View Full Version : Which replacement shock for Pointy?
JasonH_
25-07-12, 10:34 PM
Hey guys, im going to upgrade my chain and sprocket in a couple weeks and i figured i may aswell upgrade my rear shock an possible my front ones? just wondering which is best for a 16/17stone guy (i know! feel sorry for the bike huh?!) which wouldnt require too much modification (none if thats possible ;) ) as im not that mechanically sound.
as always if this has been covered please point me to where i can get the info?
many thanks guys
jason
joshwalker094
25-07-12, 10:39 PM
A 2006/07 zx10r shock, they fit perfect, just need to remove heat shield from tool box
joshwalker094
25-07-12, 10:40 PM
Look at this on eBay:
Kawasaki ZX10R (06/07) Rear Shock
http://bit.ly/OG1ne4
JasonH_
25-07-12, 10:50 PM
Look at this on eBay:
Kawasaki ZX10R (06/07) Rear Shock
http://bit.ly/OG1ne4
sweet cheers for that mate! do i just take off my old one then put this one in using existing bolts? and will they be okay with me on them as im a big (ish) guy lol
squirrel_hunter
25-07-12, 11:01 PM
For the rear Ohlins will do you one for around £650, or a GSXR1000 standard unit can be found on eBay for under £100. The question really should be what rear shock can be recommended for the budget of £XXX?
The same for the front, an Ohlins WSBK Spec set of forks is around £10,000 the last time I looked, a GSXR swap can be around the £800 - £1000 mark, or a litre of 15w oil is about £10.
Oh and are you looking to do this yourself or not as labor cost the last time I took a bike in to a garage is c.£50 p/h?
JasonH_
25-07-12, 11:08 PM
For the rear Ohlins will do you one for around £650, or a GSXR1000 standard unit can be found on eBay for under £100. The question really should be what rear shock can be recommended for the budget of £XXX?
The same for the front, an Ohlins WSBK Spec set of forks is around £10,000 the last time I looked, a GSXR swap can be around the £800 - £1000 mark, or a litre of 15w oil is about £10.
Oh and are you looking to do this yourself or not as labor cost the last time I took a bike in to a garage is c.£50 p/h?
hi im on a budget of £3-400? and would probably do this myself providing i get all the necessary information and the confidence to do it. also would this fit my bike?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZX-10R-2011-12-NEW-SHOCK-ABSORBER-WITH-WHITE-SPRING-/261071014794?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cc90b8b8a#ht_500wt_1054
squirrel_hunter
25-07-12, 11:24 PM
hi im on a budget of £3-400? and would probably do this myself providing i get all the necessary information and the confidence to do it. also would this fit my bike?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZX-10R-2011-12-NEW-SHOCK-ABSORBER-WITH-WHITE-SPRING-/261071014794?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cc90b8b8a#ht_500wt_1054
Not sure about that one, I've only ever fitted a GSXR1000 unit to a Pointy but looking at it, I'd guess some modification to the battery box will be needed.
As for doing it yourself, its not actually that bad to do if you have a good set of tools and some equipment to raise the rear like an Abba Stand.
JasonH_
25-07-12, 11:25 PM
Not sure about that one, I've only ever fitted a GSXR1000 unit to a Pointy but looking at it, I'd guess some modification to the battery box will be needed.
As for doing it yourself, its not actually that bad to do if you have a good set of tools and some equipment to raise the rear like an Abba Stand.
ive got some paddock stands and a truck jack if neeeded? did you take it out through the bottom of the bike?
A 2006/07 zx10r shock, they fit perfect, just need to remove heat shield from tool box
I reckon this'll be undersprung for a 17 stoner Josh. The spring rate is only 8.3kg/mm. Race tech calculator throws up a rear spring rate of around 9.2kg/mm.
I'd choose something with a stiffer spring such as a 2008 zx10r shock. Has a spring rate of 9.1 kg/mm and will suit much better. Admitidly it'll be a little more of a faff to fit but once in I reckon it'd perform better. See link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=COvG24gH&key=0AlotUijBbxpCdDFGenIwQjg2MTcwS2swVFF0TU5UX3c&authkey=COvG24gH#gid=1
Up front some K tech .95 springs and fresh oil will do the job nicely and will come in at around £100. Debrix emulators are another £40 or so quid and will again improve the front end. YC is your man for this!
JasonH_
25-07-12, 11:37 PM
I reckon this'll be undersprung for a 17 stoner Josh. The spring rate is only 8.3kg/mm. Race tech calculator throws up a rear spring rate of around 9.2kg/mm.
I'd choose something with a stiffer spring such as a 2008 zx10r shock. Has a spring rate of 9.1 kg/mm and will suit much better. Admitidly it'll be a little more of a faff to fit but once in I reckon it'd perform better. See link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=COvG24gH&key=0AlotUijBbxpCdDFGenIwQjg2MTcwS2swVFF0TU5UX3c&authkey=COvG24gH#gid=1
Up front some K tech .95 springs and fresh oil will do the job nicely and will come in at around £100. Debrix emulators are another £40 or so quid and will again improve the front end. YC is your man for this!
i cant seem to get him to contact me, but would the 2008 zx10 shock require a lot of messing around? as i wouldnt like to create more work for myself
a GSXR1000 standard unit can be found on eBay for under £100.
Reckon this would be better although would need to be 2003/2004 or nothing at OP's weight.
Even then it's still slightly undersprung at 8.6kg/mm but not too far away and defo a big improvment over standard shock I reckon.
JasonH_
25-07-12, 11:43 PM
GSXR1000 standard unit can be found on eBay for under £100.
is it hard to fit the gsxr shock onto the sv?
i cant seem to get him to contact me, but would the 2008 zx10 shock require a lot of messing around? as i wouldnt like to create more work for myself
Not too sure tbh. I've got a 06 zx10r shock which was easy to fit but im only 12 stone...
Try the search function to see if anyone else has done it or go down the gixer thou route (2003/2004) and just cut battery tray (I think) which aint too bad. There are defo threads on here explaining this including photos etc.
Here you go :)
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=112527&highlight=gsxr+rear+shock+pointy
JasonH_
25-07-12, 11:49 PM
Here you go :)
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=112527&highlight=gsxr+rear+shock+pointy
THANKYOU!! i would have NEVER found that. that doesnt look too hard to do, you think this would be better than the zx10 shock because im heavier? i think works out 17 stone full gear and everything ( including a full stomach of KFC)\\:D/
squirrel_hunter
25-07-12, 11:55 PM
ive got some paddock stands and a truck jack if neeeded? did you take it out through the bottom of the bike?
Paddock stand won't really help as you need to support the bike once the rear suspension unit is removed. If the paddock stand is just on the swing arm then the arm is taking the weight of the bike sent through the shock.
I can't find details on the GSXR swap we did, but this (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=163563) might be of some help...
THANKYOU!! i would have NEVER found that. that doesnt look too hard to do, you think this would be better than the zx10 shock because im heavier? i think works out 17 stone full gear and everything ( including a full stomach of KFC)\\:D/
Yeah I'd say so.
A dremel or similar will make light work of the battery tray and the swap itself is quite simple. Will prob add an hour or so to the job but personally I think it'd be worth it at 17 stone.
Don't get me wrong, the 06 zx10 shock would be an improvement over stock but if your gonna do it you may aswell get the most suitable shock for you.
Obviously if budget was bigger an aftermarket ohlins etc would be best but if you wanna do front as well within a 300-400 budget then I'd try the gixer thou shock or research the earlier zx shock I mentioned in earlier post.
HTH
Paddock stand won't really help as you need to support the bike once the rear suspension unit is removed. If the paddock stand is just on the swing arm then the arm is taking the weight of the bike sent through the shock.
I can't find details on the GSXR swap we did, but this (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=163563) might be of some help...
I used ratchet straps round frame under rear pillion seat and hung bike from a rafter in the garage. Worked a treat.
Choc the front wheel and/or cable tie round front brake & handle, *EDIT*trolley jack & block of wood to add support if you have one.
Pic shows the front being held up but priciple is the same...
http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?albumid=934&pictureid=6373
JasonH_
26-07-12, 12:01 AM
Paddock stand won't really help as you need to support the bike once the rear suspension unit is removed. If the paddock stand is just on the swing arm then the arm is taking the weight of the bike sent through the shock.
I can't find details on the GSXR swap we did, but this (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=163563) might be of some help...
ah i see thanks mate
Yeah I'd say so.
A dremel or similar will make light work of the battery tray and the swap itself is quite simple. Will prob add an hour or so to the job but personally I think it'd be worth it at 17 stone.
Don't get me wrong, the 06 zx10 shock would be an improvement over stock but if your gonna do it you may aswell get the most suitable shock for you.
Obviously if budget was bigger an aftermarket ohlins etc would be best but if you wanna do front as well within a 300-400 budget then I'd try the gixer thou shock or research the earlier zx shock I mentioned in earlier post.
HTH
what about the bolts? it looks like im guna need some longer bolts for the gixxer shock? any idea where to purchase these?
I used ratchet straps round frame under rear pillion seat and hung bike from a rafter in the garage. Worked a treat.
Choc the front wheel and/or cable tie round front brake & handle.
sweet ill get some straps
squirrel_hunter
26-07-12, 12:03 AM
I used ratchet straps round frame under rear pillion seat and hung bike from a rafter in the garage. Worked a treat.
Choc the front wheel and/or cable tie round front brake & handle.
That should work as well. I've done similar to take the front end off of a SV to load it into the back of a Land Rover before. The only problem I had when doing that was the bike did sway a little when I was arguing with a particularly stubborn bolt.
ah i see thanks mate
what about the bolts? it looks like im guna need some longer bolts for the gixxer shock? any idea where to purchase these?
sweet ill get some straps
Here
http://www.wemoto.com/
squirrel_hunter
26-07-12, 12:07 AM
what about the bolts? it looks like im guna need some longer bolts for the gixxer shock? any idea where to purchase these?
Check your nearest trading estate I used a local supplier. Don't even bother trying B&Q or similar.
JasonH_
26-07-12, 12:08 AM
Here
http://www.wemoto.com/
sweet thanks. am i looking at bolts under sv650 or gsxr100? an i think i will see which shock i can get cheapest and depending on that i will go either way as regards to installing it :D tthanks for the help guys
ill keep you posted
sweet thanks. am i looking at bolts under sv650 or gsxr100? an i think i will see which shock i can get cheapest and depending on that i will go either way as regards to installing it :D tthanks for the help guys
ill keep you posted
GSXR. You already have SV bolts :rolleyes:
Best of luck with it.
JasonH_
26-07-12, 12:13 AM
GSXR. You already have SV bolts :rolleyes:
Best of luck with it.
:help: thanks mate :D i appreciate it!!
SV650Racer
26-07-12, 09:35 AM
For a £300-£400 budget Id stick a Nitron sport shock built to your weight into the bike (£340 to org members) and a set of K-Tech fork springs for £76.50 and then new oil and set the air gap. Just a tad over £400 but will work miles better than a GSXR shock and the nitron will be worth at least £250 secondhand when you come to sell the bike, unlike the GSXR shock.
Worth considering, the SV has a very good chassis and is worth it if your budget will stretch to it.
hi im on a budget of £3-400? and would probably do this myself providing i get all the necessary information and the confidence to do it. also would this fit my bike?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZX-10R-2011-12-NEW-SHOCK-ABSORBER-WITH-WHITE-SPRING-/261071014794?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cc90b8b8a#ht_500wt_1054
If you want something sprung and weighted to you but with damping/rebound adjustment and a warranty, I found about this site that makes a shock to drop straight into the SV650 for £350 all in - http://www.shock-factory.co.uk/m-shocks-suzuki-to650.html
Oh, forgot to say that I have a ZX shock and needed to modify the battery box etc (in fact bought a smaller battery). I would do it again if necessary but a brand new shock for £350 that bolts straight in os probably a better investment IMO. Then again I got my shock for £60 second hand ...
The Guru
26-07-12, 10:54 AM
ZZR1400 shock is pretty much a straight swap. You only need to remove the bit of plastic thats screwed to the side of the battery box with 3x screws. I don't see what purpose it served anyway...
ZZR1400 shock is pretty much a straight swap. You only need to remove the bit of plastic thats screwed to the side of the battery box with 3x screws. I don't see what purpose it served anyway...
Yeah but these are like goldust in my experience. Looked high and low for them at the time and nothing came up on the second hand market (even on Kawa forums). But, agreed that this would have been the easiest solution.
I've got a ZX6 2006 rear on my K9 S. This list gives you all the info you need about what is compatable for the SV.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=COvG24gH&key=0AlotUijBbxpCdDFGenIwQjg2MTcwS2swVFF0TU5UX3c&authkey=COvG24gH#gid=1
Just a question, these ZX10R shocks, they add about 10mm height to the bikes rear end if I've been informed correctly? Anyone got a before and after picture at all?
Thanks :)
Just a question, these ZX10R shocks, they add about 10mm height to the bikes rear end if I've been informed correctly? Anyone got a before and after picture at all?
Thanks :)
You'd be hard pushed to see the difference in a photo tbh.
I'm only 5'8 and was a tad worried about the rear end rise but I needn't of worried. It's not drastic and the performance of the new shock over the old one makes it well worth it.
A 2nd hand lowered seat can be picked up for around £40 if needed.
I've got a ZX6 2006 rear on my K9 S. This list gives you all the info you need about what is compatable for the SV.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=COvG24gH&key=0AlotUijBbxpCdDFGenIwQjg2MTcwS2swVFF0TU5UX3c&authkey=COvG24gH#gid=1
Yep, it's also on page 1 of this thread ;)
Elliott
26-07-12, 04:29 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-ZX10R-06-07-Rear-Shock-/280926586907?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item416887881b
Cheers Dkid. To be honest with you, I do want a bit of a rise but I'm reluctant to go down the shock & dog bone route as I've read some **** stuff about this causing tank slappers to be more common. Which I fear deeply :mrgreen:
Would have to be more of a rise than the 06/07 zx10r shock gives to cause you any worries I suspect.
I have the above shock (8mm longer than stock) and have dropped the front end 5mm through the top yoke. No tank slappers and the bike seems fine at +100 mph (on private roads officer).
Turns in quicker than before and a bit easier to flick around.
This shock still too soft for the OP though (17 stone). As mentioned, I'm 12 stone and it works well for me.
cool. I'd love to go down the gsxr rear tail route but can't be arsed with all the machining that needs to go into it. Don't have access to stuff to do it anymore, boooo :(
JasonH_
26-07-12, 08:56 PM
so a zzr1400 would be a straight swap?
chester_dio
26-07-12, 09:12 PM
Yes zzr1400 (look on ebay for zx14) shock is identical in shape to the zx10r 06-07 shock but with a spring and valving ideal for a 15-16 stone rider. It is VERY easy to fit. Here are some:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/06-07-08-09-10-11-Kawasaki-ZX14-ZX-14-ZX14r-Rear-Suspension-shock-absorber-OEM-/261073127964?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cc92bca1c#ht_878wt_1270
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-06-07-08-09-10-11-Kawasaki-Ninja-ZX14-Rear-Shock-Linkage-6227-/290725153605?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43b091cb45#ht_859wt_1037
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/06-11-Kawasaki-ZX1400-ZX-14R-Rear-Shock-Used-45014-0124-458-/230814760087?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35bda1bc97#ht_3364wt_1037
For a £300-£400 budget Id stick a Nitron sport shock built to your weight into the bike (£340 to org members) and a set of K-Tech fork springs for £76.50 and then new oil and set the air gap. Just a tad over £400 but will work miles better than a GSXR shock and the nitron will be worth at least £250 secondhand when you come to sell the bike, unlike the GSXR shock.
Worth considering, the SV has a very good chassis and is worth it if your budget will stretch to it.
you could go for a ZZR/GSXR shock but since you say you have £400 then i would suggest you take up SV650Racer's offer. your shock will be built for you and your bike add to that the front springs and it will transform your bike. Nitron shocks hold their value so if you want to sell your bike say next year you will get around £250 for it and £50 for the springs (keep your old shock and springs) so you would only be spending £160. if you plan on keeping your bike for a good while then you will be rewarded with a better bike. the SV is an absolute cracking bike once the suspension is sorted out. ooohhh and the Nitron is a straight drop in with no modification or cutting things. out the box and they are usually spot on and don't need adjusted.
JasonH_
26-07-12, 09:36 PM
you could go for a ZZR/GSXR shock but since you say you have £400 then i would suggest you take up SV650Racer's offer. your shock will be built for you and your bike add to that the front springs and it will transform your bike. Nitron shocks hold their value so if you want to sell your bike say next year you will get around £250 for it and £50 for the springs (keep your old shock and springs) so you would only be spending £160. if you plan on keeping your bike for a good while then you will be rewarded with a better bike. the SV is an absolute cracking bike once the suspension is sorted out. ooohhh and the Nitron is a straight drop in with no modification or cutting things. out the box and they are usually spot on and don't need adjusted.
honestly if i had a bit more money i would but i need new sprockets n chain and have just spent 200 so my only option is a second hand shock off a different bike.
just to clarify, i have a pointy k3 and from what ive researched and heard the shock off a 2006-8 zzr1400 will be perfect for me?
chester_dio
26-07-12, 09:40 PM
Didn't you just read my post? Yes it will be perfect.
JasonH_
26-07-12, 09:41 PM
Didn't you just read my post? Yes it will be perfect.
sweet thanks mate :)
chester_dio
26-07-12, 09:45 PM
Just make sure you buy the bottom bolt along with the shock. You are going to need it. Here is a walkthrough:
http://www.svrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80387
it is for the zx10r shock but as I said zx14 is identical in shape.
JasonH_
26-07-12, 09:48 PM
Just make sure you buy the bottom bolt along with the shock. You are going to need it. Here is a walkthrough:
http://www.svrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80387
it is for the zx10r shock but as I said zx14 is identical in shape.
thanks for that. already downloaded it from another post :) hopefully will be able to find one cheap enought
JasonH_
26-07-12, 10:00 PM
this okay?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120943903295?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch% 2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D120943903295%26_rdc %3D1
chester_dio
26-07-12, 10:02 PM
yeap
JasonH_
26-07-12, 10:03 PM
yeap
sweet thanks again!:cheers:[-o<
Just make sure you buy the bottom bolt along with the shock. You are going to need it. Here is a walkthrough:
http://www.svrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80387
it is for the zx10r shock but as I said zx14 is identical in shape.
This is also the guide I used and as chester_dio says, the process is going to be exactly the same for the zzr shock. Best walk through I came accross when searching to do my swap :thumright:
Typical innit! When I was looking could I find a ZZR 1400 shock?
One last piece of advice squire. Get that shock checked over before you put it in. Even if you've got a bargain you might find that there isn't much life left in it and it requires a refurb. These shocks are completely serviceable (unlike the sealed SV OEM crap) and, because its one of those things you don't wanna be thinking about again for a long time, its best to put it on when its in the best condition.
Good luck and good riding buddy.
Typical innit! When I was looking could I find a ZZR 1400 shock?
Ha ha, only reason I didn't suggest this one was cause I thought they were like rocking horse s***.
Good find :)
JasonH_
28-07-12, 11:18 PM
thanks for the help guys. i have bought that shock off ebay, just waiting for it to arrive and get it checked over
appreciate all the advice given and will update you on my progress :)
JasonH_
22-08-12, 10:53 PM
update guys. fitted the shock today got it checked out and serviced before fitting so took a while, took it out for a run today and it feels absolutely amazing!! nice ride height and is perfect for me, required no cutting or anythin!
dirtyred619
22-08-12, 11:07 PM
update guys. fitted the shock today got it checked out and serviced before fitting so took a while, took it out for a run today and it feels absolutely amazing!! nice ride height and is perfect for me, required no cutting or anythin!
That's good as I've got the same shock to fit hopefully this weekend. Did you get the swing arm and linkage with your shock, you should able to sell them and recoup some of the costs of the shock.
JasonH_
22-08-12, 11:41 PM
That's good as I've got the same shock to fit hopefully this weekend. Did you get the swing arm and linkage with your shock, you should able to sell them and recoup some of the costs of the shock.
yeah i did buddy, guna clean em up and bang em for sale :D did you get the bolts with the shock you bought? also i found that i needed a few washers to even out the spacing on both sides of the bolt at the bottom. i hope this makes sense?
dirtyred619
23-08-12, 08:50 AM
yeah i did buddy, guna clean em up and bang em for sale :D did you get the bolts with the shock you bought? also i found that i needed a few washers to even out the spacing on both sides of the bolt at the bottom. i hope this makes sense?
Yeah I got the bolt and the linkage which is up for sale as we speak!
So you mean there was a bit of play/gap between the bottom of the shock and the linkage I think? Was wondering whether that would be the case or not but obviously wouldn't have found out til I tried to fit it. How many did you have to use and what size I'll find/buy some before I fit the shock at weekend?
dirtyred619
23-08-12, 10:42 AM
Actually would you be able to post a pic off the bottom off the shock fitted just to see what you've done, think I get you though.
chester_dio
23-08-12, 03:17 PM
The washers must go between the head or the bolt and the bottom or the shock. That is because the bolt is too long and it will not clear the dogbone. once you assemble it you will understand. all you need is 2 1mm washers.
dirtyred619
23-08-12, 09:16 PM
So from my very technical diagram on the picture below, I would put the washers where arrows 1 are pointing rather than where arrows 2 are pointing?
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x463/dirtyred1978/fac9ef29ba5de316ecf1ede85d39df06.jpg
Should there be any gap/play at all at the top and the bottom off the shock however small?
chester_dio
24-08-12, 09:41 AM
No you put both washers on left (in this diagram) number 1. That is both on the bolt head side, not the nut side.Don't worry about the gap its normal.
dirtyred619
24-08-12, 12:17 PM
No you put both washers on left (in this diagram) number 1. That is both on the bolt head side, not the nut side.Don't worry about the gap its normal.
Thanks for that, sure I'd of figured it out but just wanted to be sure before I make a start.
Sorry for reviving an older thread, but this situation is what I am in now. I was just wondering though where the OP got his 2nd hand shock serviced? How much did it cost and how long did it take to do please?
Ta
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