New pads 2nd opinion needed

[muzikill]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150723261808?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Im about to get these, better than OEM & i wont need expensive ones either.

Just need to check, these are HH?

[Stonesie]

According to Goldfren...

''The AD series is optimal for common street riding on scooters, cruisers and street bikes. It is recommended for riders that do not ride really hard, but do want good stopping power if they need it. The wearing rate of this compound is 20% lower than other known sintered brake pads in the same category. The AD series is designed for low abrasive interaction with the rotor and offers quieter braking due to the ceramic composite material.
Friction materials contain metal-ceramic and typical iron; finer additives are added to the base of the iron compound to achieve optimal friction properties.''




Are they better than OEM? In a word, NO...


The OEM pads in my K6 were TOKIKO HH rated, and pretty good untill they got hot, then they were much better. So personally I would stick with HH rated pads, these Goldfren are probably good enough for normal rideing but when the summer comes and the pace get's progressive (or if you have a pillion) they could get overheated.

[SVMAT]

Goldfren do the HH rated ones aswell and from experience id say they were good. Gave good stopping power and feel on the front however on the rear they need heat to work so were a little vague feeling. Good vaue though, and take alot of abuse. HTH

[muzikill]

Found this from wemoto which is pretty invaluable

Brake Pad Frictional Formulation

Brakes work on the crude principle of friction between two surfaces. To give a uniform measure of the frictional characteristics of a Brake Pad the SAE J866A test procedure is used to give a two character code e.g EE FF GG HH.
HH or GG


HH Pads These have the highest coefficient of Friction and are ideal for High performance motorcycles and race track use. Some modern performance motorcycles specify HH as standard. HH Pads can sometimes prove grabby, scary in the wet and ineffective in every day use when they fail to reach a good operating temperature.


GG Pads This grade of Pad is a great all rounder and will perform well in most conditions. GG are softer than HH pads and bed in quicker on worn discs.


Mixing HH and GG Pads Many manufacturer specify HH for the front of performance Motorcycles with GG in the rear. This is because GG pads can give you more feel and control of the back brake. It is not considered safe to use HH in the rear with GG pads in the front.
Obviously Pads are only as good as the condition of the whole braking system. When first used brake pads can sometimes give poor braking as residual moisture from manufacture process works its way out and the pads bed in. It is best to bed in pads with gentle use and very heavy initial use can result in glazing, a condition where the resins in the pad crystalize with resulting poor performance and squeal.



Back to the drawing board! ..... thanks for the advice so far.

so ..... either

Front HH & Rear GG
or GG all round

Maybe kyoto's arent that bad for sv's and my style of riding. (im too grabby at the front brake btw)

[TamSV]

It is not considered safe to use HH in the rear with GG pads in the front.

I've actually had that combo on the SV :). Don't do it kids.

I knew it wasn't a great idea but the HH rear pads were going really cheap and, hey, it's only the rear brake - I'm sure I never use it. :rolleyes:

It turns out I use the rear alot more than I thought I did. After snaking into one corner too many, I ditched the HH pads and now stick with GG all round. Works best for me.

[Bibio]

i use EBC HH on front but i have 4 pot radials and to be honest its a bit overkill on the SV. the rear are still OEM and to be fair they still bite a little to much for my liking. HH are fine if you are going to be going nutz and grab handfulls from ridiculous speeds as they wont fade as much as GG will but might glaze if not being used properly. GG are the choice for everyday use and are kinder to discs, they are less likely to glaze.

some people don't like the initial bite of HH and some do. in most cases HH are the better choice untill you decide to do 'track days' where you might find you have no pad materiel left at the end of the session.

[muzikill]

Cheers tamsv & bibio. It looks like after all of this info checking i end up back at the start again knowing that oem gg is still a perfect choice that suits the sv & me. Another way to look at it i suppose is i've overhauled the calipers so even after bedding them in the oem will feel a LOT better and thats maybe all i really need.

Plus bibio will know how much of a fairy i was last year getting back on the sv after my off. This year will be different it tell ya!

Ok so the oem i am replacing (in the pics) were

Front Tokico toyo C93F HH
Rear Nissin TT2701 HH

jeez HH all round ... and this was fitted as standard. Ordered GG all round from Wemoto. That way theres no mucking about as no-one does a full set on ebay and most of the ads dont describe if they are GG type!

[andrewsmith]

I've actually had that combo on the SV :). Don't do it kids.

I knew it wasn't a great idea but the HH rear pads were going really cheap and, hey, it's only the rear brake - I'm sure I never use it. :rolleyes:

It turns out I use the rear alot more than I thought I did. After snaking into one corner too many, I ditched the HH pads and now stick with GG all round. Works best for me.

I use that set-up personally like it. I only use the rear in low speed stuff
Was really because the rears were delaminated and the spares I had wern't much better

As a side whats the view on the EBC street pads as a side

[Bibio]

in most cases HH are the better choice untill you decide to do 'track days' where you might find you have no pad materiel left at the end of the session.

that should have read GG. soz :(

anyway, as long as you match the front and back then alls fine :cool: and to be honest you probably wont notice much difference between the 2 types till you grab a handful.

[muzikill]

I know what you meant bibio. Im meticulous fixing stuff as you know bud.

[muzikill]

Flipping heck!... Just opened the parcel from wemoto. Ok they are the right shoes but one of the shoes doesnt have the wear line cut in the middle where the other side set does. Will this affect the braking?

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6652291807_779e6951c8.jpg

The shoe on the far right........

http://www.wemoto.com/parts/picture/MS-S1435/

:( ........... you get yourself all sorted to get a job done ... oh well!

[Bibio]

don't open it and send it back...

[gixer1]

i put these gold fern on my 2004 gsxr 1000 and 1990 rgv 250 and they squeek on both bikes
on the front bit annoying they are good on the rgv but not on the gsxr i will be putting ebc
on it next time

[muzikill]

don't open it and send it back...

Thought so, ill email them first and let them know I dont want them to send another bad set. Ta bud.

[Stenno]

I went for HH at the front and GG at the back as I kept locking up the rear tyre in 'emergencies' i.e. bad riding. Albeit it's more down to my lack of riding experience rather than them being too harsh.

[Roberrrrt]

Wonder if the same principal applies to my pointy then - I've got GSXR callipers up front with more stopping power, and wemoto only stock HH pads for these. Question is - do I put HH or GG in my standard SV rear?

[Spanner Man]

I went for HH at the front and GG at the back as I kept locking up the rear tyre in 'emergencies' i.e. bad riding. Albeit it's more down to my lack of riding experience rather than them being too harsh.


Have you tried adjusting the height of the rear brake pedal?
Often when people lock up the rear on occasion, a small adjustment of the pedal height stops the issue. As it gives more 'feel'.


Cheers.

[yorkie_chris]

Wonder if the same principal applies to my pointy then - I've got GSXR callipers up front with more stopping power, and wemoto only stock HH pads for these. Question is - do I put HH or GG in my standard SV rear?

GG

[Stenno]

Have you tried adjusting the height of the rear brake pedal?
Often when people lock up the rear on occasion, a small adjustment of the pedal height stops the issue. As it gives more 'feel'.


Cheers.

Cheers, hadn't considered that. I'll give it a go!