View Full Version : Andy Grey sacked by Sky Sports. Over re-action.
EDIT: there should be a question mark at the end of the title
For anyone who hasn't heard Andy Grey has been sacked from a £1.7m a year job for making sexist comments about a female referee's assistant.
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And apparently he had already been warned for this.
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So do you agree that he should have been sacked or is it a big over-reaction led by the lazy newspapers again??
maviczap
25-01-11, 05:39 PM
Dunno, Keys apologised which was accepted by the lady concerned
Maybe he refused to, or they wanted to get shot of him and this was a good reason to do it?
From what was said, didn't Keys say all the bad stuff
tigersaw
25-01-11, 05:42 PM
its the 1.7m per year thats the amazing bit
Hold on since when are there women linesman?
To be completely and utterly honest, most women/girls ive met don't really know the offside rule, and most surely won't know the ins and outs such as not being able to be called offside if the run is made from inside your half and various others little technicalities. But then again, the majority of women don't follow footy as much as men, and anyone can understand the offside rule if it was explained to them properly. I think this links into the racism thread created recently.
ie most people of race x ive met are such and such but does that make me a racist?
well who knows. I'm sure the women linesman are fully qualified to do their job, and all linesman make howlers sometimes.
video 2 was mainly about the 'looker', if that's sexist then flamin heck who aint?! As for video3, he tried it and failed epically, got embarrassed and zipped it.
vid1 most incriminating out of the lot, but then why aint the other guy getting sacked too. That sure wasn't one way.
in fairness to the lass who was the lines-person, because we obviously cant call them linesmen now that women are frequenting the post, she has bigger cajone's than me, i wouldnt want to be an official at a premier league game. can you imagine the pressure from the crowd, players and now the pundits
Mr Speirs
25-01-11, 05:50 PM
Totally agree with the sacking.
Thing is when I watched the match I thought it was offside, the cameraman then zoomed straight on the female linesman. I then thought oh man I hope she was right otherwise she's going to get a lot of stick. The replay then clearly showed the player well onside.
So if she was right, what the hell to Grey and Keys know about the offside rule?
I think it would be an over reaction if it was said jokingly but it wasn't, it was clearly sexism and IMO there's no room for it in 2011.
What do women know about football, or motorcycles for that matter?
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Er. Did I post this on the wrong forum? This is the Male chauvinist piggie forum isn't it?
FWIW I watched the game and she did a pretty good job.
What do women know about football, or motorcycles for that matter?
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Er. Did I post this on the wrong forum? This is the Male chauvinist piggie forum isn't it?
No babe
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Oh damn. I er think that all women know the offside rule and are better riders.
Phew. I don't think anyone noticed.
Specialone
25-01-11, 06:00 PM
Imo Women should ref womens games and men ref mens games, simple.
Andy gray is a tosser anyway, talks a load of crap so not bothered about him getting sacked, just dont think he should be sacked for that.
Bluefish
25-01-11, 06:02 PM
I don't watch football, but if your someone getting paid that much then you would think that they would watch what they say.
Imo Women should ref womens games and men ref mens games, simple.
Andy gray is a tosser anyway, talks a load of crap so not bothered about him getting sacked, just dont think he should be sacked for that.
Like that would happen...
I do think the reaction is a bit over the top but to be honest, he is in a job that is watched by thousands of people and still can't stop saying something that he knows he shouldn't... Then he is an idiot.
Nobbylad
25-01-11, 06:08 PM
Too right he should get the bullet...he knows what is and what isn't acceptable, especially in the work place.
Any one of us would be in the same situ if we made the same comments, why should Gray be any different?
Besides, he's ex-Everton so stone him ;)
How many women on here would like similar comments to be made about their ability to do their job, just because they are women?
How many women would want the unwarranted comments he made, being made to them?
How many men or women on here would want their wives/girlfriends/daughters being referred or spoken to like that?
Isolated incident = rollicking.
Serial idiot = sacking.
Right result.
he's ex-Everton so stone him ;)
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SuzukiNess
25-01-11, 06:17 PM
who let that woman out the kitchen anyway?? and why was the chain so long?? really!! men, control your women! [-X
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I agree with the sacking - only cos if that attitude was brought into any office (and aired) it would probably lead to the same result..
PS - just thought i was entitled to my 5p worth cos I do understand the offside rule ;)
Bluefish
25-01-11, 06:23 PM
PS - just thought i was entitled to my 5p worth cos I do understand the offside rule ;)
LOl, i don't, pass me the dishcloth honey ;)
davepreston
25-01-11, 06:39 PM
ness and messie, just relax and dont worry your pretty little heads about it. its about football so we wouldnt want you to get all confused
grab me a beer while your in the kitchen love
The sacking was justified, the circumstances remind me of a certain plonker called Gordon Brown slagging off a woman when he thought his mike was off. He and Andy Gray should get on fine together. :D
Daryl.
Milky Bar Kid
25-01-11, 06:51 PM
I think the entire thing has been blow outta proportion a bit, but I do think that if he has been pulled up about it before then, yeah, he's an idiot and he deserved it.
PS...I don't know the offside rule...but then, I play rugby!! lol!
ManxMatt34
25-01-11, 06:59 PM
It's a damn shame they've sacked Gray. I tune in every match day and think his punditry is fantastic. Whereas on the opposite end of the scale i can't stand Richard Keys or Jamie Redknapp for that matter. They've sacked Gray, but does anyone not remember this from Keys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axISAvjgX9I
Gray, Kammy and Stelling by far are leaders of the skysports scene for me, so it's a shame to see one gone. However if they ever want to get rid of Redknapp, Phil Thompson or Keys i'd be more than happy. Matt.
Nobbylad
25-01-11, 07:12 PM
It's a damn shame they've sacked Gray. I tune in every match day and think his punditry is fantastic. Whereas on the opposite end of the scale i can't stand Richard Keys or Jamie Redknapp for that matter. They've sacked Gray, but does anyone not remember this from Keys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axISAvjgX9I
Gray, Kammy and Stelling by far are leaders of the skysports scene for me, so it's a shame to see one gone. However if they ever want to get rid of Redknapp, Phil Thompson or Keys i'd be more than happy. Matt.
You realise you are admitting you know naff all about footy? :rolleyes:
(The football league existed before Sky you know....)
Specialone
25-01-11, 07:16 PM
Not a gray fan as I said earlier, but he's been with sky bloody years so to drop him just like that sucks IMO.
Public apology, fined a months salary would have been enough IMO .
Why would I want to know about a rule to a game I dont watch or follow or have any interest in?
In regards to the sacking, yes, he is a professional he had been given a warning regarding this exact behaviour and he repeated it.
MR UKI (1)
25-01-11, 07:32 PM
Complete over reaction. It's no worse than what them Loose Women birds say about blokes every day (not that I watch it obviously :D)
fizzwheel
25-01-11, 07:40 PM
if i walked into my place of work and made inappropriate or disparaging remarks about a female colleague or questioned her competance based purely on the grounds that she was female. I would get a rollocking for it.
If I did it again then I'd be in a heap of trouble. Especially after having a warning already.
He behaved unprofessionally in his place of work and paid the ultimate price for it. I.e. he got the sack. Why is football or sports commentary any different in that respect.
Yep - the right result. Get some one with a more upto date approach and attitude to life - nobody (especially in a public forum)should be above the rules or so important that they can't be 'moved on'(there will of course always be certain special exceptional circumstances - a footy pundit isn't one of them):cool:
The Idle Biker
25-01-11, 10:05 PM
Firstly I agree with those that say Andy Gray is **** or whatever....he is. No question. £1.7M jeez, good riddance.
Second, I do watch loose women, and they say similar, it's true but thats supposed to all part of the fun...I guess?
Thirdly Richard Keys is the hairiest man on television, have you looked at his hands, monkey man or what. Surely a case of too much hormone which much occasionally take control of his mouth and judgement brain functions. Perhaps he could present Monkey Watch with monkey girl Michaela Strachan?
Keys is at it too. Some kind of planned effort to get rid of them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvsaG3b9uVY
dont agree with the sacking and think for alot of people his knowledge of the game will be missed. The comments were not broadcast live altho with them being leaked its more or less done the same damage.
Keys should go to as gray has!
The really interesting thing about all this tho is sky sports policy to only employ attractive women. To me it seems they use attractive girls knowing its mainly guys that watch. Is that not a form of sexism? There has got to of been some ugly's that are just as good as reading sports news??
just a thought
speedplay
25-01-11, 10:46 PM
Over reaction.
But on the plus side, now they can get in a bird with really big tits to do his job..:)
Joke!
Nobbylad
25-01-11, 10:56 PM
Keys is at it too. Some kind of planned effort to get rid of them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvsaG3b9uVY
Linky not worky...youtube bod hath closed their account.
Anyway, I can't believe they couldn't have been sacked sooner for a gross lack of anything interesting to say that relates to football.
Nobbylad
25-01-11, 10:59 PM
dont agree with the sacking and think for alot of people his knowledge of the game will be missed. The comments were not broadcast live altho with them being leaked its more or less done the same damage.
Keys should go to as gray has!
The really interesting thing about all this tho is sky sports policy to only employ attractive women. To me it seems they use attractive girls knowing its mainly guys that watch. Is that not a form of sexism? There has got to of been some ugly's that are just as good as reading sports news??
just a thought
Huh?!? You're joking right? Andy Gray was never an intelligent footballer and neither is he an intelligent pundit...as he has proved.
You're saying all the fellas are dog rough then? Not all the women are good looking, although that's down to personal taste. With the exception of the ex-footballers, I reckon Sky apply similar standards to both male and female broadcasters.
yorkie_chris
25-01-11, 11:25 PM
What do women know about football, or motorcycles for that matter?
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Er. Did I post this on the wrong forum? This is the Male chauvinist piggie forum isn't it?
In general, bugger all. In general they know nowt about cars, computers or reclining armchairs either and I'll continue to make cheap jokes about it. Just like I'll continue to make jokes about OAPs, cancer, paedophilia, blacks, hamsters and the poor.
You don't like it you can kiss my *rse :)
Anyway on a serious note, I believe sky are over reacting to sack them and think they may have wanted rid anyway. This was a bit of banter (not very good banter, but still) not intended for public viewing and not "disparaging remarks", they weren't made TO a colleague were they? They didn't go into the board room Harry Enfield "George Whitebread" stye... "Ehhhh up, nice tits, no offence!"
On camera or not, they believed these marks to be off air and intended for each others consumption only.
I didn't find the "does she know offside" bit particularly funny, but the bit about her being a looker and questioning the cameramans judgement did give me a giggle.
Football is a blokes sport, as a discerning gentleman more interested in the baiting of endangered species, flagellation and brandy, obviously I know nothing about it. But it's fairly sure that any woman going into it knows and accepts exactly what to expect, as seen by the fact that she's accepted the apology and just got on with the job. So on that basis anyone having a massive womens rights based whinge about it is a c*nt.
missyburd
25-01-11, 11:29 PM
Bit of an overreaction. If he hadn't apologised or the lineslady in question wanted to kick up a serious stink about it then yes the sacking would have been justified. If you're telling me she's got to where she is in football without having to put up with little snips of banter in a predominantly male sport then she's in the wrong job. By heck I think she's brave doing what she is doing and good on her but it's no surprise that some men will push the boundaries. Yes it was unprofessional, yes it was uncalled for but I don't think it's a sack-able offence. A big slap on the wrist yes.
HOWEVER. The fact that he had a warning and repeated the action justifies the sacking, he really should know better! Eejit.
p.s. i typed this before YC did but didn't post till now cos my internet died so just to clarify, any similarities between posts are purely coincidental! :-P
Specialone
25-01-11, 11:30 PM
Mildly blunt as ever Chris :)
yorkie_chris
25-01-11, 11:46 PM
HOWEVER. The fact that he had a warning and repeated the action justifies the sacking, he really should know better! Eejit.
I may be wrong but I think the second "offence" actually only came to light after the warning about the first. It was actually "committed" before the warning.
missyburd
25-01-11, 11:49 PM
I may be wrong but I think the second "offence" actually only came to light after the warning about the first. It was actually "committed" before the warning.
not sure, was just going on what people had mentioned here as I only heard about the first "offence" today :-)
husky03
26-01-11, 01:20 AM
total pi$h-let women go to footie and next thing their officials -whats next, mixed teams-women should stay out of football-there will soon be no places left for men to do men things.
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Huh?!? You're joking right? Andy Gray was never an intelligent footballer and neither is he an intelligent pundit...as he has proved.
You're saying all the fellas are dog rough then? Not all the women are good looking, although that's down to personal taste. With the exception of the ex-footballers, I reckon Sky apply similar standards to both male and female broadcasters.
Disagree I think andy knows the game inside out, having experience of actually playing the game gives him more knowledge on the game than any fan who watches from the stands. People that say he don't know what he is talking about just make me laugh, they think watching it makes them an expert
Sky employ all types of male reporters but I can't think of many females that are not easy on the eye, whatever your taste you only have to look at them to see why they got the nod
They shouldve sent him on loose women and got him to promote women in football. Or even wear a pink tutu and train with Arsenal womens team to see how things have changed. I think its poor judgement by SKY and pressure from sponsors that called for this knee jerk reaction.
So he made mistakes but why not re educate him and make him see the error of his ways. After all, apparently thousands listen to what he says so why not change his message. As an employee of 18 years you'd think sky would have better HR systems in place.
I dont condone what he said but taken in the context he hasnt killed any one he can now make amends and change for the good whilst encouraging others to do so as well.
It just irks me that the media jump on the bandwagon adding fuel to the fire calling for peoples head far to easily when a positive outcome could've been met. Now we all live in fear instead of harmony.
I think it would be an over reaction if it was said jokingly but it wasn't, it was clearly sexism
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its not his first offence it would appear, the "clip this mike to my packet" comment hasnt helped his cause...
if its not already been said, not read EVERY post, but if the two of them had commented that a male linesman needs to know the rules there wouldnt be this furore. big over reaction in my humble
on the plus side, i dont like his commentary much, take a bow son winds me up. as does pass it to his mate. jock twát.
The Basket
26-01-11, 12:07 PM
He gets paid how much?
That is far more shocking that any comment he makes.
Nobbylad
26-01-11, 01:53 PM
Disagree I think andy knows the game inside out, having experience of actually playing the game gives him more knowledge on the game than any fan who watches from the stands. People that say he don't know what he is talking about just make me laugh, they think watching it makes them an expert
Sky employ all types of male reporters but I can't think of many females that are not easy on the eye, whatever your taste you only have to look at them to see why they got the nod
He demonstrably knows less than a lot of people at non-league or even Sunday league level. Listen to some of the commentary, his job is to fill audio voids...nothing else. Ring Starr was in one of the world's biggest and successful bands, doesn't make him the world's authority on music does it?
Pedrosa
26-01-11, 02:12 PM
Obviously not much of his 1.7million pound salary went on education. He is apparently a sex pest, a rude and stone age like character. Good riddance I say.
There are morons saying they are to immediately cancell their Sky subscription due to this! Err you pay your money to watch live football or listen to Gray's "oh how I love the sound of my own voice." comments?
There are other individuals far more deserving of such an opportunity, after 20 years,perfect for a change anyway I reckon.
Owenski
26-01-11, 02:12 PM
when I first heard I laughed, thought what a muppet and carried on with my day. Having now seen him do it twice in the same day refereing to the same person etc then yeah its "a fair cop guv" he's gotta walk really.
Interesting though that on neither occasion does he instigate the conversation, his claim of been set up does have some foundation. Listen carefully to the wording of the other 2, greys left with 2 choices either agree and dig a big hole or to disagree entierly. still funny lol.
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davepreston
26-01-11, 05:13 PM
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40871000/jpg/_40871308_cleese.jpg
classism sexism whats the differance its still funny :)
Quiff Wichard
26-01-11, 05:32 PM
it was like bar room banter I reckon - off air- private convo.. ..
there is something deeply political and contrived about the whole thing.. still recording when off air? you tube vids off off air comments.. YES they said it but not in public domain "live" on TV .. but dont we live in a democracy and free speech etc which is why my grandad stood in a trench .?
Quiff Wichard
26-01-11, 05:37 PM
anyone had the handbag in the shop analogy to offside rule sent to their phone on text?? ha it funny
Quiff - free speech - yes, of course!
but also freedom from .... well a whole load of stuff, including being treated unfairly or unequally because of an entirely unrelated feature, such as gender.
Yes, what the man said was relatively mild, and didn't directly harm anyone; but in a large professional organisation, such as Sky, they have a moral and probably legal, duty to treat and ensure all are treated fairly and equally.
ManxMatt34
26-01-11, 06:01 PM
You realise you are admitting you know naff all about footy? :rolleyes:
(The football league existed before Sky you know....)
I think i'm missing something, whats my comment got to do with what you just wrote?
the first 2 videos could easily be interpreted as grey getting set up by the other presenters comments.
edit: video 3 is down
I actually fear that this is a retrograde step for equality and is actually as patronising to women as the offence. We are still in danger of treating women like "delicate little flowers" of the victorian era (that is, the ones who were not forced into servitude or prostitution, roughly 2/3 of young women in London in 1850).
For example, a resonse to Gray and the microphone - the woman should clearly just have told him to shove it up his ****. That response would have been worth recording. The lineswoman should have been able to respond after the game to Gray, explaining why she made the decison, without the benefit of several repeats, and by way of an apologiy, Gray could have offered to run a game where he could be a fat overweight old linesman for say, a kids game, before he criticises again, so he knows what its realy like out there. Robbie Savage did a Refs course for the respect campaign last week, and said on R5 that its one of the hardest things he has ever had to do.
Now, the point is Gray is a boorish pillock, and sexist, but a comment over a woman knowing hte offside rule is only a dull recital of a fairly "standard" joke, and indeed mirroring tens of thousands of conversations that happen every saturday. For every female fan I know who really likes football, there are 5 who "say" the are only watching it for David Beckhams **** in shorts or whatever, when ever a noteworthy match comes on.
Both are sexist. But then, men and women are *dur* not exactly the same as me. Ok, there are all sorts of sociological arguments over power, sexism ect, and I know that you cannot act indecently at work, even at office parties. You cannot make a smutty suggestion under influence of drink, despite the fact that Denise from accounts is presently banging the HR manager like a barn door in the wind in the toilets not 20 feet away. Thats just one of the confusions of modern life.
I think the "furore" whipped up over this feels contrived to me, and some of the fall out "planned" or "managed", especially the release of off air stuff to youtube. And to be honest, I think thats shadier and more worthwile investigating deliverate sabotage, than the off colour, off air moments of a sad old perv who can be ignored. Gray had no particular "managerial" power.
In essence, he should have been asked to apologise, explain why he was wrong, and management to accept that a female linesman, being so unusual to be noteworthy, cannot possibly have got that job, without realising that as a "ground breaker" in the field, she was going to receive some adverse reaction sooner or later.
The sooner we can deal with these things with humor and learning, rather than beating old fashioned views out of people with ****ty sticks, the better we will be as a society. Women need encouragement, not protection, and to lose the "be twice as good as a man to be equal" ****, that I hear spouted regularly, it simply isn't true.
We have a lot of police officer here. now, there are going to be many occasions where a WPC will have a greater calming influence on aggressive behaviour, than a male pc. Not always, but often, as the "pecking order" threat isnt there, and men generally behave differently with women around them. always have. School exam results show this from an early age. However, a WPC with a "need to be twice as good" chip on shoulder will often simply inflame a situation. Its alld own to confidence and people skillls, and where will confidence come from, if you are over protective of women?
Gray as a villa player did agitate to try and Get Ron Saunders, the 81 league cup winning manager, and 82 european cup manager (except the semi/final - he left) sacked, so for that he is a reprehensible **** that should never work again. For his sky blunders, meh.....
missyburd
26-01-11, 06:40 PM
Yes, what the man said was relatively mild, and didn't directly harm anyone; but in a large professional organisation, such as Sky, they have a moral and probably legal, duty to treat and ensure all are treated fairly and equally.
Really this whole episode has many similarities to that concerning Andrew Sachs' grandaughter, Russell Brand and Jonathan Woss. Their apology to Manuel was accepted and they were suspended by the BBC, end of. Why should things become more serious just because it was a woman who got "insulted". The people doing the insulting are just unlucky enough to get caught, not like sexism isn't used in day-to-day banter, people should take it in their stride these days (within reason before you all jump down my neck) and stop getting on their high horses about issues that don't even concern them. If the "victims" can accept an apology why can't everyone else? Let people fight their own bloody battles...
Quiff - free speech - yes, of course!
but also freedom from .... well a whole load of stuff, including being treated unfairly or unequally because of an entirely unrelated feature, such as gender.
Yes, what the man said was relatively mild, and didn't directly harm anyone; but in a large professional organisation, such as Sky, they have a moral and probably legal, duty to treat and ensure all are treated fairly and equally.
Any freedom comes with a responsibility to act with consideration to others.
A bit of banter with friends in private, or down the pub, or in the workplace are 3 different scenario's. My sense of humour sometimes sails very close to the wind but at work there's no way I'd crack a sexist joke. Even outside the workplace you've got to pick your audience... anyway, there was this blonde from Essex...
Littlepeahead
26-01-11, 06:42 PM
It's worth remembering that every other media outlet would love to hold the rights to the football and making Sky look bad - they'll be loving it. I know Barney Francis who makes the decisions over there. He's a good guy but must be wondering who has been leaking these clips as they've obviously got an agenda.
I personally don't watch football on TV. But I do understand the offside rule. Compared to the LBW law and the Duckworth Lewis method in cricket it's a doddle, and it's my job to understand the laws of cricket and look after Sky Sports.
If every off camera quip led to a sacking then most of the media guys I work with would be out of a job. If you are a women working in a man's sport then you have got to expect a bit of banter - you just give as good as you get. They get away with it when they are players and it doesn't change when they move into the media.
If he'd have asked me to put his mic pack down his trousers I'd have simply said 'why's that mate, need to fill a big space down there do you?' I got to stick my hand up Nicky Hayden's top twice when he did an interview and his mic became detached, that's what I call a perk of the job! And if I heard one of the media referring to me as 'a bit of a looker' I wouldn't be offended - I'd take it as a compliment. One of the BBC London cricket presenters often says on air 'I hope Clare turns up on her bike today so we can see her in her leathers' but I've yet to feel the need to complain.
If a man is a sex pest then get rid - of course. Essex CCC did that recently with a member of staff who was a real menace and had been for years.
But if it's banter - ladies get a sense of humour.
missyburd
26-01-11, 06:43 PM
My sense of humour sometimes sails very close to the wind but at work there's no way I'd crack a sexist joke.
Correction: Ten years ago you would have but now you don't dare because people take advantage and think the act of suing people for that extra bit of pocket money is normal behaviour ;-)
But if it's banter - ladies get a sense of humour.
OMG!
A woman with commonsense!?
What will they invent next;)
MisterTommyH
26-01-11, 07:26 PM
Robbie Savage did a Refs course for the respect campaign last week, and said on R5 that its one of the hardest things he has ever had to do.
Thats not saying much.......It is Robbie Savage!
Littlepeahead
26-01-11, 07:57 PM
OMG!
A woman with commonsense!?
What will they invent next;)
One who books her honeymoon and only afterwards tells her husband that it involves an England cricket tour in Sri Lanka?
maviczap
26-01-11, 08:09 PM
Well I don't condone what was said, but what I do dislike is the witchhunt that seems to have taken place?
From one incident, they've managed to trawl up all these other clips of Mr Gray saying sexist things
Why wasn't it delt with before, so that he knew not to cross the line?
I wouldn't be allowed to do that according to our HR policy, I could deal with the first incident no problem, but I couldn't go trawling back through unreported incidents, unless they'd been delt within formal disciplinary proceedure.
Seems to be a whiff of Murdoch getting his revenge on Mr Gray for sueing the News of the World for phone hacking or was Mr Gray's wage bill too high for Mr Murdoch?
MR UKI (1)
26-01-11, 08:33 PM
Keys has resigned now.
Seems to be a whiff of Murdoch getting his revenge on Mr Gray for sueing the News of the World for phone hacking or was Mr Gray's wage bill too high for Mr Murdoch?
This explains all that has happened. Never about sexism.
BigBaddad
27-01-11, 06:55 AM
I just got Fifa 2011 for my XBoX 360. It's the lastest Sky Sports version with commentary. It's very reallistic, I was playing it last night and when my wife walked in the room, Andy Gray told her to "ferk off back to the kitchen".
Pedrosa
27-01-11, 10:10 AM
"I'm devastated at losing the job,(pay cheque) I love." Bleets sad knuckle dragging shamed footie pundit.:D
Specialone
27-01-11, 10:16 AM
One who books her honeymoon and only afterwards tells her husband that it involves an England cricket tour in Sri Lanka?
Thats funny and cunning at the same time :)
The thing that gets me, the lineswomen involved wont be treated the same as men now, if anything they will be treated favourably.
But i dont think the majority of women in 'mens' jobs would want that, they would want equality and the only way to get that is to to take eveything the man will.
Jeez, you should see the abuse the linesman gets at st andrews, we dont care what colour, age, shape, gender they all get it, light hearted of course.
Some laugh at the banter early on and then dont get as much which i think is the best way to deal with it.
The best way for the female official in the andy gray saga was to publically give him some banter back, show him up a little or challenge him to a football rules off in public, iim pretty sure she would have won that.
I mean, he's scottish, what the hell do they know about football?
Btw, i know she didnt complain herself.
Quiff Wichard
27-01-11, 10:43 AM
not to be sexist but,
have you seen the Daily mirror this morning-- Keys' Daughter.. ? mmm she is bang tidy ..
carelesschucca
27-01-11, 10:47 AM
not to be sexist but,
have you seen the Daily mirror this morning-- Keys' Daughter.. ? mmm she is bang tidy ..
Just as long as she's not got her old mans Hairy Haunds she'll be fine!!!
andy greys scrapbook revealed
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lukemillar
27-01-11, 07:09 PM
But i dont think the majority of women in 'mens' jobs would want that, they would want equality and the only way to get that is to to take eveything the man will.
What exactly constitutes a "man's" job?
Women will want the vote next. Then where would us blokes be? The Country would be in turmoil...................
Specialone
27-01-11, 07:58 PM
What exactly constitutes a "man's" job?
You know what i mean, brickies, chippies, linesman, fire fighters etc etc.
Not my words btw, jobs perceived to be mostly filled by men.
Dont agree with female officials, but couldnt care less what else they do, as long as they do them equally or better than their male equivilants, why shouldnt they do them.
But the facts are the majority of men are physically stronger than the majority of women, so physically demanding jobs might be an issue for some women.
My wife could never lift the amount of stuff i do for my building job and i think that would apply to a lot imo.
"Linesman"? Don't you mean "Assistant Referee"? :)
I don't give a damn who does those jobs as long as they're good at it.
Imo Keys and Gray demonstrate a real arrogance with those sorts of comments, as if they're untouchable, like they're above reproach. They deserve to be sacked just for that. I don't care if it's their own opinions, you'd think for 1.5m/year they'd be wise enough to know when to keep their mouths shut. Football isn't "just for boys" and if it ever was, it shouldn't have been. The ONLY reason why there aren't women refereeing already, is that they will get a reception as blatantly prejudiced as this.
Fitness is not an issue. Or are we saying no women footballers are as physically capable of running for 90 minutes as the likes of Paul Durkin.
Specialone
27-01-11, 08:33 PM
Do a poll at any football ground and see how many men would want a lineswoman (call them what you like its still the same role).
Same as there will never be mixed gender teams, men play more physical at most sports, rugby, football etc so therefore would never treat women the same in regards to tackles etc.
This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, so what he said it, they just need to move along now or the poor woman will never have a normal career.
Milky Bar Kid
27-01-11, 08:35 PM
You know what i mean, brickies, chippies, linesman, fire fighters etc etc.
Not my words btw, jobs perceived to be mostly filled by men.
Dont agree with female officials, but couldnt care less what else they do, as long as they do them equally or better than their male equivilants, why shouldnt they do them.
But the facts are the majority of men are physically stronger than the majority of women, so physically demanding jobs might be an issue for some women.
My wife could never lift the amount of stuff i do for my building job and i think that would apply to a lot imo.
Out of curiosity, can I ask why you don't agree with female officials in a pretty much non contact sport??
I can understand you perspective for likes of manual labour jobs but again, you'll get some lads who won't pull their weight etc etc so imo, is it not better to have someone, no matter what sex, who does the job and does it well, even if they have to take an extra couple of runs with a barrow etc etc?
Do a poll at any football ground and see how many men would want a lineswoman (call them what you like its still the same role).
Which would only prove my point.
That would be like me asking a load of women at a theatre who they would want to write their next musical, and them all saying "not a man, men can't sing and dance".
Specialone
27-01-11, 08:48 PM
Out of curiosity, can I ask why you don't agree with female officials in a pretty much non contact sport??
I can understand you perspective for likes of manual labour jobs but again, you'll get some lads who won't pull their weight etc etc so imo, is it not better to have someone, no matter what sex, who does the job and does it well, even if they have to take an extra couple of runs with a barrow etc etc?
Nic i have seen loads of men on sites that women could out perform with their eyes shut, but thats because they are lazy not physically unable.
That extra couple of barrow runs is not great if you have a 4 man barrow chain going unloading a cement truck of 6 cubic metres who will only stay 30 mins max, the barrows are full and very heavy, i get exhausted doing it so a woman half my weight wouldnt be able to do it, not a criticism, its just a fact.
Its just my opinion about female officials, its a male only sport (playing not watching) at the top level so why do we need females to officiate at them.
For whats it worth, jobs that are mainly filled by women, i couldnt give a rats ass about them not being more available for men, men dont worry about things like that we just get on with it.
Specialone
27-01-11, 08:49 PM
Which would only prove my point.
That would be like me asking a load of women at a theatre who they would want to write their next musical, and them all saying "not a man, men can't sing and dance".
Unless they gay ;)
Milky Bar Kid
27-01-11, 08:54 PM
Nic i have seen loads of men on sites that women could out perform with their eyes shut, but thats because they are lazy not physically unable.
That extra couple of barrow runs is not great if you have a 4 man barrow chain going unloading a cement truck of 6 cubic metres who will only stay 30 mins max, the barrows are full and very heavy, i get exhausted doing it so a woman half my weight wouldnt be able to do it, not a criticism, its just a fact.
Its just my opinion about female officials, its a male only sport (playing not watching) at the top level so why do we need females to officiate at them.
For whats it worth, jobs that are mainly filled by women, i couldnt give a rats ass about them not being more available for men, men dont worry about things like that we just get on with it.
Like I said, I understand your view regarding labouring or other manual jobs which require strength. At the end of the day, I am well aware that no matter how much heart and determination I have, sometimes I am better to stand to oneside and let a guy help.
You still haven't really explained why you think women shouldn't officiate at football matches though, this lass has clearly got there because she knows the game inside out and by all accounts made a cracking call on the day regarding the offside rule. I'm not criticising your opinion in anyway here, I really am just interested in why you have that opinion.
Specialone
27-01-11, 08:59 PM
Like I said, I understand your view regarding labouring or other manual jobs which require strength. At the end of the day, I am well aware that no matter how much heart and determination I have, sometimes I am better to stand to oneside and let a guy help.
You still haven't really explained why you think women shouldn't officiate at football matches though, this lass has clearly got there because she knows the game inside out and by all accounts made a cracking call on the day regarding the offside rule. I'm not criticising your opinion in anyway here, I really am just interested in why you have that opinion.
To be perfectly honest Nic, i cant explain why, just thats the way i feel, i gues im of that age when women didnt play football when i was young so still see it as a 'mans' game, that said some the top women players are pretty good players and would show a few men up.
Just for the record, i dont doubt they can do the job of officiating equally as well as men, im sure the lady in question is a damn good official, id trust her version of an incident on the pitch any day over andy grays :)
I'm all for females refereeing football games, providing they make their man breakfast in bed before they go and are home in time to cook him dinner.
Milky Bar Kid
27-01-11, 09:04 PM
To be perfectly honest Nic, i cant explain why, just thats the way i feel, i gues im of that age when women didnt play football when i was young so still see it as a 'mans' game, that said some the top women players are pretty good players and would show a few men up.
Just for the record, i dont doubt they can do the job of officiating equally as well as men, im sure the lady in question is a damn good official, id trust her version of an incident on the pitch any day over andy grays :)
That's fair enough. I still see it quite a lot in the job I do, not normally from colleagues I hasten to add but when I am out working, I get it a bit, especially when I am with a male colleague who although a bit older has a good bit less service than me and I will tend to find the older generation will bypass me to speak to him....and then he has to ask me!!:lol:
Unless they gay ;)
It would be pretty stupid if they did all say that, I fully agree :)
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