Braking before corners

[Wideboy]

without adding fuel, most professional racers (i.e. TT riders) have learnt what they have from watching and following the other riders.

and most of them say this in interviews

[Thunderace]

Oh I doubt it, not technically, even an imbecile would be harsh. A moron at worst.


Technically.

His credulity suggests it anyway. I suppose the one thing that riding on a track helps with is usually there's a lot of people to learn from riding right in front of you. So that is learning from others, basically what we're suggesting when we say following mark.

Firstly HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!:D

Secondly-yes sage advice for any noob, meet Mr h or similar and follow and watch.

[Thunderace]

Well that seems to have put an end to a rather rambling thread!:rolleyes:

[Spank86]

Sorry.

I'll play nice next time before I get a reputation.


But I should point out I was being semi complementary

[Wideboy]

semi


snigger :lol:

[Tomor]

wow.

[Thunderace]

Sorry.

I'll play nice next time before I get a reputation.


But I should point out I was being semi complementary

Stuff him Ad he was clearly being a tit and you called him on it!

For once I was playing nice and you typed what I wanted to!;)

[Spank86]

Not really, an idiots worse than a moron, much worse.


At least under Goddards classification system,

[Jammy]

I watched a dvd over Xmas about Rossi.

Am i fast yet?

[Thunderace]

I watched a dvd over Xmas about Rossi.

Am i fast yet?

Well done Jammy point proven methinks!;)

[Tomor]

I watched a dvd over Xmas about Rossi.

Am i fast yet?

not only are you now quick as hell, you also have some serious skills..... just need the right bike....and tyres...and noone in your way...

[Fallout]

You lot banging on need to be careful. People are going to scrutinize all us GMers at the AR and be decidedly unimpressed. We really are not very fast. We ain't noobs, and we ain't slow, but we ain't that fast!

[Spank86]

I'm very fast... Just ask my ex girlfriend.

[DJ123]

You lot banging on need to be careful. People are going to scrutinize all us GMers at the AR and be decidedly unimpressed. We really are not very fast. We ain't noobs, and we ain't slow, but we ain't that fast!

At no point have we claimed we are! We have fun and we're safe, don't need much more than that when out on 2 wheels.

[Fallout]

To quote Nathan ...

I am now pretty smooth and very fast, as are most of the GM after various tid bits of advice from Mark! Cheers DAD!;)

[DJ123]

The AR ride isn't about speed, just a large ride out, showing off our roads and socialising.

[Fallout]

I know, but while most of us know we aren't road Rossi's, this thread is starting to make it sound like we think we are! :)

[Spank86]

Smooth as a rhinoceros' scrotum sack more like.

[Thunderace]

C'mon Si don't be shy, we aint the fastest by any stretch, but how many peeps have been out with us and been decidedly off the pace?

And Jobs right we are sensible fast, no dodgy overtakes or overcooked corners. (That left hander on the death road does not count! Does it Spank?)

[Spank86]

A few, and I have yet to have anyone directly in front of me on one of our unleashed roads that's made ME feel off the pace.


But I've still got a lot of work to let Me consider myself fast.

[Fallout]

Yeah, we tend to be stopped and having a fag before the occasional attendees catch up, so I agree we are more rapid than average, but they are generally not in the groove. I just prefer to be humble and give people no expectations than be billy big balls and have some impossible image to live up to. :D

[Thunderace]

Well you have been quite slow since you bought the shed!:rolleyes:

I ride a medieval Thunderace as does Spank and Gav.

Tom hits deer.

Mark just wants to have fun.

Laurie never shows up.

Jobs perpetual topbox causes serious drag.

And Jammy...................

Wow we really are crap aren't we!

[Spank86]

Your mate with the speed triple was fast though.

[Thunderace]

What Matt lacks in skill he makes up for with 0% sense of self preservation!;)

[Fallout]

One day we'll have to go to a traffic free proving ground. There's always and excuse when one person gets somewhere after someone else, and it's always 'traffic'!

[Tomor]

yehn i blame traffic, not bimbling not bothering to over take for fear of hitting another deer. if that happens again, i am calling it quits..................and getting a 1000cc

[Fallout]

Get a busa mate. It's the mature sensible choice.

[Spank86]

Yup, and then add some metal to the front. A nice big cow catcher should do the job.

[Wideboy]

You lot aren't very crap, certainly ridden with far worse people. I'd say for the speed that you lot ride your actually pretty good as its constant and flowing even in traffic, none of this gas and brake gas and brake business.

Now this is going to be controversial. Some of the worse people I've riden with have to have been on some of the AR's and bigger org rides. Not talking slow, I mean just general brake stabbing, calving up, not looking ect. Really crap riding. Probably on the level with scoot chavs

[ClunkintheUK]

+1. To the whole thread really.

Also impressed at the self control (I have none i'm afraid) no-one pointed out that Mikey in his post to prove that Stoner taught himself everything said that his Dad taught him to crash properly. Sounds like getting advice from someone you trust.

Any chance of a noob joining you when there is less risk of ice?

[Spank86]

We're happy to have anyone join us whenever and for as long as you like.

[Runako]

So where are all these videos of the GM's riding then?

[Spank86]

So where are all these videos of the GM's riding then?
Hiding from the police until such time as we can stop Fallout from pulling impromptu wheelies.

[Fallout]

So where are all these videos of the GM's riding then?

I don't film GM rides any more. There's only a certain amount of times you can film the same people on the same roads before it gets boring. The Drift is reserved for trips/holidays and special events. It'll be out for the AR. Normal rides at a normal pace just don't make for interesting viewing! :smt102

[Wideboy]

In other words its set up in his guest toilet

[Fallout]

Don't be stupid Gav. I only have one toilet, so it's set up for me too. It's healthy to document your bowel movements.

[Wideboy]

And kinky

[Thunderace]

I don't film GM rides any more. There's only a certain amount of times you can film the same people on the same roads before it gets boring. The Drift is reserved for trips/holidays and special events. It'll be out for the AR. Normal rides at a normal pace just don't make for interesting viewing! :smt102

Do you still have the vid with me taking traffic islands correctly:---) and being naughty on Bognor seafront?

[DJ123]

So where are all these videos of the GM's riding then?

Here;

http://www.youtube.com/feed/UC8pYaQzbBBXg9GIOHRvTmDQ

;)

[Spank86]

Probably but you know what they say about conservatory dwellers.

[Thunderace]

Probably but you know what they say about conservatory dwellers.

Ha just deleted that post, just in case the character in question decides to post more dribble!

[Fallout]

Do you still have the vid with me taking traffic islands correctly:---) and being naughty on Bognor seafront?

Nope. It all takes up too much space to keep it hanging around. If it doesn't make it to YouTube it dies a horrible death. I have two vids marked as GM ORG vids and that Yately Help For Heroes ride .... the one where you almost rear ended a Busa. :p

[orose]

Did he seriously suggest that brakes are the best way to get correct entry speed for a corner?

Certainly an effective way to shave off speed, but alas a lot less fun than getting it right in the first place, must be watching that piece of tarmac 10ft in front of the bike?

As is usually the case, there are many schools of thought on the subject. In a strict interpretation of the riding system, adjusting your speed for the hazard ahead should be done prior to changing into the appropriate gear (and after moving into the correct road position), which implies that you should use the brakes. If you follow that school of thought then that would be "getting it right", and you can do both that and still maintain proper observations.

Note: I don't advocate doing this myself, but I have had it suggested to me by those who should know the system better than anyone else...

[Thunderace]

I used to be a big fan of the brakes, but a good many rides with an IAM observer has changed my riding, I'm not as quick as I used to be in a straight line, but am now faster everywhere else and having a lot more fun, if your not gurning like an idiot when you remove your helmet, your doing it wrong!

[orose]

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't assume that there is only one path to enlightenment (other than the one you're riding on). For the record, we had the discussion at an observer training session, and it was met with much the same response there as well.

[21QUEST]

Every so stated 'right way' exists to be tweaked into your own personal 'right'...in other words, I make my own rules.

What I do depends on the corner, how I'm feeling, road conditions, the way I like my bikes setup(if adjustable).

If there were only one correct way, then all racers short, tall or inbetween would ride exactly teh same way. It's no different when it comes to road riding.

As Casey Stone once said and I paraphrase "No one can really teach you how to ride...YOU have to find you own way of doing it" .

[21QUEST]

He's likely to read it by "accident", can't help himself. Funny thing is you're both making the same point but in different ways. At some point a newbie will no longer be a newbie, just an experienced rider with bad habits or a good rider. How they get there can only really be done through experience. Some things are definately down to preference or recommended best practice but there is never just one way.

For example, Keith Code recommends blipping. I was fascinated with this as a new rider. The concept is easy enough to understand but the technique a little harder to get ride. But what the vid does not and maybe cannot explain is how using the technique affects a V-Twin differently from an I4. Because of engine braking the back is more likely to lock up or skip when blipping from very high RPM's. Therefore it might be smoother for some to practice feathering the clutch rather than letting it out quickly. Of course, learning to do this in a way which is comfortable for each rider is very subjective and down to an individuals "feel" for what works for him/her.

The same goes for any technique. There are some things that work better than others but how to get to that point is sometimes down to the individual and will always require a it of trial and error. Having the opportunity to observe someone demonstrating a good technique helps as its puts the concept into practice and demonstrates what to do/what not to do. The open/neutral throttle thing is one of the most difficult to demonstrate and any new rider putting this into practice for the first time will have to trust the technique and do it before realising it will work for them.

Back to the original topic, I'll brake decreasing radius corners where I can see the 'limit point' going away from me. Otherwise I don't generally need to because of the engine braking. And, as I said I do use some back brake if necessary in a corner if I've got it wrong.
Runako, a very good post ....pretty much spot on, for me :)

[Fallout]

Happened upon this today. At 8 mins even the rozzers on bike save are banging on about braking. Just thought it worth a mention.

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