Suzuki sv 650 greases & fluids equivalent list

[muzikill]

I've noticed there arent many posts about this & posts available have a lot of conflicting information so i thought i would post a list up - i will edit it if there any mistakes. Posts are welcome to update any unknowns i have listed with updated info. As you know i am in the process of a engine rebuild and this would help me and others for future use & possibly save money having to buy the 'official' tubs and tubes.

Oem prices vs. alternative also shown.


Molybdenum oil solution = 50/50 mix of molybdenum grease & m/c engine oil
Suzuki bond 1207b (us) / 1215 (uk) £38.32 = Threebond liquid gasket- 1207b £15 / 1215 £20
Thread lock 1342 £47.21 = Three bond 1342 £3-£5, Permatex thread lock (blue) medium strength (or equivalent)* around £5-£10
Thread lock super 1303 = Three bond 1303 £3-£5, Permatex thread lock (red) high strength* around £15
Suzuki super grease A = ?
Suzuki moly paste £8.54 = ?


* When looking at other alternatives for threadlock check first as some manufacturers don't use the same colours/strengths combinations!

[muzikill]

I also found this guide posted by TSM in another thread which i thought would be handy to keep in here once it's all sorted out.

LM Grease
A lithium based high melting point grease specifically designed as a wheel bearing grease.

Moly Grease
Molybdenum grease for use on kingpins, shackles...etc. Also used in engine re-assembly on items like main and camshaft bearings.

Red Rubber Grease
Special rubber compatible grease for use on hydraulic brake and clutch components where hardening or swelling must be avoided.

CL Grease
Soft calcium based grease for chassis lubrication and for swivels and spring shackles. Resistant to salt water spray.

BNS Grease
Bertone based non-melting high temperature grease for ultra severe applications such as race/rally front wheel bearings.

MS3 Grease
A high melting point lithium based grease for heavy duty chassis and some CV joints.

Copaslip Grease
Ideal for manifold studs, cylinder head bolts, spark plugs and wheel studs. Prevents corrosion

[Bibio]

RRG
ZX1 SG http://www.team-zx1.com/Super-Grease

pretty much covers all your lube needs. if you dont do a lot of 'rubber' parts then a small tub of RRG is all you need i have a tiny pot of it and it goes a looooong way as you just need a 'smear and rub'.

the ZX1SG covers just about everything that needs grease.

threadlock i only use the blue by starlock. never tried the threebond so cant comment.

[andrewsmith]

the 100g tubs of RRG on ebay are big enough, I used about 10g of the tube (being very liberal).

That grease sounds like lab developed version of the old duchams bearing grease

[muzikill]

RRG
ZX1 SG http://www.team-zx1.com/Super-Grease

pretty much covers all your lube needs. if you dont do a lot of 'rubber' parts then a small tub of RRG is all you need i have a tiny pot of it and it goes a looooong way as you just need a 'smear and rub'.

the ZX1SG covers just about everything that needs grease.

threadlock i only use the blue by starlock. never tried the threebond so cant comment.

so i could use this stuff for everything? - eg the drive shafts, gears, camshafts, pistons etc.....

[yorkie_chris]

No, use moly oil where it's called for on reassembly. I don't trust those snake oils, especially not at that price.

Where it calls for suzuki super grease use a lithium complex grease from bearing or engineers supplier, it's dead cheap, like a quid a tube, and good for chassis bearings and such.

A few tricks;
Don't refit the clutch and oil pump until it's back in the bike and you're ready to almost spin it over. Starting with some cheap 10w40, lean the bike a way to the left and pour some into the oil galleries under oil pump.

Don't fit spark plugs, disconnect the coil LT leads. When fully reassembled spin the motor over for a few 10-15s bursts a few minutes apart until the oil light goes out to prime the oil system. Having the plugs out massively reduces the force on big end and main bearings.

[Bibio]

the zx1sg will cover anything that needs grease. have a look on the website.

rrg for rubber stuff

any 10w-40 bike specific oil for your engine. my preference is millars but thats me.

i also use ZX1 micro oil and have been for yeeeeeears some say its snakeoil but i use it and it works. (dont use it if you are running in a vehicle)

another couple of greases you might consider is silicon grease for the plug caps and contact grease for electrical connectors.

up to you in the end what you use.

[yorkie_chris]

£12 vs £1.50 for a tube of grease, I couldn't justify that.
If it was so good they'd be using it in industry and you'd be able to get it anywhere.


Regarding threadlocks I use the loctite stuff, 242 GP threadlock is fine for 99% of stuff, 620 for putting bearings in that need locking so you need heat to get them out. But there are loads of products that fit the bill.

[muzikill]

No, use moly oil where it's called for on reassembly. I don't trust those snake oils, especially not at that price.

Where it calls for suzuki super grease use a lithium complex grease from bearing or engineers supplier, it's dead cheap, like a quid a tube, and good for chassis bearings and such.

A few tricks;
Don't refit the clutch and oil pump until it's back in the bike and you're ready to almost spin it over. Starting with some cheap 10w40, lean the bike a way to the left and pour some into the oil galleries under oil pump.

Don't fit spark plugs, disconnect the coil LT leads. When fully reassembled spin the motor over for a few 10-15s bursts a few minutes apart until the oil light goes out to prime the oil system. Having the plugs out massively reduces the force on big end and main bearings.

ive got a tub of Castrol LM kicking about.............

[yorkie_chris]

Yeah that's ok for most stuff. complex is better.

[muzikill]

£12 vs £1.50 for a tube of grease, I couldn't justify that.
If it was so good they'd be using it in industry and you'd be able to get it anywhere.


Regarding threadlocks I use the loctite stuff, 242 GP threadlock is fine for 99% of stuff, 620 for putting bearings in that need locking so you need heat to get them out. But there are loads of products that fit the bill.

Ive got the following...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390287770639
and threebond 1342 & threebond 1301 (i think these are the actual suzuki ones they repackage)

A link for the 1.50 stuff would be cool!

[yorkie_chris]

I get it from local engineers merchant

[muzikill]

Ok, got hold of this stuff
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_24 6319_langId_-1_categoryId_165705
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_22 1685_langId_-1_categoryId_165507

That'll do the moly oil solution!

[PuggledPrune]

Hi folks, handy thread but I'm a noob so got a noob question. Didn't think it needed a whole new thread so thought I'd nick this one.

Been giving the bike a really good clean, try to recover from the harsh winter. Took the wheels off, but the as I'm working outside got some dirt on the axel etc so was gonna clean them up. However, not sure what grease I should use for all the bits (also noticed in haynes manual that the speedo drive is supposed to get a slap of it before refitting).

TIA!

[yorkie_chris]

LM grease is fine (lithium multipurpose), which is pretty much garden variety do anything grease.

[PuggledPrune]

LM grease is fine (lithium multipurpose), which is pretty much garden variety do anything grease.

Thanks very much! Only thing I've got lying around is copper slip. Will nip out to the shops tomorrow!

[yorkie_chris]

Copper slip is no good for anything that moves in use. If you've got copperslip, LM grease or lith complex and rubber grease you're pretty much set.

[PuggledPrune]

Yeah that's what I thought. I pretty much use copperslip on bolts to stop them getting stuck and that's about it. :)

Good to see what they are all for. Trying to build up a wee toolkit.

Thanks again.

[CodeJACK]

How does the Putoline range of stuff do in the SV?

Have used their fork oil and its working well so far (15w).

They have stuff called raving grease. what would this suit on the SV?

Have either castrol or putoline available to me where i live. Just looking for options

[yorkie_chris]

Putoline is fine, HPX fork oil is good stuff