View Full Version : whats the score with buying off the forum via paypal
Hi, a few weeks back I bought a part from a forum member, paid via paypal and have heard nothing, even with sending 2 polite emails, and now a 3rd asking to have my money back, still polite.
As it wasnt an ebay transaction is there not much I can do? although it was only £20, thats not the point, Id dont just chuck cash about for the sake of it.
Not naming the forum member as im hoping they cough up either the part or my money back.
Lee
maviczap
18-10-11, 07:35 PM
You should still be covered by PAYPAL for the non delivery, unless you sent it as a gift payment
You should still be covered by PAYPAL for the non delivery, unless you sent it as a gift payment
+1 Which is why sending money as a gift is free.
Sill annoys me when i say buyers are responsible for the fees and i get lumbered with some of the sale being taken from me by Payapl. I don't need insurance/cover sa i know i'm going to deliver the frigging part.
-Ralph-
18-10-11, 07:44 PM
Stick a deadline date for them to have delivered the goods or given a refund, or you will name and shame on the forum. Sick to the back teeth of seeing people getting ripped off on the forum and IMO if this is happening we need to know who the user is so we all know not to buy from them in future.
If you are selling and Paypal or ebay fees are an issue, just add a fiver to the asking price on the item.
I ticked the goods box as reason for sending. Just found the info on paypal site, looks like I need to open a dispute.
Even if the forum member is very busy an email would have helped, just hate being in the dark not knowing.
Check the users last period of activity on the forum by going to their profile. If it's before you started sending the messages then there could be a host of genuine reasons as to why they've not been on here.
If on the other hand they've been on the forum, and you know they've most likely read your messages then there are no excuses - name and shame.
Incidentally, is the member a very new one with minimal post activity?
No recent activity but were on the forum at time of purchase. Have about the same number of posts as me and similar joining time.
The reason I dont want to name and shame as maybe they are having some issues or problems, one of the reasons Ive been patient and have been polite with my emails.I have also emailed theyre email address with no reply.
Quick troll through your posts, and not hard to find out who you're on about ;-)
I'm sure there must be a genuine reason. Perhaps goods lost in the post, said person wouldn't know and has had no time to check internet?!
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 07:13 AM
Quick troll through your posts, and not hard to find out who you're on about ;-)
Just a note for anybody about to do this, don't jump to conclusions!
It will appear that Binky and Leebex may have agreed the sale of a reg/rec, but that was only on Saturday, so with the best will in the world it was unlikely to have arrived by yesterday. Binky's a good lad, he doesn't have the same post count or join date as Leebex, and the OP said it's been a couple of weeks.
Owenski
19-10-11, 10:39 AM
Name and shame at this stage IMO, it could be a genuine reason so I wouldnt be ar5ey about it but just a
"Oi x?X?x where is my item?" thread should do it.
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 11:51 AM
With the user I think it is I'm not sure a thread will help. The same user has done it before, and disappears off the forum for weeks at a time. Id PM Fizz and ask if he can help you by emailing the users listed email address, it may be a different address to the one you have.
Owenski
19-10-11, 12:28 PM
I dont think Rory would mind ;)
EDIT: I get what you mean now, he hasnt posted since 4th Oct which was to the OP so assuming he hasnt been online in the mean time he simply may not have checked his PM's and he's defo not a frequent enough user to see a call out feed posted on IB. Point understood.
fizzwheel
19-10-11, 12:42 PM
As always I will do what I can to assist, but I cant really do a whole lot more than -Ralph- has suggested...
If the OP wants to furnish me with the details then I'll look into it, but if you're expecting me to magic up a solution or get your money refunded thats not something I can do. ( I have been expected to do that in the past )
Remember it is a case of buyer / seller beware I would have thought using paypal would offer some protection except if you "Send the money as a gift" then its your lookout...
I would prefer not to have to deal with the fallout of Name & Shame, I would rather this was setttled amicably.
Lots of replies here since last visit,and one reply got the wrong end of the stick, almost implicating the wrong forum member!!!!
Thanks for the offer of help fizzwheel,I chuckled when i read that some folk have expected the return of their cash :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Its possible this thread has prompted some action, so Id rather see what happens in the next few days before I do or type anything Id later prefer I hadnt of done.
If anything this experience may highlight to others that maybe its always preferable where possible to go view an item, pay cash and take away there and then,or view past selling experiences on the forum with appropraite replies mentioning how items were recieved etc.
Lee
maviczap
19-10-11, 06:35 PM
This is not the first time that member has not sent goods that have been paid for and I've warned other Orgers by PM to be careful when thinking about buying from him. :smt071
Unfortunately I hadn't seen Lee's request for the item
And I don't mean Binky, despite Ralph's good character reference, he still owes me a beer :)
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 06:41 PM
Lots of replies here since last visit,and one reply got the wrong end of the stick, almost implicating the wrong forum member!!!!
I'm sure you don't mean my post, but if you did, go read it again ;)
Specialone
19-10-11, 06:46 PM
Without even looking in to this, I could hazard a good guess who we are talking about if my suspicions are correct.
Just a note for anybody about to do this, don't jump to conclusions!
It will appear that Binky and Leebex may have agreed the sale of a reg/rec,
What conclusions? Not hard to find a thread from a few weeks back with £20 as the price and a member who has not been active since that time.
Not sure why you mentioned Binky?:confused:
MisterTommyH
19-10-11, 06:58 PM
I'm sure you don't mean my post, but if you did, go read it again ;)
On a re-read I get what you mean... But on first read I thought it was a defence of Binky rather than a 'look further back'.
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 07:05 PM
What conclusions? Not hard to find a thread from a few weeks back with £20 as the price and a member who has not been active since that time.
Not sure why you mentioned Binky?:confused:
I mentioned Binky because I searched Leebex's posts as you suggested, and the last thing it may appear he bought (don't know if he did or not) was a reg/rec from Binky. I didn't want people jumping to the conclusion that Binky was the culprit.
On a re-read I get what you mean... But on first read I thought it was a defence of Binky rather than a 'look further back'.
I didn't quite get it either. The first post sort of gave it away
Hi, a few weeks back
I mentioned Binky because I searched Leebex's posts as you suggested, and the last thing it may appear he bought (don't know if he did or not) was a reg/rec from Binky. I didn't want people jumping to the conclusion that Binky was the culprit.
What's the last thing he bought have anything to do with it? Im sure most orgers can read the op's first post and figure it out for themselves without jumping to conclusions.
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 07:13 PM
Just a note for anybody about to do this, don't jump to conclusions!
It will appear that Binky and Leebex may have agreed the sale of a reg/rec
It couldn't have been much clearer lads ;)
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 07:14 PM
What's the last thing he bought have anything to do with it? Im sure most orgers can read the op's first post and figure it out for themselves without jumping to conclusions.
It's quite clear that orgers can't read my posts in this thread without jumping to conclusions. :rolleyes:
You're jumping to the conclusion that people are jumping to conclusions.;)
maviczap
19-10-11, 07:19 PM
And in conclusion, were you blaming Binky ;)
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 07:20 PM
On a re-read I get what you mean... But on first read I thought it was
;)
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 07:20 PM
And in conclusion, were you blaming Binky ;)
:lol:
The only way anyone would think its Binky is if they couldnt understand the op's first post, and it looks like plain English to me.
It took me about 20 seconds to get to page 2 of leebix posts, and find the curvy link pipe thread. I'm sure others found it just as easy.
MisterTommyH
19-10-11, 07:27 PM
;)
I admit I tend to skim over things.... Just wasn't sure which conclusion I wasn't supposed to jump to :-?
Resulted in conclusion confusion.
Edit: thulfi, you're right, once you look at the post history it's perfectly clear.
Anyway, to try and get this back on track..... Hope you get your pipe!
maviczap
19-10-11, 07:27 PM
So it is Binky, I knew it ;)
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 07:39 PM
The only way anyone would think its Binky is if they couldnt understand the op's first post, and it looks like plain English to me.
It took me about 20 seconds to get to page 2 of leebix posts, and find the curvy link pipe thread. I'm sure others found it just as easy.
You know what Thulfi, I couldn't give a crap, goodnight.
You know what Thulfi, I couldn't give a crap, goodnight.
Why would you? Your initial post only would have insulted the intelligence of any orger who had read it.
People here can read and perform a very simple task.
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 07:44 PM
Goodnight
Don't let the bed bugs bite
Specialone
19-10-11, 09:20 PM
I stand corrected, it wasn't who I thought it was after looking, unless the one I thought it was uses two forum names.
-Ralph-
19-10-11, 09:39 PM
I stand corrected, it wasn't who I thought it was after looking, unless the one I thought it was uses two forum names.
Have you been jumping to conclusions? [-(
Now, you know intelligent folk don't do that don't you! ;)
Specialone
19-10-11, 09:45 PM
Have you been jumping to conclusions? [-(
Now, you know intelligent folk don't do that don't you! ;)
Nope, the person I had in mind had been a crap seller to quite a few on here, for once it's not him ( or her)
Well....youve all pretty much worked out who it is, and to be honest Im sick of being taken for a free cash machine, Im especially annoyed that im not the first to be taken for a ride, here was a perfect opportunity for rory to earn himself a better reputation and actually post out an item he sold.
I had a mobile number for rory so sent a text asking to get it sent by saturday or refund me, 2 texts sent with no reply at any time so Ive opened up a dipute with paypal. he has a chance to reply to a message I sent him, then if nothing, the next step is a refund claim.
Lee
-Ralph-
22-10-11, 07:10 PM
Mavizcap, what was it you had a problem with. I have an Sv_rory issue in mind but not sure if it was you or not. Trying to figure out if this is the second or the third time. The forums mods can't do anything to control sales on the forum, but I do think this kind of thing should result in user getting banned. Its not the kind of thing the forum really needs to have going on. Have users been banned in the past for the negative influences that they have on the forum (Irons perhaps)??
although banning a member doesnt stop them returning with a new name though and then possibly doing the dirty on more people.
maviczap
22-10-11, 07:29 PM
Mavizcap, what was it you had a problem with. I have an Sv_rory issue in mind but not sure if it was you or not. Trying to figure out if this is the second or the third time. The forums mods can't do anything to control sales on the forum, but I do think this kind of thing should result in user getting banned. Its not the kind of thing the forum really needs to have going on. Have users been banned in the past for the negative influences that they have on the forum (Irons perhaps)??
I didn't have a problem with Rory, as I'd never bought anything off him.
I remember other Orgers having exactly the same problem as Lee
Its definitey the second time to my memory.
Other Orgers have been banned by the Mods for not sending stuff Orgers had paid for. Jester666 is one that I remember
maviczap
22-10-11, 07:30 PM
although banning a member doesnt stop them returning with a new name though and then possibly doing the dirty on more people.
Yep no stopping the Tunc's easily
Have users been banned in the past for the negative influences that they have on the forum (Irons perhaps)??
haha, what, Irons got banned?!
That guy was something else, pure entertainment at times.
maviczap
22-10-11, 09:07 PM
haha, what, Irons got banned?!
That guy was something else, pure entertainment at times.
Irons suspected to be a former Orger using Irons as his new ID
-Ralph-
23-10-11, 08:38 AM
Irons was Baph IMO
-Ralph-
23-10-11, 09:52 AM
Nope he wasn't or isn't
Mods managed to prove it one way or the other did they?
Dave20046
23-10-11, 12:56 PM
In fairness a quick scan of the posts I got the wrong name too (couldn't be arsed going more than a page back) - you would have been better just naming and shaming!
Hope you get it sorted anyhoo
I'm sure this has been answered but you can launch a paypal dispute at any time and they always favour the buyer because they're twunts.
Mods managed to prove it one way or the other did they?
Doubt it.
Mods managed to prove it one way or the other did they?
Yup, tho you weren't the only one with suspicions.
And I don't think Irons is banned ( but might be wrong)
Quiff Wichard
23-10-11, 03:30 PM
good thread..
I cant be bothered to look at history and see who it could be so..
I blame Binky :o
poor binky and hes done nothing wrong :p:p
Anyway, opened a dispute with paypal, you only have 45 days from sending payment to open a dispute, so all the time you leave it waiting for an item to arrive, its less time to claim back a refund.
Opening a dispute still leaves an opportunity for the seller to settle and keep the buyer happy, its in their interest too as their paypal account gets suspended for a length of time if theyre found to be a problem seller.
Dave20046
23-10-11, 06:44 PM
So have you managed to launch a dispute or did you leave it too long ? (sorry if I've missed sommat!)
in the post above the one you typed dave :smt116 :smt116 lol
Still no response to my 2 text messages I sent last thursday, and no reply to the paypal dispute, and even if he hadnt noticed any of this, still nothing to say that its been posted, so its reasonably fair to say that the item isnt going to be posted.
fizzwheel
24-10-11, 06:58 PM
As an aside, I have suspended the sellers account on the org, they wont be able to place any threads in any of the sections until I'm happy this has been sorted out.
Ive just been on the phone to paypal and the dispute has been closed in my favour with a full refund on its way.
Rory had 10 working days from the 1st day I upped the dipsute to a claim and had ignored emails from paypal and myself, I also sent 2 text messages too incase he had no internet connection, which clearly showed he couldnt give a rats ass about refunding my £20.
By being so slack it helped settle in my favour quicker too :D
I recommend avoiding that seller.
-Ralph-
04-11-11, 05:48 PM
Until I'm happy this has been sorted out
It's been sorted out, but by paypal, not the buyer. What does that mean in terms of his account? Is he free to come back on and do it again to another buyer in another 6 months? Or does he stay suspended?
oops, sid squid visited :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::grin:
Change the "member" under his user name to "thieving b@stard" for future reference?
Just a suggestion ;)
Specialone
04-11-11, 05:56 PM
Had you been a potty mouth lol?
Thread title is in tact so can't he that :rolleyes:
didnt swear, but advised not to trust him :rolleyes::p:p:smt116:smt116
lets not get to hasty as he might have had an accident or he is in jail.
but if none of the above then its a sad state of affairs that you have to steal a measly £20 from friends.
or he is in jail.
What for, theft? :mrgreen:
lol
Maybe im just too trusting in the first place to send strangers money for something Ive never even seen, but I like to have faith in the gentlemans agreement ;)
maviczap
04-11-11, 07:06 PM
lets not get to hasty as he might have had an accident or he is in jail.
but if none of the above then its a sad state of affairs that you have to steal a measly £20 from friends.
He'd had previous form for taking money and not sending stuff
Only trouble is, you could ban him, but he could just register under a new org name.
At least Lee's got his money back and I'd recommend anyone buying stuff to use PAYPAL if at all possible.
But all the stuff I've bought without PAYPAL has been sent, and the vast majority of Orgers are honest decent folk
Shame there's always one rotten apple
fizzwheel
04-11-11, 07:35 PM
It's been sorted out, but by paypal, not the buyer. What does that mean in terms of his account? Is he free to come back on and do it again to another buyer in another 6 months? Or does he stay suspended?
Account is suspended till he gets in touch with me or John.
uber pikey
18-02-13, 11:13 PM
Here we go again, but myself and another user has paid for seat cowls off the same aforementioned chap and have had no correspondence since payment was taken. Now I won't jump to conclusions but after the other member getting in touch and pointing out that he hasn't received his item and stumbled across this thread we are disappointed to be scammed in such a manner and somewhat confused by the lack of responsibility from mods that could have dealt with the member a lot more efficiently.
People buying SVs will come as I have to this site for advice and support, not to be ripped off and leave with a sour taste in their mouths. Obviously this is a minority situation, and in no way dishonours the majority of the people that use this site but disappointed I am.
craig dow
19-02-13, 08:27 AM
iv put up another post for this person , as dont want any one eles getting ripped off , and iv put his name on it too
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