Possible gearbox problem?

[TCochrane]

Another problem with my 650s...

Changing into neutral from 1st is extremely difficult when the engine is on. It hurts my foot trying to force the lever up into neutral. The clutch is fully in as far as it'll go and engine is idling. I've tried moving the wheels a bit in case its caught or something, revving it.. but its just too stiff.
When the engine is off however, it glides into neutral like I imagine it probably should.

Also, clicking down into first while moving is stiff.

Is there a synchromesh on the 650s gearbox? Could that be a possible problem?

Help :S

[Jammy]

Ive gota say, in my experience and from speaking to others with suzukis, you generally have to rock the bike forward and backward aggressively to get it to slip into neutral whilst your idleing. You could also try reducing the freeplay of the clutch ?

[TCochrane]

How do i reduce the freeplay in the clutch?

[Thunderace]

Sounds like your clutch not engaging properly.

[Mark_h]

Or chain tension or oil level but seeing as you never listen to me I'll let you rebuild the gearbox first :)

[DJ123]

What's your oil level at? Having at excess oil in the gearbox can prevent it from shifting when stationary.

[Mark_h]

Ive gota say, in my experience and from speaking to others with suzukis, you generally have to rock the bike forward and backward aggressively to get it to slip into neutral whilst your idleing.

That's rubbish! Only if it's not set up right. Or laying on its side on the driveway covered in soapy water!

[Jammy]

Got to say I've now got this problem...arrived at my dads house in Croydon and adjusted the clutch at the lever because low down changes felt awful...now can't get it into neutral whilst idling atall. tried adjusting it at the lever and it doesn't work.... Going to check the oil level (bit high) and adjust the cable at the gearbox end when i get back home....Also going to wd40 everything ;)

[DJ123]

if you're adjusting the clutch do the worm screw, gearbox end of the cable then the lever end. Search on here how to do it properly.

WD40 will only clean it, not grease it. You want to grease/oil/lubricate the cable

[Jammy]

Yeah that's what I meant...I've read many many pages on the forum haha. Would engine oil work well? I've got a bit left from my last batch

[timwilky]

If you think the gear change stiff. It is worthwhile checking the lever has not corroded within the pivot hole. This is common and causes it to bind to the foot pedal.

Take care removing the fibre bush as they are brittle and cannot be bought as a separate item.

[Thunderace]

It would lube it, but it's a bit thick nip into a homebase or similar and get some 3in1 or some chainsaw oil (top tip from the GM Yoda), cheap and will fit under your seat/in a pocket to get it home!

[Jammy]

You're still on the 'cheap fix first' hype ain't ya. Don't worry...I am learning - gradually

[Thunderace]

You're still on the 'cheap fix first' hype ain't ya. Don't worry...I am learning - gradually

Mate if your getting paid enough to waste cash feel free! And it's not all about cheap it's about starting simple rather than diving in head first! I'm hoping you would rather be riding than waiting for a phone call from a garage?

If you think the gear change stiff. It is worthwhile checking the lever has not corroded within the pivot hole. This is common and causes it to bind to the foot pedal.

Take care removing the fibre bush as they are brittle and cannot be bought as a separate item.

This is also fine advice, but judging from your recent activities, just take it to Motts in Basingstoke and have them fit a new clutch and gearbox, it wont cost much more than a bottle of chainsaw oil!:smt019

[Jammy]

Why so mean D;

[Jammy]

Guess I had it coming with my not so orange paint job

[Thunderace]

After Bodmin it wont be orange, It'll be caked with half a million dead flying beasties, copious amounts of road dirt and brake dust!:D