Dumps, they encourage fly tipping

[timwilky]

So, with the evil stepmother AKA the duchess moving out of the ancestral home I have had to empty Wilkinson Towers.

It would appear one of my brother has already nicked my dads Snap On tool boxes/roll cabs. I never took them at the time of my dads death as it felt like grave robbing even though he told me they were mine. He left everything to the duchess so I didn't want to start taking bits then. But now when I should have the garage stuff someone has been in Grrhhhh.

But anyhow. dumps.

Loaded up the van full of household junk. Off to the local tip 12 miles away. Pulls in and starts to unload.

"Oi, where is your permit!".
"What permit?"
"The one to tip here"
"What you on about?"
"You need a permit for a van"
"Ok give me one"
"You have to apply to the council for one"
"OK I will do, have you got the details"
"It is all on there web site, but you cannot tip that until you get one"


So I have now got a van full of junk outside my house. Filled in the web form and had an email that I will get a permit in about 7 days. But I can only go once.

FFS I need to go about 4 times, I am tipping 70 years of hoarding junk.

They are encouraging me to simply fly tip by making it difficult to get rid of junk at an official household waste tip. Why?

[maviczap]

Totally agree Tim, as a non commercial user, you'd be ok down here to dump your loads at the recycling centres.

Only as a commercial operator would you need to pay or get a permit.

Is there anything the carity shops could take away?

I know Scope pick up furniture and stuff like that.

Reminds me I've got to dob a fly tipper in to my local council, as he and many others are ruining a local wood with their rubbish

[MisterTommyH]

They are encouraging you to use a licensed contractor to recycle as much as possible from the house to send the minimum amount to land-fill.

Landfill taxes are huge now and the council don't want the hassle or expense of having to sort through everything you dump.

Vans aren't allowed because they are generally used for commercial operations rather than personal - council tips are for the use of the residents only. If permits allowed return visits then a shady contractor (pikey) could go and charge a bomb for taking someones junk then simply keep going to the council tip - making a huge profit and putting all the expense onto the council.

[hardhat_harry]

Yea we have to have a permit here even for private vans but it is one per HOUSEHOLD so 1 for you, then get your mate to fill one in with your reg, then other mate, then another mate.

If anyone asks say your helping them to get rid of their old stuff too

[Owenski]

Same at ours Tim only the do allow one tip per day if you're in a van.
Which is stupid - my estate used to take more in the back than a transit connect and I could go with that as many times a day as I wanted. Another ill thought out restriction!.

[metalangel]

Same here. I am clearing out my house and I have a number of old PCs and PC bits that I've accumulated over the years.

As I work shifts, I loaded all the stuff into the car so I could drop it off on my way home from work.

Yesterday, seeing me in office clothing carrying a box of (three) keyboards, the guy in the little portakabin confronted me:
"Where'd you get them keyboards, butt?"

I explained they were mine, that I was moving house, and that I was disposing of them.

"They look like they's from a business."

I explain that he's seen me before twice in the last ten days, dropping off their two equally ancient and discoloured old PC towers in the same container, as well as their two monitors which he had directed me to put in the TV/monitor container.

He allowed me to continue. Still, wtf?

[widepants]

A couple of weeks ago I went to the tip in Somerset near to my partners with 10 bags of soil.The oik looked into the back of the van and after a quick count , told me that it would be £40.00 please. Wtf £4 for each bag of soil.Jumped in the van and 20 mins down the road I'm in North Somerset where they charged me the total of....£00 . Would dumping soil be classed as fly tipping ?

[Sir Trev]

To be fair the tip wallahs don't know if anyone in a van is a trader in disguise or a householder who happens to have a van. So they generally treat everyone with suspision.

My neighbour has this problem. He's known at the local dump as he has a decorating/building business so finds it a real pain disposing of genuine household junk. The gits now get funny when his wife turns up there in her car, no matter what's in it.

Surprised about the soil WP. Our tip has a skip for hardcore and another for soil and encourage their use as it gets recycled and sold on.

[daveyrach]

The re3 place in Reading is good, I borrowed the work van when we moved house tis a Peugeot Expert, literally just squeezes under the height restriction bar. I went there 3 times in one day with the van bursting at the seams no one batted an eyelid they even helped with the bigger stuff.

I also drive a C4 Grand Picasso so it like a van with all the seats down fill that up every now and then and just go up there.

[Dave20046]

Yep , you need a permit for big vehicles. It's seemingly ridiculous.

They are also all striking in sheffield, which is great when the council's website gets the dates wrong and you rock up anyway. you then go 12 miles to the suggested one when your nearest is shut and your car's fully loaded they have two members of staff welcoming people on the gate (required??) and 4 members of staff outside the portacabin not at all interested in what the public are getting up to on the site smoking and shouting through to the staff (at least one) in the cabin how they like their tea.
They could have kept both phucking sites open!

[Bibio]

Tim just phone one of those house clearance pikeys. the house will be emptied in no time :-)

[grh1904]

I hope you don't, ahem* (cough/splutter) acidentally leave the van load area insecure & come back to find that the local yoofs off the estate have engaged in a spot of local community wealth re-distribution.

[-Ralph-]

Last time I checked my local tip, you only needed a permit for a van if it was business liveried. If you turned up in a rental van or a plain van for two or three trips then they'd accept it was personal use. If you are in and out all day, then the next day, then the next weekend too, or you were tipping stuff that they through was business use, you'd get turfed out.

That may have changed.

Still that was stupid, because if you have a liveried van for business, you couldn't use it at the weekend to go to the tip. If you went and rented one that had AVIS slapped down the side of it, or you used an unliveried van for business, then you were OK.

When the public sector in this country start making rules that have actually been thought through, I'll do a Jeremy Clarkson and eat my own pubes.

[Dave20046]

Nope , no plain vans in sheffield.
Soon to get fortnightly bin collections too ...as they plan to reduce tip opening times.

[tigersaw]

Pretty good here in Hampshire. They even help you unload, taking the nice looking electrical items (that you have hidden a dog poo inside) straight to their cash in hand boot fair stash.

[DJFridge]

Chichester tip isn't too bad (not the closest but Bognor is too small and queues are horrendous) as long as you're not in a liveried van. When we decide to "sort" an area of garden (which we do from time to time) we can create car loads - the best was a Fiesta and a V70, both full to the front seats, two trips in each. People go down with trailers full and I've never seen anyone given any hassle.

[suzukigt380paul]

its almost as bad if you hire a skip,you cant put plaster board, asbestos,paint tins,freezers,tyres,gas cylinders and a few more that i cant think of at the moment in a normal skip

[tigersaw]

its almost as bad if you hire a skip,you cant put plaster board, asbestos,paint tins,freezers,tyres,gas cylinders and a few more that i cant think of at the moment in a normal skip

You put them in someone elses skip

[chezvegas85]

its almost as bad if you hire a skip,you cant put plaster board, asbestos,paint tins,freezers,tyres,gas cylinders and a few more that i cant think of at the moment in a normal skip

Don't you need 600 folk from the armed forces in hazmat suits if you want to dispose of asbestos?

[suzukigt380paul]

Don't you need 600 folk from the armed forces in hazmat suits if you want to dispose of asbestos?disposable overalls, dust masks & gloves

[Wideboy]

Pretty good here in Hampshire. They even help you unload, taking the nice looking electrical items (that you have hidden a dog poo inside) straight to their cash in hand boot fair stash. I always smash it up before taking it there


At the one here its a permit for 7 trips a year and thats with a transit connect

[Spank86]

Don't you need 600 folk from the armed forces in hazmat suits if you want to dispose of asbestos?
for good reason.

[yorkie_chris]

Was quite amusing when some of the council lot went on strike, just as my mates were having a massive clear up. Down to the tip and wang all the bags over the fence... enjoy your holiday lads here's a nice start for Monday morning ;)

[Dave20046]

its almost as bad if you hire a skip,you cant put plaster board, asbestos,paint tins,freezers,tyres,gas cylinders and a few more that i cant think of at the moment in a normal skip

Woops!
Maybe sheffield companies care less.

Although I was smart enough to sand down my asbestos, bag it up and chuck it in on the bonfire.

[Dave20046]

Was quite amusing when some of the council lot went on strike, just as my mates were having a massive clear up. Down to the tip and wang all the bags over the fence... enjoy your holiday lads here's a nice start for Monday morning ;)

Wish I'd done that, I was on camera though. Just left a letter.

[yorkie_chris]

So were we, taking waste to a council site within it's opening hours, nothing ever came of it...

[timwilky]

Well the permit was on the doorstep when I got home last night so off to the dump with the full van.

I get there and have to find someone to deal with it.

"What do I do with this" I ask, showing permit envelope
"Open it!"
So I get out the permit. "You need to sign it"
"Have you got a pen?", "No, come to the office"

So I go off, sign it hand it over and proceed to empty the van.

When along comes another dump employee.

"Oi have you got a permit to use that van!"

"Yes, I have handed it in at the office"

"OK, carry on"



Why oh why when I was first asked last week did I not simply say that I had already handed it over. Still now I know the official procedure and will now apply for a permit for this month. But in the meantime I will also apply for a permit giving sons and daughters addresses.

Ironically, as I walked to the office with the man to sign the permit. I did state the restrictions encouraged fly tipping, he agreed and said they were in place to prevent non domestic waste being tipped. To which I said surely commercial waste being properly disposed of is better than it being illegally dumped. "yes I agree, but we charge for commercial waste and it is all about the money"

Enough said.

[tactcom7]

Slight derail tim apologies,

I remember a lad i once knew trying to pay for fireworks with his new credit card, the conversation went like this.

'oh you haven't signed that card it's not valid. You need to sign it first.'

'ok no problem, have you got a pen?'

'Sure, here you go'

(he signs card and hands it back)

'yeah i can't accept that card, i just saw you sign it in front of me...'

Facepalm.

[Spank86]

Makes you wish he'd been buying petrol doesn't it, or paying for a meal.

[Sir Trev]

To which I said surely commercial waste being properly disposed of is better than it being illegally dumped. "yes I agree, but we charge for commercial waste and it is all about the money"

Enough said.

At least he was honest on that score!