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Hi all, I was going to go and buy a paddock stand from my local shop tomorrow but about ten more mins up the road and I would be at Abba so was wondering if they are worth the extra dosh?
Are they stable enough to work on the bike safely?
Thanks for your replys.
maviczap
15-01-13, 04:43 PM
Yes, every penny
Completely worth it. If you're going to get serious with pulling the bike to bits look at a headstock stand too.
absolutely fantastic bits of kit, can be had cheap on ebay too...wish I'd thought of looking there before I bought off Abba haha
I'll be buying the front end lifting kit for when I eventually do the gsxr front end conversion
If you see one going cheap on ebay or gum tree but for the wrong bike, buy it then but the correct adaptor pins for it. I think the stand is the same apart from a few exotic single-siders.
BEWARE they also sell lifts for off-roaders. They are NOT what you are looking for. Neither is the front lifter thing that lifts on the exhaust header.
yeah it's just the connecting bolts/pins that you need, I believe the stand itself is universal minus SSSA bikes. they're honestly brilliant bits of kit. I'll also be buying the swing arm removal kit at some point as I bet it's gagging for a bit of loobing up;)
Biker Biggles
15-01-13, 05:14 PM
Yes get one.
yorkie_chris
15-01-13, 06:09 PM
yeah it's just the connecting bolts/pins that you need, I believe the stand itself is universal minus SSSA bikes. they're honestly brilliant bits of kit. I'll also be buying the swing arm removal kit at some point as I bet it's gagging for a bit of loobing up;)
No they still work on SSSA, pin still goes through frame...
Specialone
15-01-13, 06:47 PM
I've got this one...
http://www.ghostbikes.com/products/ghostbikes.com-brands-motrax/1250-motrax-aluminium-rear-paddock-stand.html
Cracking bit of kit even though the ripped daviesv's fixer peg idea off :mad:
yorkie_chris
15-01-13, 07:05 PM
They ripped harris' idea off as well!
Specialone
15-01-13, 07:19 PM
They ripped harris' idea off as well!
Don't know about that one :confused:
maviczap
15-01-13, 07:22 PM
Doesn't say which model, but this one has SV adaptors included
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Abba-Motorcycle-Stand-with-Suzuki-SV650s-fitting-kit-/121051721971?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item1c2f3eb0f3
Collection only though
yorkie_chris
15-01-13, 07:23 PM
Don't know about that one :confused:
They were making those style paddock stands years ago.
Got one, thanks for the reply's.
Got it off fleabay it was just round the corner well sort of only £40 cash I will pop and get the fitting kit on my way home from work tomorrow then no doubt have a play lol
maviczap
15-01-13, 07:51 PM
I had some extra adaptors with my paddock stand when I got it off EBAY.
I took them to ABBA who kindly identified which model they were for, so I could sell them on EBAY.
Helpful people I found
Check out their new front lift device thingy when you go there.
One word of caution, if you've got the front wheel & forks off, put something under the engine to stop it tipping forward, you'll have to do this anyway to raise the front wheel to get it off.
£40 that's a good price
-Ralph-
15-01-13, 10:08 PM
Personally I think the Abba stand is a fantastic concept, but 100 odd quid for a couple of bits of square section mild steel, a mop handle, and some red paint????
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/283818/images/abba-superbike-stand.jpg
Not what I call value for money.
Very tempted to buy the adaptors but just make the rest myself. I think on my bike the adaptors could even be substituted for a cut-off allan key to save buying them.
I had some extra adaptors with my paddock stand when I got it off EBAY.
I took them to ABBA who kindly identified which model they were for, so I could sell them on EBAY.
Helpful people I found
Check out their new front lift device thingy when you go there.
One word of caution, if you've got the front wheel & forks off, put something under the engine to stop it tipping forward, you'll have to do this anyway to raise the front wheel to get it off.
£40 that's a good price
Their simple front lifter is not recommended for twins. It lifts by the exhaust headers and is usually spread across more than one which is a tad tricky on a V2. You can get a head lifter for under £50 or perhaps -Ralph- can knock one up for you after he's built his abba.
-Ralph-
15-01-13, 10:22 PM
Or use a small bottle jack under the engine block.
cb1000rsteve
15-01-13, 10:45 PM
I have an abba stand for my cb1r and to lift the front I use a jack on bottom of the engine to get front wheel off the ground. Works with a normal front paddock stand if you are only changing the front wheel. Hell of a lot easier to use on your own than a normal paddock stand.
chris8886
16-01-13, 12:37 AM
Personally I think the Abba stand is a fantastic concept, but 100 odd quid for a couple of bits of square section mild steel, a mop handle, and some red paint????
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/283818/images/abba-superbike-stand.jpg
Not what I call value for money.
Very tempted to buy the adaptors but just make the rest myself. I think on my bike the adaptors could even be substituted for a cut-off allan key to save buying them.
you tight ar5E ralph, though i can't say that i disagree with you!! lol ;)
Sid Squid
16-01-13, 01:43 AM
If you can find one, buy an NWS stand instead - it's better.
_Stretchie_
16-01-13, 10:00 AM
I've got an Abba stand with about six different adapters and it fits most bikes, SV's curvy and pointy, 929 Blade, BlackBird, CBR400, Ninja G2, CB750, ER6f (I think)
Great bit of kit, I wouldn't be without it
Its only ever worth it when you need it and it makes a job better. If taking of the rear wheel, chain, subframe without hassle its worth it.
Owenski
16-01-13, 10:31 AM
To answer the question: Abba stand are they worth the money? I'd have to honestly say no.
If you're buying it new its £100, you'll then want the SV fittings kit thats another £25, and/or the Swing arm removal kit is another £25, if you want to get the front wheel off you also need something else which used to be a headstock paddock stand but now you have the abba arm which is another £50
So would I consider £200 "worth the money" I certainly would not, not when for £30 and a bit of your own time you can get the front and rear off the ground using just timber.
This subject has been mentioned before and as I said before... watch this space.
yorkie_chris
16-01-13, 10:52 AM
It's bloody cold in my garage at the moment but I now have power (muahahah never a good idea) and weldy kit set up... getting there slowly...
Owenski
16-01-13, 10:56 AM
Aye maria said the power man was there the other day.
Judging by the welding setup pic you sent me I assumed we were heading towards a weekend at your labour camp again soon enough.
yorkie_chris
16-01-13, 10:58 AM
Indeed, come, peasants, to YC's new gulag of doom, the happiest frozen hell hole on earth :-P
£80 delivered incl the SV adaptor (no swingarm kit). Agreed, adapters & extra's can be expensive. However for this price & the fact its been on the bike for weeks whilst I work on all the bits and peices, solid as a rock, its worth it. If I had the skills or means to mod something up I would. If I saw a better alternative I'd consider it. But for ease of use and cost (what I paid) it was worth it.
hindle8907
16-01-13, 11:40 AM
yes
Owenski
16-01-13, 11:44 AM
£80 delivered incl the SV adaptor (no swingarm kit). Agreed, adapters & extra's can be expensive.
If I saw a better alternative I'd consider it. But for ease of use and cost (what I paid) it was worth it.
Selected from your post that's what proves my thinking on the "worth the money" Its not that its good value, its not that its faultless engineering its just because there isn't a competitor to it. There used to be the NWS and although they were a better products for a similar price they didn't have the versatility of the Abba and died out.
Thats not to say the Abba is brilliant, its unnervingly unstable, extraordinarily over priced and next to useless without additional spending. In fact if you're not buying it with the swing arm kit its no more beneficial than a bog standard paddock stand which could be bought for half the price. I'd have one second hand, especially at the £40 that the OP obtained his for but purely because it has the option to be versatile even if out of the box its nothing more than a paddock stand.
Sorry this is starting to feel like a proper abba rate lol, basically to me if it were possible for someone to construct a unit which came able to lift both the front and back (so fully suspend a bike) for under £100 including shipping it'd be worth a look for sure.
Out of interest where do you find the £80 stand? All I see is:
http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
thats £99.95 for the Abba with SV adaptor, plus £14.95 if you want the swing arm tool.
Doinitmyway
16-01-13, 12:53 PM
I will be picking a new one up this weekend. I need to change the spring in an R6 shock I have fitted to my FZR400RR. Without an Abba I cant see how i could raise the back of the bike and get the job done 'on my own'.
For what it would cost if i was to go 'f___ it' and let someone else do the job, it would cost near the same. As with most things like this it will pay for itself over time with the more jobs I can do with it.
Having the Abba will also mean I can get rid of the front headstock stand I have (which doesn't tuck away in as half a small place as the abba in my smallish shed).
Luckily Abba are relatively just down the road too:thumright:
Chris
-Ralph-
16-01-13, 01:24 PM
Without an Abba I cant see how i could raise the back of the bike and get the job done 'on my own'
You've bought an ABBA already which is great, and it WILL make the job easier for you. Just in case you ever find you need to lift a second bike or something (this is intended to be a helpful post).
Put a pair of axle stands under the rear pillion footpeg hangers.
Push the bike over to the left onto front wheel and sidestand, put the axle stand in under the right footpeg hanger. Walk round the bike and jack up the other side until your other footpeg hanger is high enough to get the axle stand under that.
If you need to go higher still, jack under one side, remove the pin from the axle stand, jack up one hole, replace pin, remove jack, repeat on other side.
I don't have a picture of that, but I'm sure someone can point to one already on the forum
If you need to work on the front you can do the same at the front by putting a piece of metal bar through the hole in the front of the engine casings. I do have a picture of that
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd82/colinbal4/P1000957.jpg
And my XT I remove the rear end this way
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd82/colinbal4/XT600/SNC001091.jpg
-Ralph-
16-01-13, 01:29 PM
There is a difference between something being 'worth it' and something being 'value for money'.
When your dog's about to die even a £1000 vets bill for a 30 minute operation and a course of medication can be worth it.
Look at what an Abba stand actually is and compare manufacturing costs and sell price, it's not value for money. They could sell them at half the price and still make a very tidy profit thank you very much. They charge what they charge because they can get away with it. That's because like the majority of responses in this thread, their customers consider that it's 'worth it'
yorkie_chris
16-01-13, 01:40 PM
Mine's paid for itself loads of times over but I do use it on customers bikes.
I'm not sure about abbas manufacturing costs, I'd suggest it would come down to the costs of the turned pieces and whether they have their own machines or farm them out.
-Ralph-
16-01-13, 02:59 PM
Mine's paid for itself loads of times over but I do use it on customers bikes.
I'm not sure about abbas manufacturing costs, I'd suggest it would come down to the costs of the turned pieces and whether they have their own machines or farm them out.
Other than the adaptors (I think that's the only turned pieces, and at the end of the day they are only a glorified socket to go over the swingarm bolt, or a glorified allen key to go in it), there's not much there other than square section steel, hollow section bar, a couple of handles, a couple of screw threads.
Nothing you don't get on a cheapo ebay paddock stand for £30 quid.
I'm going to get some offcuts off ebay and make one, just to see how much it costs. If I get enough materials for two and you do the welding you can have one of them!
craig dow
16-01-13, 03:00 PM
i have the best set up for working on my bike in my shed , i have a 4x4 fence post across roof , and got a rachet strap of my mate thats a lorry driver , cost me nothing , have both wheels of ground , for weeks , no problems at all , and cost less then £20 for the post ,
-Ralph-
16-01-13, 03:09 PM
i have the best set up for working on my bike in my shead , i have a 4x4 fence post across roof , and got a rachet strap of my mate thats a lorry driver , cost me nothing , have both wheels of ground , for weeks , no problems at all , and cost less then £20 for the post ,
Bit difficult to get purchase on a sprocket nut with the bike swinging from the ceiling mind you!
Other than the adaptors (I think that's the only turned pieces, and at the end of the day they are only a glorified socket to go over the swingarm bolt, or a glorified allen key to go in it), there's not much there other than square section steel, hollow section bar, a couple of handles, a couple of screw threads.
Nothing you don't get on a cheapo ebay paddock stand for £30 quid.
I'm going to get some offcuts off ebay and make one, just to see how much it costs. If I get enough materials for two and you do the welding you can have one of them!
And only about £40 of actual materials in an iPhone. Any chance you could knock me up one of those when you're done too.
-Ralph-
16-01-13, 04:36 PM
or perhaps -Ralph- can knock one up for you after he's built his abba
And only about £40 of actual materials in an iPhone. Any chance you could knock me up one of those when you're done too.
Are you just on a mission to annoy me now since I don't agree a forum threads a good way to get riding advice?
Are you just on a mission to annoy me now since I don't agree a forum threads a good way to get riding advice?
Nothing to do with the riding thread, more the tone of your responses to this particular thread.
OP asks if Abbas are good and in general the response is they are expensive but more useful than a rear stand and if you get one for a different bike you can get the correct adapters. - Useful advice - You come back with why don't you just make one. I suspect 90% of us on here would not be able to do that but you can (good for you) Nothing to stop you also knocking up a front lift too based on that just being a bunch of tubing too.
You then continue to point out that the components that make an abba stand cost less than an abba stand. The same can be said of pretty much everything that is assembled. To say that it should cost no more than the cost of it's component parts is a daft statement.
So yes I was having a bit of a poke about your responses but that was in response to this thread and this thread alone.
Just consider that most of the folks on here are not scrapheap challenge types and just want to know whether to buy product A or B.
Personally I use an Abba and a headstock stand, they work well for me and for those that have borrowed them. Should they get stolen I'd buy them again.
Not going to get into a fight about it, no biggie, unsubscribing etc etc etc.
I use my Abba stand alot and consider I've had my money's worth. I've got two sets of adapters - for the SV and RGV - one from each set also lifts the Fireblade so I didn't need to buy a new set of adapters. I've got the footpeg bolts for swingarm removal which means you can lift pretty much anything.
Worth the money? Dunno. If the question was, does it do what it's supposed to then it undoubtedly does. You then just need to decide if you'll use it enough to justify parting with the brass.
"Value for money" or "worth it" is entirely subjective (and fairly dependent on how much money you've got) but surely it's not surprising that it costs more than the sum of its parts? As simple as it is, someone had to invent the thing, get a patent on it, spend money getting it ready for market with no certain return, set up a business, market the product, see off some competition along the way. That's what the extra margin is for. You can copy their product for cheaper but that doesn't make them a rip off IMO.
I've not been averse to using bits of wood, step ladders, bags of compost and ratchet straps to get the job done, but by the time I've lashed up some Heath Robinson affair I could have had the bike on the Abba stand and be half way through a brew.
It's worth it for me, but I like to tinker beyond routine maintenance. If you're going to lube the chain and change the oil then you probably won't get a lot of utility from the stand. If you're going to rebuild bikes, or even just follow the proper maintenance schedule, then it's very useful but not entirely essential.
Anyway, hundred quid? I'll **** half that up the wall this Friday. :D
-Ralph-
16-01-13, 05:33 PM
OP asks if Abbas are good
No, he asked if they were worth the extra money.
so was wondering if they are worth the extra dosh?
You come back with why don't you just make one.
Where did I suggest that Disco2 should go make one?
In response to the OP's question, I thought I'd said that I didn't think they represented good value for money, having given a reason why, and that I was pretty tempted to go make one for myself.
Personally I think the Abba stand is a fantastic concept, but 100 odd quid for a couple of bits of square section mild steel, a mop handle, and some red paint????
Not what I call value for money.
Very tempted to buy the adaptors but just make the rest myself
Yep that's exactly what I said.
To say that it should cost no more than the cost of it's component parts is a daft statement
Where did I make that statement?
Look at what an Abba stand actually is and compare manufacturing costs and sell price, it's not value for money. They could sell them at half the price and still make a very tidy profit thank you very much. They charge what they charge because they can get away with it. That's because like the majority of responses in this thread, their customers consider that it's 'worth it'
No, just as I thought, I didn't.
The other thread Mark, get over it. This thread, nothing's been done to rattle your cage, grow up.
-Ralph-
16-01-13, 05:36 PM
"Value for money" or "worth it" is entirely subjective (and fairly dependent on how much money you've got) but surely it's not surprising that it costs more than the sum of its parts? As simple as it is, someone had to invent the thing, get a patent on it, spend money getting it ready for market with no certain return, set up a business, market the product, see off some competition along the way. That's what the extra margin is for. You can copy their product for cheaper but that doesn't make them a rip off IMO.
If ABBA were my business I'd be doing exactly the same, maximising profits is the raison d'etre. I agree with Owenski though that if there were some competitive products on the market it would force the price down. I suspect ABBA probably have some kind of patent on lifting by the swingarm pivot though, and good on them.
Got the fitting kit and used it to fit the lift kit I had bought.
Found the stand to be excellent and held the bike nice and stable very happy with it.
All in all it cost me £55 so I think ii did ok.
Thanks for the replys.
Spank86
16-01-13, 06:03 PM
Capitalist theory would suggest that if they were significantly overpriced someone would turn up to fill the niche with a lower priced alternative.
-Ralph-
16-01-13, 06:06 PM
Capitalist theory would suggest that if they were significantly overpriced someone would turn up to fill the niche with a lower priced alternative.
Or another product that beats it at the same price. Maybe somebody will. Depends exactly what ABBA have the patent on I guess.
Spank86
16-01-13, 06:13 PM
Do you know if there are any other products out there that will perform the same function for less?
Having had a peruse of the abba website it appears that there wasn't in 1992 when he started but I wouldn't think they'd be able to patent something so simple in its entirety, although obviously they COULD patent bits and bobs.
-Ralph-
16-01-13, 06:33 PM
NWS Ulti-Pro
They made all kinds of paddock stands, but the Ulti Pro was basically just another big G-clamp type design.
The company was sold and the buyer had no interest in continuing to make motorcycle stands, discontinued the whole range.
like any tool you get what you pay for. i have never heard anyone say they have broken their abba stand and to me that says it all. they do what they were designed to do very very well and like all good tools you only buy it once.
when i got mine it was delivered with a bent stay and with one phone call i had another at my door the next day then via email they organized a courier to pick up the bent one, all this was FOC.
as for an increase in price, well the price of the raw material has gone up so the end product goes up. they have to pay wages, BOC contract fees, lighting, heat, rates, plant, building rent, insurance and make a profit.
yes i could have gone down the workshop and made myself one in fact i could have made a stainless steel one (and i'm very capable of doing so) and saved a bundle but why bother when you can help keep a member of the British public in employment.
yes they are very easy to make and have a few design faults but that's due to ease of manufacture than anything.
why make life hard when you don't need to and pizzing about with Heath Robinson contraptions to save a few £. buy cheap buy twice.
the biggest thing i can say about the abba stand compared to other stands is that it's safer to use and you no longer have to do the paddock stand shuffle.
maviczap
16-01-13, 07:46 PM
like any tool you get what you pay for. i have never heard anyone say they have broken their abba stand and to me that says it all. they do what they were designed to do very very well and like all good tools you only buy it once.
when i got mine it was delivered with a bent stay and with one phone call i had another at my door the next day then via email they organized a courier to pick up the bent one, all this was FOC.
as for an increase in price, well the price of the raw material has gone up so the end product goes up. they have to pay wages, BOC contract fees, lighting, heat, rates, plant, building rent, insurance and make a profit.
yes i could have gone down the workshop and made myself one in fact i could have made a stainless steel one (and i'm very capable of doing so) and saved a bundle but why bother when you can help keep a member of the British public in employment.
yes they are very easy to make and have a few design faults but that's due to ease of manufacture than anything.
why make life hard when you don't need to and pizzing about with Heath Robinson contraptions to save a few £. buy cheap buy twice.
the biggest thing i can say about the abba stand compared to other stands is that it's safer to use and you no longer have to do the paddock stand shuffle.
+1
I can't believe some of the utter tripe I've read today on this thread today.
Some of the heath robinson methods of supporting are ok, but what a faff, plus the cost of buying the bits to do the supporting.
I've tried the heath robinson methods, thanks I'll take the ABBA stand, its on and in place in less than 2 mins
Some of you seem to think that they are making an absolute killing by selling this product.
We'll if you've visited their premises you'd see that its basically a big garage, with a few engineering machines. Probably a bit like YC's set up.
I didn't see any Rollers or Bentley's, with reserved parking for the MD
Its a father and son business, plus a secretary.
The stands are made in house, as are the adaptors, not farmed out to the far East factories
So that's 3 UK based jobs to start with.
The stands are powder coated at Maldon Shotblasters and Powder coaters. I know I saw the finished article waiting to be collected.
So supporting another local UK business.
Sure as one wit suggested they could be made for half the cost, but you'd have them made in a Chinese factory, (who'd quickly copy your design) and all you'd need was a website and a storeroom with some stock.
No personal service, one UK job.
If there was good money in it, the NWS would still be in business.
Support your UK based business, don't winge about the cost of a well designed and quality product, unless you're quite happy to see if fabricated in the Far East.
5 grand superbike balanced on £30 axle stands :smt017
21QUEST
16-01-13, 09:48 PM
+1
i can't believe some of the utter tripe i've read today on this thread today.
Some of the heath robinson methods of supporting are ok, but what a faff, plus the cost of buying the bits to do the supporting.
I've tried the heath robinson methods, thanks i'll take the abba stand, its on and in place in less than 2 mins
some of you seem to think that they are making an absolute killing by selling this product.
We'll if you've visited their premises you'd see that its basically a big garage, with a few engineering machines. Probably a bit like yc's set up.
I didn't see any rollers or bentley's, with reserved parking for the md
its a father and son business, plus a secretary.
The stands are made in house, as are the adaptors, not farmed out to the far east factories
so that's 3 uk based jobs to start with.
The stands are powder coated at maldon shotblasters and powder coaters. I know i saw the finished article waiting to be collected.
So supporting another local uk business.
Sure as one wit suggested they could be made for half the cost, but you'd have them made in a chinese factory, (who'd quickly copy your design) and all you'd need was a website and a storeroom with some stock.
No personal service, one uk job.
If there was good money in it, the nws would still be in business.
Support your uk based business, don't winge about the cost of a well designed and quality product, unless you're quite happy to see if fabricated in the far east.
5 grand superbike balanced on £30 axle stands :smt017
like any tool you get what you pay for. I have never heard anyone say they have broken their abba stand and to me that says it all. They do what they were designed to do very very well and like all good tools you only buy it once.
When i got mine it was delivered with a bent stay and with one phone call i had another at my door the next day then via email they organized a courier to pick up the bent one, all this was foc.
As for an increase in price, well the price of the raw material has gone up so the end product goes up. They have to pay wages, boc contract fees, lighting, heat, rates, plant, building rent, insurance and make a profit.
Yes i could have gone down the workshop and made myself one in fact i could have made a stainless steel one (and i'm very capable of doing so) and saved a bundle but why bother when you can help keep a member of the british public in employment.
Yes they are very easy to make and have a few design faults but that's due to ease of manufacture than anything.
Why make life hard when you don't need to and pizzing about with heath robinson contraptions to save a few £. Buy cheap buy twice.
The biggest thing i can say about the abba stand compared to other stands is that it's safer to use and you no longer have to do the paddock stand shuffle.
=D> =D>
I'd love to say, I was as shocked by some of the fecal matter posted with regards the question of worth or value for money but I'm not.
Most of what you have both mentioned are quite plain to see/work out, from where I'm seating.
Even if it were £20, I'm sure there'd still be a chance of finding someone who'd be willing to show, it could be cheaper.....
I opened a right old can of worms with this :confused:
Basically im well chuffed with it and I also could have made one but as stated why bother. I have a welder and a s*** load of other tools.
Im a carpenter buy trade and learnt that buy cheap tools and they will brake and possibly brake a bit of you along with it.
Thing is if your happy and get on with your own way of lifting your pride and joy then that's great. Im happy with my Abba stand.
I showed it to mate mate who lifts his gsxr up with axel stands and wood his reply was and I quote, The guy who done my rear tyre had one of those things I sooner put the 1ner in my tank.
That's cool its up to him.
Each to our own I say.
Sid Squid
17-01-13, 06:11 PM
There used to be the NWS and although they were a better products for a similar price they didn't have the versatility of the Abba and died out.
:scratch: NWS significantly more versatile than Abba. Adaptors not required for vast majority of applications. Where needed, the only adaptors required are sockets.
Thats not to say the Abba is brilliant, its unnervingly unstable, extraordinarily over priced and next to useless without additional spendingAbba is not anywhere near as stable as NWS, and requires no additional spending.
NWS can still found occasionally if you look around, better value and better stand. I've owned both and sold the Abba.
maviczap
17-01-13, 06:55 PM
Basically im well chuffed with it and I also could have made one but as stated why bother. I have a welder and a s*** load of other tools.
Good which was the purpose of your original post, why it descended into an anti ABBA stand rant I don't know either :confused:
Another satisfied customer :takeabow:
maviczap
17-01-13, 07:00 PM
:scratch: NWS significantly more versatile than Abba. Adaptors not required for vast majority of applications. Where needed, the only adaptors required are sockets.
Abba is not anywhere near as stable as NWS, and requires no additional spending.
NWS can still found occasionally if you look around, better value and better stand. I've owned both and sold the Abba.
I can't disagree with you Sid, its a pity as to whoever has the rights to make the NWS doesn't sell them to someone who could make it.
I remember seeing the NWS stand, but at the time I didn't buy it, as I didn't know how handy it would be to have one.
But I'm satisfied with my ABBA
got mine from bike show at the Excel last year. Less than £100 including the fitting kit. If your anywhere near a bike show and Abba are there then get from them at a lot less price.
Out of interest where do you find the £80 stand? All I see is:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
thats £99.95 for the Abba with SV adaptor, plus £14.95 if you want the swing arm tool.
Visordown had a group buy and I just missed out. But ABBA sent me an email saying there were still some left so I negotiated to get the adaptors for free. Very good decision I think.
I also got the group buy, 65quid plus 5 quid post. Included the adapters aswell!!
There is a difference between something being 'worth it' and something being 'value for money'.
When your dog's about to die ...
Is that a real dog? Or is it like your made up Auntie?
I also got the group buy, 65quid plus 5 quid post. Included the adapters aswell!!
B@st@rd! ;)
Was it the NWS stands that had the conical adapters that effectively go in as far as they can until they hit the right diameter? If so surely it's not beyond the ability of one or more of the fabricators on there to knock up a tapered cone with a hole in it to take the Abba threaded bit then we're back to a universal stand with the option of custom fit adapters for the bikes you use most often.
Where's Biblio when you need him?
wonder how many members purchased on visordown to get a decent price.
there is nothing to stop org members getting together and doing a group buy. i'm sure ABBA would be more than helpful.
i actually like the look of their new adapter to lift the front. hhhmmm
i actually like the look of their new adapter to lift the front. hhhmmm
Yes! I'm on that Bibio. Organise it now!
i actually like the look of their new adapter to lift the front. hhhmmm
If the front lift is the weird narrow thing I looked at earlier in the year then it's not recommended for twins as it can't spread the load across enough exhaust metalwork.
Any chance of knocking up some generic cones to universalise the abbas? I'd still prefer to use custom adapters where possible as I suspect the y do less damage to the socket the go into but for occasional use on mates bikes seems a sensible way to go.
[Edit] here you go from Abba's own site.....
Will the front lift fit my bike...?
The abba front lift is designed to lift on the bottom of the exhaust pipes of a four cylinder machine where at least two pipes run parallel to create a flat lifting point. (On faired bikes there needs to be a 10+cm gap between the fairing for the front lift to locate up inside). The front lift is not suitable for V-twin engine motorcycles because of only one single front down pipe, or motorcycles with an unusual exhaust layout (i.e two pipes not running parallel)
Was it the NWS stands that had the conical adapters that effectively go in as far as they can until they hit the right diameter? If so surely it's not beyond the ability of one or more of the fabricators on there to knock up a tapered cone with a hole in it to take the Abba threaded bit then we're back to a universal stand with the option of custom fit adapters for the bikes you use most often.
Where's Biblio when you need him?
i know exactly what to do as in regards universal adapters ;)
i could also knock up copies of the stand.
but i wont!
why? well these guys make a living out of what they do so if someone comes along and starts making copies then they might just go out of business then we loose another company. this leaves the person who made the copies who could just be out for a quick buck then dump it which leaves the biking community without a product.
If the front lift is the weird narrow thing I looked at earlier in the year then it's not recommended for twins as it can't spread the load across enough exhaust metalwork.
Any chance of knocking up some generic cones to universalise the abbas? I'd still prefer to use custom adapters where possible as I suspect the y do less damage to the socket the go into but for occasional use on mates bikes seems a sensible way to go.
[Edit] here you go from Abba's own site.....
Will the front lift fit my bike...?
The abba front lift is designed to lift on the bottom of the exhaust pipes of a four cylinder machine where at least two pipes run parallel to create a flat lifting point. (On faired bikes there needs to be a 10+cm gap between the fairing for the front lift to locate up inside). The front lift is not suitable for V-twin engine motorcycles because of only one single front down pipe, or motorcycles with an unusual exhaust layout (i.e two pipes not running parallel)
no they have a new one :-)
http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=42
maviczap
18-01-13, 04:17 PM
Group buy of the new front lift thing would be a great idea.
I'm up for than
Group buy of the new front lift thing would be a great idea.
I'm up for than
yup. i'd be up for that as well.
might give them a ring on monday see what they say.
maviczap
18-01-13, 04:33 PM
Good man Bib
yup. i'd be up for that as well.
might give them a ring on monday see what they say.
Book me in if we can get a good price may as well a :D
i KNOW OF ONE FOR SALE IN BANBURY FOR £70 INC DELIVERY. Might even get it cheaper if you ask.
chris8886
18-01-13, 10:11 PM
If you can find one, buy an NWS stand instead - it's better.
sid, don't tell people this! i've known it for a little while and have been looking for one at various intervals and can say that it's like trying to get hen's teeth! i'm yet to see one come up for sale on fleabay or anywhere! :(
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