basics basically)

And the convo continued like this:

Him (Connel) "Not, exactly, Macbooks do have higher build qality and use S-IPS Panels which are much more expensive. Also the min CPUs are 550m's which are far more expensive than a 430m.....All in all it should probably cost about 1000 at MOST with all the stuff they have inside and maybe slightly more because of Unibody.....but it is definitely £600 overpriced.......also they do have 95Wh Batterys which are very large.....
I Agree though.....macs are overpriced and pretty **** unless you run Windows on them, except on most of them if you do....the headphone port doesnt even work!"

Me: "Connel = Computer god. Bow down Macbookers"

Him: "Thank you..... OS X can't compare to windows 7 for compatibility....., can't do gui in C easily on a mac. Lets not even start about the upgrades...... I honestly don't understand how they got popular recently. They are still over priced ... My guess is iPhone fan boys bigging them up!"






So, in terms of money and compatibility... it's a simple question: "Would you rather have an extra £1000, or not have £1000"

[no_akira]

no_akira@linux4ever:~$ sudo convert beabert 2 linux

As much as I love linux it does sometimes make you want to hang yourself..... I've been waiting twelve years for it, i'm a person with alot of patience.
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But the latest Ubuntu 10.10 is nice and slick with the slickest software installer interface "Ubuntu Software Centre" so far.

Its less of a processor / memory hog than Windows 7 and no viruses or malware. It just more flexible and its FREE FREE FREE.

Also commands don't change much in Linux, you only need to learn it once.

[ThEGr33k]

Is the software mac only?

Not sure where your coming from on performance, as a PC can be made to match or exceed a given Macs performance. Performace in what aspect?

No, i personally wouldn't buy one, and that is for the same reason i dont buy alot of biker related crap, its overpriced with out justification.


You read my mind.

For the same price people spend on a Mac I could build a PC to blow it out of the water... People always compare £1500 Mac to a £500 PC and then wonder why the Mac is the nicer to use... pfff.

Id imagine most audio is Hardware based still these days, maybe looking into a top of the line sound card you could make a much better PC for your needs.

There are 3 main reasons I wont get a mac;

1. I don't want to be associated to them, the majority of people I know who use them are cretins who need the added simplicity and I don't want to be put in that group.

2. Lack of support for the software I like, Games.

3. Over priced.

[beabert]

no_akira@linux4ever:~$ sudo convert beabert 2 linux

As much as I love linux it does sometimes make you want to hang yourself..... I've been waiting twelve years for it, i'm a person with alot of patience.
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But the latest Ubuntu 10.10 is nice and slick with the slickest software installer interface "Ubuntu Software Centre" so far.

Its less of a processor / memory hog than Windows 7 and no viruses or malware. It just more flexible and its FREE FREE FREE.

Also commands don't change much in Linux, you only need to learn it once.

You see people say that about ubuntu, but that is not my experience, it works fairly well, but if you do run into a problem, it is such a painful experience to find the solution!

It runs dog slow on a few computers i have installed it on; and for no obvious reason. I just end up back on windows as it just works and im just not in the mood to **** about.

I fully understand linux has its uses for webservers etc, but as an everyday operating system, i still believe its way off.

Dont start me on commands, i like a gui, yes it can be faster to use commands, but its not user friendly if you dont know them, you cant guess.



You read my mind.

For the same price people spend on a Mac I could build a PC to blow it out of the water... People always compare £1500 Mac to a £500 PC and then wonder why the Mac is the nicer to use... pfff.

Id imagine most audio is Hardware based still these days, maybe looking into a top of the line sound card you could make a much better PC for your needs.

There are 3 main reasons I wont get a mac;

1. I don't want to be associated to them, the majority of people I know who use them are cretins who need the added simplicity and I don't want to be put in that group.

2. Lack of support for the software I like, Games.

3. Over priced.

LOL at cretins.

[ThEGr33k]

Just thought id add something.

The laptop that my brother bought came with Vista, not my favourite OS... well I really dont like it (hence my gaming PC went XP --> 7 with no Vista. Anyhow, it eventually started running worse than a Dog, though I still think a lot of that was down to the bloat ware crap that came with it, something that btw I think has a lot to answer for, the majority of issues with new PC's is down to this bloat crap, fresh OS installs rarely go wrong on their own. Soooo thought id give Ubuntu a go, and tbh I dont know if we will bother going back to MS on that computer.

Ubuntu runs VERY quick, starts up fully in about 15 seconds, shuts down in about 1 and runs very smooth. All it gets used for is the odd office doc and 99% surfing the web. Really cant complain and as a free product with good support you cant go wrong.

So now you know im not a MS fan boi and have reasonably balanced opinions, the fact still remains that ultimately Mac's are over priced and over hyped.

Oh and I do work in IT, so im reasonably well educated in these things.

[beabert]

Just thought id add something.

The laptop that my brother bought came with Vista, not my favourite OS... well I really dont like it (hence my gaming PC went XP --> 7 with no Vista. Anyhow, it eventually started running worse than a Dog, though I still think a lot of that was down to the bloat ware crap that came with it, something that btw I think has a lot to answer for, the majority of issues with new PC's is down to this bloat crap, fresh OS installs rarely go wrong on their own. Soooo thought id give Ubuntu a go, and tbh I dont know if we will bother going back to MS on that computer.

Ubuntu runs VERY quick, starts up fully in about 15 seconds, shuts down in about 1 and runs very smooth. All it gets used for is the odd office doc and 99% surfing the web. Really cant complain and as a free product with good support you cant go wrong.

So now you know im not a MS fan boi and have reasonably balanced opinions, the fact still remains that ultimately Mac's are over priced and over hyped.

Oh and I do work in IT, so im reasonably well educated in these things.

Same XP to 7. Dont get me started on Vista lol.

[no_akira]

I'll be the first to admit that where linux falls down is the quality of its multimedia codecs / drivers. It will play every type of multimedia file you throw at it and more with a little bit of tinkering. But for example the quality never seems to be up to the commercial vendors apps (windows) obviously. But I can live with that.

But you should give Ubuntu 10.10 amd64 bit OS a go, for everyday computing its there, its been there since 9.10 IMO.

It wont appeal to a PC gamer, end of story, just accept it and move on.

I like the way it only rarely wants to do a restart on software installations / upgrades. I like the way it acknowledges and plays nicely with other OS's doesn't just try to pretend they don't exist.
Seriously the Ubuntu / Canonical changed the whole Linux landscape. Its a whole world away from some of the other distros.

Ubuntu is "XP Pro SP3" on steriods, its not trying to be Vista / Windows 7 because I think ultimately its what alot of people are after, a secure XP.

[kaivalagi]

You'd like Mac then Tim.

Fork works because MacOS was built on the back of a Unix/BSD platform (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Unix_history-simple.png)

I'm not really into Apple and everything it stands for, well over priced electronics, restrictive systems etc etc...

Give me Linux any day of the week, if you know what you are doing it's great and not at all as beabert portrays...I'll happily run on the same hardware for the next 5 years atleast and be able to do everything I want, oh and I don't play games...except on the Wii with my son....

For what it's worth I run ArchLinux (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux) as a base OS on my desktop, various VM's of Ubuntu desktop/server and yes Win7 (for VS2008 development)

[beabert]

Fork works because MacOS was built on the back of a Unix/BSD platform (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Unix_history-simple.png)

I'm not really into Apple and everything it stands for, well over priced electronics, restrictive systems etc etc...

Give me Linux any day of the week, if you know what you are doing it's great and not at all as beabert portrays...



Its exactly how i portray, minus the image. Its free though, a big positive.

[collis]

All I have to say on the matter is:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:PQ25yuAUbqkLeM:http://mundomac.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/apple_vs_orange.jpg&t=1
http://alpha.akihabaranews.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2/62/15762//4.jpg

Can you spot the difference?

A Mac cannot be compared to a PC as the technology inside is not comparable, a PC has different components and workings to that of a mac wich is more like a laptop.
What makes a Mac regardless is the OS installed, so install Ubuntu 10.10 on a PC and a Mac and then tell me which is better.

[kaivalagi]

Its exactly how i portray, minus the image.

For the most part, but I do believe Linux is ready for the desktop...certainly for me...and I'd stretch to say for others too

People who know what they're doing or atleast are comfortable with Windows think it is a great desktop, and those that don't know or aren't comfortable with it seek advice...Why is it be any different with Linux?

It's just that the OS is different and people don't like change...running and maintaining Ubuntu IMO is easier than Windows...all software is installed in a controlled manner from the repositories and the OS updates generally work very well especially if sticking with an long term support version (LTS)...if advice is needed there are tons of community driven forums out there which can help and be supportive

It's just different, but definitely mature enough now with the ease at which Ubuntu provides a Linux system and if you out grow Ubuntu there are always other derivatives which may better suit. For example I wanted an OS with a rolling release cycle rather than a 6 monthly bang so switched to Arch and never looked back, but I wouldn't recommend it to a Linux newbie, it requires some thought.

The trouble comes with hardware incompatibilities and hardware vendors not supplying drivers for Linux...this is a supplier problem that could be remedied very easily or overcome by a tech savvy user who buys the right hardware based on compatibility lists.

A Mac cannot be compared to a PC as the technology inside is not comparable, a PC has different components and workings to that of a mac wich is more like a laptop.
What makes a Mac regardless is the OS installed, so install Ubuntu 10.10 on a PC and a Mac and then tell me which is better.
I wouldn't choose either...but if you're comparing MacOS on mac hardware versus a Linux derivative and hardware of my choosing that are of equal cost....well I'll take the Linux route thanks so can spend all the cash on the hardware :p

Ready for the desktop IMO (also running Windows 7 in a VM for Visual Studio 2008 dev), with the famous compiz desktop cube turned cylinder for virtual desktops across 2 screens in my case:
http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy91/kaivalagi/Scratch/th_20101102-092634-thumb.jpg (http://s781.photobucket.com/albums/yy91/kaivalagi/Scratch/?action=view&current=20101102-092634-thumb.jpg)

[beabert]

The trouble comes with hardware incompatibilities and hardware vendors not supplying drivers for Linux...this is a supplier problem that could be remedied very easily or overcome by a tech savvy user who buys the right hardware based on compatibility lists.


Yes I agree, it may not be linuxs fault but its a huge obstacle. If you go out and buy parts specifically for use with linux then sure it is a much more pleasant experience, but the money saved on the OS is use on new hardware lol.

My problems usually arose from the incompatibilities. The problem is linux doesn't try to inform you, it would just fail, half work or display some gobbledygook. Just go look at the support forums, there are even long term linux user moaning about the recent versions of ubuntu.

I know i could resolve some of the issues after hours of messing, but like 99% of computer users i cant be arsed anymore, i used too like the challenge.



Anyway fed up of debating the issues with linux users, so...

Linux is great, never had any problems with it, it makes a great general home operating system for all, it just works.....

[SoulKiss]

This is why i use windows and not linux

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b177/dansarchive/linuxvswindows.jpg

Erm...

more like

soulkiss@ubuntubox:~$ sudo aptitude install nginx

*loads of text*

This will take 7Mb of space, do you want to continue (Y/n):

Ok all done

Not as funny tho...

[SoulKiss]

A Mac cannot be compared to a PC as the technology inside is not comparable, a PC has different components and workings to that of a mac wich is more like a laptop.
What makes a Mac regardless is the OS installed, so install Ubuntu 10.10 on a PC and a Mac and then tell me which is better.

Maybe once upon a time this was true, but Macs use Intel CPU's, NVIDIA GFX and are essentially just a PC with an Apple logo on the box instead of Dell...

Ubuntu will run equally well on either machine, to the point you will wonder why you spent 3 times as much on the Apple hardware, until you get distracted by the "shiny"...

[metalangel]

*snore*

I like my MacBook. I do most things in OSX, and then boot into Windows 7 for ArmA2 when I get bored.

If you're happy with your Windows-only PC, that's great. I don't care.

[Swin]

Linux at work, Windows at home - and if I had a need for a laptop I'd consider a macbook too.

I don't care either :)

[allantheboss]

Well, I think blah blah Linux blah blah Mac blah blah blah PC.

[startrek.steve]

This is why i use windows and not linux



Windows:
Install and run virus.... OK done!

Linux:
Install and run virus... who are you? - a virus
no go away!

[wyrdness]

Maybe once upon a time this was true, but Macs use Intel CPU's, NVIDIA GFX and are essentially just a PC with an Apple logo on the box instead of Dell...

Ubuntu will run equally well on either machine, to the point you will wonder why you spent 3 times as much on the Apple hardware, until you get distracted by the "shiny"...

I don't particularly want shiny expensive hardware, but I defected from Linux to OS X as it's certainly the best desktop *nix. I own macs, but the machine I'm using most of the time now is a 200-quid Dell Mini 10 netbook, running OS X Snow Leopard. However, the Dell's screen, keyboard and trackpad are all rubbish (& it's slow) so I'm thinking about going back to an Apple laptop again.

Oh, and software installation on OS X:- Drag application icon into applications folder. That's it, for the majority of apps.

[andrewsmith]

I changed to Mac after having to reset my XP laptop every 6 months for remove all the crap that can't be removed any other way.
I know of IT technicians that recommend a reset every 6 to 12 months on windows.

Vista was sh***, 7RC was good as it was using XP Pro as the backbone. The two window 7 machines I've used are actually worse than Vista

[jambo]

My sister's got a MacBook Pro, it's lovely and I'd be very happy to own and covet the shiney shiney. However, given the work I do I'm happy on most OS's going.

Windows 7 works very well, use it at work, it's been very stable and quick.

Ubuntu at home as XP's starting to get somewhat long in the tooth and I haven't felt like paying for vista/7. My machine was installed over 2 years ago and still runs very well, having had 3 or so distribution upgrades along the way :) The laptop's too old for gaming anyway, so for the web and stuff it's perfect.

Jambo

[hindle8907]

Im a PC, don't mind the odd splash of Linux but tend not to use it unless I have to use certain a Program.
The Macs are expensive they look nice but I would rather spend all money on a PC Rig. and stick 64bit Windows 7 on it.
On the other hand though some may disagree i love the i-devices the IOS runns really well the devices are slick and the content is what wins it over for me both from apple and 3rd parties. there not to everyone's taste and for the end users with no tech knowledge they are some really stupid restrictions.

EG you have to use itunes to sync music/photos ect instead of having a drag and drop.
No Flash,
Only use apple formats.
text Message tones FFS!


well I dont use itunes to put muisc/photos ect ect on my iphone4 or ipad. i just drag and drop as a mass storage device into the correct directory like any other media device.

I can run flash via some cracked code/software thanks to the Dev's. (allthough most sites are coveting to HTML5 now anyway)

I can play .avi's .MKV's MP3's ect ect ect

I can change any system sound on the device from lock sound to dial tones. I can create my own system sounds and import them into the os.

if you have the know how you can totally customise/optimize and remove all the daft restrictions within the iOS on the i-device range.

but yeah without jail breaking ect ect i don't think I would buy any of apples products as they are to restrictive but apple they know what they are doing and they are very clever.

normal end users pay out the arise for apps ect ect and all apple this and that.
but they also always leave a small exploit me thinks so us techy users still buy the devices as we know we can make them our own and run/customise/install what we want.

[flymo]

I know of IT technicians that recommend a reset every 6 to 12 months on windows. These will be the ones that either cant be ar$ed explaining or dont know how to properly manage or troubleshoot performance problems. Macs and Linux boxes can suffer from exactly the same.

Vista was sh***, 7RC was good as it was using XP Pro as the backbone. The two window 7 machines I've used are actually worse than Vista
Vista wasn't great, I'll give you that, but it was a problem mainly attributed to low spec hardware, Vista simply needed more oomph to make it sing. On a decent hardware spec it worked just fine.

Windows 7 is excellent, if they are running worse than Vista have you considered why? It certainly isnt the OS.

[L3nny]

I changed to Mac after having to reset my XP laptop every 6 months for remove all the crap that can't be removed any other way.
I know of IT technicians that recommend a reset every 6 to 12 months on windows.

Vista was sh***, 7RC was good as it was using XP Pro as the backbone. The two window 7 machines I've used are actually worse than Vista

1. It is you that installs the sh*** in the first place. Turn off automatic updates and when that pop up appears saying you need to scan your system, just ignore it.

2. Re-installing windows is not the only way to remove it but it is the quickest.

We have XP workstations at work that are happily running as fast as the day they were first installed 8 years ago.

There will never be a winner in the MAC vs PC debate because some people like shiney shiney of a Mac and think it's worth the extra money

Arguing about it is like taking part in the special olympics.

[flymo]

normal end users pay out....

you mean the honest ones that actually pay for the software? Nothing wrong with that in my view.

[flymo]

Arguing about it is like taking part in the special olympics.

I think a statement like that is out of order.

[SoulKiss]

but it was a problem mainly attributed to low spec hardware,

total rubbish.

The problem with Vista is the Security model they originally came up with relied on WinFS (a new filesystem that had a database for the front end rather than looking up files).

What this meant was that they could then implement more strict checking on who/what was allowed to access files, as database lookups are fast.

MS then decided to ditch WinFS as they couldn't get it ready for Vista's launch date, so stuck with NTFS, but without the caching of file permission data in a database, file access becomes slow as the OS has to open the file to check that the user requesting the file has permissions to open the file, then open the file if the user is allowed access. (sounds barmy, but the 1st open is done by the System, which has permission to open any file.)

Its THIS that slows Vista down.

[flymo]

total rubbish.

The problem with Vista is the Security model they originally came up with relied on WinFS (a new filesystem that had a database for the front end rather than looking up files).

What this meant was that they could then implement more strict checking on who/what was allowed to access files, as database lookups are fast.

MS then decided to ditch WinFS as they couldn't get it ready for Vista's launch date, so stuck with NTFS, but without the caching of file permission data in a database, file access becomes slow as the OS has to open the file to check that the user requesting the file has permissions to open the file, then open the file if the user is allowed access. (sounds barmy, but the 1st open is done by the System, which has permission to open any file.)

Its THIS that slows Vista down.

well we somehow managed to run 10,000 of these without any bother. Also, we performance bench mark any new hardare OS combinations we introduce to our 150,000 client environment. Looking back at the Vista figures they were all marginally quicker than XP, not by a huge amount but they certainly were not poor.

[ThEGr33k]

So they sorted that for Windows 7?

[hindle8907]

you mean the honest ones that actually pay for the software? Nothing wrong with that in my view.

no your rightthere is alot good content on the app store but there is all so a lot of crap on the app store too and there not cheap especially ipad apps,
If i download an app make use of it I will go and buy the app via itunes so I get all the updates and to support the developer.

[flymo]

no your rightthere is alot good content on the app store but there is all so a lot of crap on the app store too and there not cheap especially ipad apps,
If i download an app make use of it I will go and buy the app via itunes so I get all the updates and to support the developer.

Imagine trying that in your local shop. Just walk out with something, then go back to pay for it if you like it :-)

[hindle8907]

if only :)

[jambo]

Turn off automatic updates and when that pop up appears saying you need to scan your system, just ignore it.

I think you'll find that most people do not suggest running an un-patched OS of any varient, sever, desktop, *nix or windows...

Jambo

[ThEGr33k]

Its funny, but pretty much everything Hindle wrote about there are things you can do with Android from the off... Can even test an app, you can return within 24 hours after purchase.

Oh the freedom.

But that is for another argument...

[hindle8907]

^^ i know that greek but i enjoy it doing all the cracks n stuff. and plus when i walk upto other people and they have got crappy standard ipads/phones/pods . pull mine out and they are like WTF how did you get it to look like that n do that and this n that n blah blah blah.
with android anyone can do it so doesn't make your device unique from the rest ;)

I dont think there is much argument they are both excellent OS's and pieces of kit. it just comes down to which one you pref. but I bet there isn't many things you android can do that my iphone can't.

how are the games on the android market these days are there more big developers joining in yet?

[L3nny]

I think you'll find that most people do not suggest running an un-patched OS of any varient, sever, desktop, *nix or windows...

Jambo

I didn't say don't patch it but the automatic updates install a load of crap you don't need or want without telling you.

Set the updates to manual then only install the critical updates.

[SoulKiss]

I dont think there is much argument they are both excellent OS's and pieces of kit. it just comes down to which one you pref. but I bet there isn't many things you android can do that my iphone can't.

how are the games on the android market these days are there more big developers joining in yet?

I can develop my own apps without paying Apple for the privilege, and I can redistribute them WITHOUT the other person having to Root/Jailbreak their phone.

I can also use Flash based apps and websites.

Also EVERYTHING can be synced with Google (ok so thats a bit of a can of worms) but if anything happens to my phone, all my contacts, emails, SMS's etc are being backed up pretty much real time.

[hindle8907]

1.) I can redistribute them WITHOUT the other person having to Root/Jailbreak their phone.


2.) I can also use Flash based apps

two things up to now ;)

Also EVERYTHING can be synced with Google (ok so thats a bit of a can of worms) but if anything happens to my phone, all my contacts, emails, SMS's etc are being backed up pretty much real time.

^^ theres an app for that :wink:

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[wyrdness]

^^ theres an app for that :wink:

EhkxDIr0y2U

[ThEGr33k]

Games are fine. I have emulators for almost everything upto PS1... I don't play them often though as im not that bothered about mobile gaming, im an FPS person so I use my PC or even sometimes the 360...

Incase you really do want to know about how gaming is goin on Android, its steadily getting better, Rovio is onboard now and supposedly done well so far with Angry Birds, so that might make others think Android is a worth while platform to develop for.

As for general Apps there is probably very little you can get that I cant and vice-versa.

The main advantage IOS has over Android is not the iPhone, its the iPod, without that the iPhone wouldn't have got anywhere near where it is now in terms of Games and Apps. If Android in the future is made into a iPod style mobile game device then there is every chance that it will take off really big with the casual gaming. It will anyway but with the smaller number of users will take a little longer. Where android holds the advantage is its better comparability, it appears to be reasonably simple for people to make a multi platform game, so we will see similar things soon to what we see in the console gaming market, that is man multi platform devs.

There are a couple of thing im pretty sure you cant do even with jail break? Widgets? multitasking? I know you have a sort of Multitasking but it still seems to be more a list of recent apps than actual multitasking.

[SoulKiss]

Then there is always the as yet denied but known about Android 3.0 Playstation Phone from Sony...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/29/the-playstation-phone-new-photos-more-details/

[hindle8907]

Backgrounder 3rd party software works really well as a real multitasker especially on the ipad where there is no multitasking at all on the current iso version.
Widgets yeah you can have/create them depends how much time you want to put in not as advanced as some of the droid ones i must admit.
My iphone lock screen actually looks like a android phone lol.
below is an image of how mine looked a few weeks after release.
not changed much since just got twitter updates and FB updates too.

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo290/hindle8907/IMG_0314-1.png

[maxinc]

Multitasking? I know you have a sort of Multitasking but it still seems to be more a list of recent apps than actual multitasking.

What sort of multitasking would you need on a silly pocket device?

I mean, I'm a web developer and sometimes I have 10 different programs scattered across 2 x 24" screens but very rarely (if ever) I use 2 at the same time ... although I do switch between quite a lot.

Letting programs you don't actually use, consume resources and ultimately battery in background doesn't look appealing to me.

[ThEGr33k]

That dont really happen. Android closes things after a bit of time of not being used. Can be handy moving between programs knowing you wont have to start again with the one you are currently in. Granted yes small phones are restrictive but you can get a fair amount done with them all the same. :)

[maxinc]

That dont really happen. Android closes things after a bit of time of not being used.

And how is that really different from the iPhone then?

[ThEGr33k]

And how is that really different from the iPhone then?


Because it isnt immediate?

Its not like it shuts all background things down, you specifically setup a service it will keep running.

[maxinc]

It isn't immediate shutdown on iPhone either. Application usually pause while some services can run in the background.

I think the really important thing here is not the multitasking as we know it on the pc but rather to be able to return to a program in the same state you left it.

[ThEGr33k]

No but they do keep actually working with mine, not just paused... unless its something like a game, which is what you'd expect.

[beabert]

No but they do keep actually working with mine, not just paused... unless its something like a game, which is what you'd expect.

Yeah, can be playing music, using gps tracker, talking on msn whilst browsing. For me a phone without multi tasking would be useless.

[maxinc]

Yeah, can be playing music, using gps tracker, talking on msn whilst browsing. For me a phone without multi tasking would be useless.

Any of these can be done on iPhone while doing something else. Have you guys actually used an iPhone?

[hindle8907]

yeah my iphone works fine with the built in multi tasker its mainly the ipad until the new update comes out.
on the iphone if apps are not multi task compatible ie dont stay open/running that's where backgrounder comes in use as it forces the app to carry on running but as maxinx says the iphone works fine with 9/10 apliactions there is just a small minority that haven't updated to support the feature.
I can set a large app off downloading then switch to MSN and have a chat while the app continues to download, quick x2 tap on the home button and I can listen to my music ect ect ect all using the iphone standard multitask.

[allantheboss]

http://www.cslacker.com/images/file/mediums/stop_that.jpg

[andrewsmith]

Right what was the original Thread about??? :confused:

[wyrdness]

This says it all really...

http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/c-section-comics-iphone-vs-android-vs.jpeg

[maxinc]

Haha ... so true!

[andrewsmith]

haha sums up the arguement

[ThEGr33k]

Very nice... Does that mean the average iphone user is a woman? ha ha

[maxinc]

Very nice... Does that mean the average iphone user is a woman? ha ha

No, it only means the average android users are pizza delivery boys :p

[ThEGr33k]

No, it only means the average android users are pizza delivery boys :p


Fair enough, a very noble profession tbh!!!! :p

[the_lone_wolf]

I'll just leave this here...

http://freepicturesforyou.net/graphics/1287784164968.jpg

;)

[Bluefish]

nothing more to be said really, PC wins hoorah.

[allantheboss]

http://media.laptoplogic.com/upload-images/9349/9349_mac_vs_pc.jpg

[lukemillar]

Man, this thread is retarded. Seriously, who gives a sh!t!?

I think 90% of the posters in this thread need to unplug and get f***ing laid! :wink:

[metalangel]

Man, this thread is retarded. Seriously, who gives a sh!t!?

I think 90% of the posters in this thread need to unplug and get f***ing laid! :wink:

I agree. I never understood how anyone over the age of 13 could be a fanboy.

[Kalessin]

This thread is both funny and sad.

I am in the fortunate position of using computers from an array of different manufacturers, which run on various versions of Linux, Mac OS and Windows. It really is a case of the best tool for the job; each OS is well-suited to certain tasks and environments and each has its weaknesses. It's also easy to see that some computers have better build quality than others.

I never let the comments and opinions of Gates, Jobs or Torvalds influence my choices, and I don't judge who I am or who others are by their choice of technology.

Users' technological alignment is becoming like a religion. A lot of people make their choice and then disparage every alternative option as a method of validating their own decision. Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean any of you are wrong. Or right.

Everyone knows someone who will say they could get it cheaper, faster or better. But who wants to become that shallow show-off?

@the_lone_wolf: "i'm a faggot"? That's their argument? And, Macs *are* PCs.

@allantheboss: What an awful font, technical inaccuracies and poor punctuation and grammar. Just goes to show the ability to use a computer is not necessarily a sign of taste or intelligence.

[the_lone_wolf]

@the_lone_wolf: "i'm a faggot"? That's their argument?
Yes, that is an entirely genuine and serious logical point said without the slightest hint of irony...

[Kalessin]

Yes, that is an entirely genuine and serious logical point said without the slightest hint of irony...

I looked for irony or sarcasm... or something... I couldn't find anything. I assumed it was made by an American Mac-hater. Word is, they don't do irony or sarcasm well.

[the_lone_wolf]

I looked for irony or sarcasm... or something... I couldn't find anything. I assumed it was made by an American Mac-hater. Word is, they don't do irony or sarcasm well.They're not the only ones...

[allantheboss]

I think 90% of the posters in this thread need to unplug and get f***ing laid! :wink:

Just did, twice, if that was aimed at me. 3-some next time?

This thread is both funny and sad.

I am in the fortunate position of using computers from an array of different manufacturers, which run on various versions of Linux, Mac OS and Windows. It really is a case of the best tool for the job; each OS is well-suited to certain tasks and environments and each has its weaknesses. It's also easy to see that some computers have better build quality than others.

I never let the comments and opinions of Gates, Jobs or Torvalds influence my choices, and I don't judge who I am or who others are by their choice of technology.

Users' technological alignment is becoming like a religion. A lot of people make their choice and then disparage every alternative option as a method of validating their own decision. Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean any of you are wrong. Or right.

Everyone knows someone who will say they could get it cheaper, faster or better. But who wants to become that shallow show-off?

@the_lone_wolf: "i'm a faggot"? That's their argument? And, Macs *are* PCs.

@allantheboss: What an awful font, technical inaccuracies and poor punctuation and grammar. Just goes to show the ability to use a computer is not necessarily a sign of taste or intelligence.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a90/ferdboogie/i-can-count-to-potato.jpg

[allantheboss]

Man, this thread is retarded. Seriously, who gives a sh!t!?

Please note, I just liked the pic in the OP so I posted it. I don't understand most of what people are saying, but people who post DO care, so they should be allowed to discuss it if they want, it interests them.

[kaivalagi]

Please note, I just liked the pic in the OP so I posted it. I don't understand most of what people are saying, but people who post DO care, so they should be allowed to discuss it if they want, it interests them.
+1
If anyone has objection to this thread or any other then they really shouldn't waste their own time posting on it? To say a thread is sad is just looking for an off-topic argument to me...if you don't like don't post surely, otherwise in your own eye's you're being sad....

Anyway, would a poll be worth adding to this thread for the main question it asks?

p.s. for the record I did this morning too, why not have the best of both worlds...

[hindle8907]

As i said i think they are all excellent bits of kit /os's it just comes down to personal preference and what's fit for purpose.
I'm not a fanboy of anything I love all technologies/gadgets/computers ect ect from all company's and I am glad they keep advancing.

as for the getting laid comet lol, that's more childish than us having a debate about technology.
and for the record me and my fiancée are doing ok ;)

[allantheboss]

Hindle; does Salford Uni still exist?

[hindle8907]

Yeah dude

[kaivalagi]

I went to Salford Uni many moons ago, I still travel through Salford Crescent station on the way to Preston for workshops every other week or so, I have fond memories of that place believe it or not :)

[allantheboss]

My father did civil eng. there! He liked it, but said they did away with the biggest building or something?

On another highly amusing, yet relevant note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA&feature=grec_index

[kaivalagi]

I did an Electronics engineering when I was there, great campus and great uni life! The tallest building was Maxwell building where all the main engineering departments were based, I can only think that was demolished, but after I was there, I finished up there in 1997...

You're being a little unfair on Mac users there but the video does hit home (a bit too hard!) a point about some of the style over function decisions apple can make when you compare designs to the more conventional IMHO...

[allantheboss]

I don't really object to Macs apart from I think they're overpriced! It's just the majority of the PC vs. Mac things I find highly amusing are PC biased. I couldn't care much less if people bought Macs, nor PCs

[hindle8907]

On another highly amusing, yet relevant note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA&feature=grec_index

^^ that made me giggle. :D

[ThEGr33k]

Nice video there, cant believe people thought it was real though :D :D :D

[allantheboss]

Anyway, would a poll be worth adding to this thread for the main question it asks?


I don't know how to?

[Reeder]

Who cares?

[allantheboss]

Who likes Reeder?

[andrewsmith]

Start a poll :D

[Reeder]

No one would even bother voting

[hindle8907]

Who cares?

people who know how many bits there is in a byte.
now bog off reeder

[wyrdness]

I bought a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo 20" iMac from Apple in April 2009, for £560. Every similar model on Ebay at the moment has a But It Now price of between £600 and £860. Depreciation, what depreciation?

Try flogging a used 18 month old PC on ebay and see what percentage of the original purchase price you get back.

Macs might be initially expensive to buy, but total cost of ownership is lower because they hold their value.

[hindle8907]

^^ true, all apples gear holds it value very well.

[hindle8907]

i sold my 8Gb 3g iphone for 235 pounds after nearly 2 years of ownership.

[barwel1992]

^ agree even if most of it is cr&p ;)