Average speed cameras

[LewSpeight]

So, going down the m62 today i notice theres the average speed camera things... that are FRONT FACING..

Surely us bikers are safe as we dont have any number plate on the front?

[DarrenSV650S]

Take the pishflaps on several occasions and they could potentially identify you by your uniquely coloured leather clothing or motorcycle paintjob.

[LewSpeight]

Aye i was thinking that. Cos if they put a photo of me out and the cops in cars recognise me im nackered lol.

Just wondered. But yeh, average speed cameras at 50mph on the motorway.. Its almost quicker going on the A roads :mad:

[DarrenSV650S]

A roads should be more fun that motorway :p :D :)

[LewSpeight]

They always are, but theres traffic lights and stuff on the ones im onabout, abit poor.

And its a hell of a lot quicker getting home after a long day at work, going on the motorway, just so boring!

[joshwalker094]

That m62 daft! We got caught in it going up your end and home. Pfffttt the traffic!

[disco2]

Careful guys n girls although we assume we are safe as average speed cam are normally forward facing I have passed some whilst at work (artic driver) that are rear facing. Sorry for the life of me I cant remember where.

So worth a check before you open her up a start filtering at 80mph lol

[Littlepeahead]

Essex police told me they can use the smaller cameras used for monitoring traffic flow to identify bikes.

[Pricey12]

I read somewhere that if you change lanes after passing the first camera and before you get to the second then they can't register your speed. Some kind of design flaw apparently. No idea if it's true though... :confused:

[Littlepeahead]

That's nonsense I'm afraid. It comes from when the cameras were first installed and they were only set up to cover one lane. That was soon changed.

[dizzyblonde]

From experience of the m62 cameras, with both car and bike.
They do work, and aren't there to scare you into doing 50. Doing just over 55 in a car, and they will sting you.

On the bike, average between 50 and 80 something is possible, wouldn't do it often :-dd

They are looking to keep that stretch permanently at 50, which is honestly beyond a joke. It's gotten worse for every year they have been present, with the limit at 50. Somewhere around 2007 they began. My dad commutes to Leeds every day, his mate the same but from Manc. If there's an accident they usually lose half a days wage just trying to get to work. It's becoming more and more frequent, not better.

[yorkie_chris]

Don't take the p*ss on the bike... the average cameras can't pick up a bike, they won't register anything as they identify number plates. Without a number plate to ID then you might as well be a pigeon.

However I have seen police unmarkeds on that bit too and they could potentially identify you based on the fixed CCTV cameras, though this is unlikely and more likely to be linked to being seen weaving through traffic or otherwise being a bit of a knob.

Unlikely to get snapped for anything doing 65 or so when it's quiet though.

Unless you have a front numberplate then the revenue generators will have you every time.

[Sir Trev]

Had to endure a year of roadworks on my commute while a bridge was stregthened by the slowest contractors Network Rail could find. The average speed cams on the four mile stretch had a few rear-facing ones so don't assume folks.

[Fordward]

yorkie_chris is correct

unless they can read a number plate they dont even know youre there

they only capture an image after an offence is detected

normal CCTV could be used against you if you stand out to the camera operator, but then thats true on any busy stretch of motorway

[Joe Marcon]

I might sound like a yob, but i do around 100mph+ in quiet and never been done . So they do not catch bikers :)
(This is on way to YC)

[LewSpeight]

Oh god.

[missyburd]

Haha Joe strikes again with a bit of constructive advice, ad-a-boy ;)

M62 is a pain. Are they still planning on keeping the 50mph limit when opening up the hard shoulder as a fourth lane?

[yorkie_chris]

That's the reason for the managed motorway (gantry speed cameras).

Obviously they will add loads of safety with people climbing onto the brakes when they see the paint on the road when no "managed" speed limit is in force.

[coopesh56]

Always speed through them, have done for years, never been caught... The only ones in aware of that can catch you are on the cat and fiddle route, and even they're pretty flawed

[dizzyblonde]

I can categorically say those cameras on the M62 work.


Maria, they are supposed to be keeping the limit, even when the four lanes are in place.

[Joe Marcon]

Yes the m62 work as my mate got 3 points going up m62 and another 3 coming back as he did 60mph in his van .

[PyroUK]

The front facing ones could be used to get a bike as they take a pic of the vehicle and driver (whole point d front facing was so they can prove who was driving) and the ANPR tech issues the ticket if necessary. So all bikes will be captured just unable to ID the actual bike.

If you are driving like a c**k they may use CCTV footage which covers front and back to ID you.

The rear facing cams are just a money making program design to sting everyone when they realised bikes required a lot of additional work to get.

[yorkie_chris]

The front facing ones could be used to get a bike as they take a pic of the vehicle and driver (whole point d front facing was so they can prove who was driving) and the ANPR tech issues the ticket if necessary. So all bikes will be captured just unable to ID the actual bike.


The ANPR/average cams aren't that clever.

They take a photo, analyse this to find some yellow squares and read some letters and numbers.

If they tried to analyse a bike. God knows what shape, colour etc. Then it would pick up the owl that flew past camera 1, detect the pigeon that went past #3 and the leaf that went past #7 and issue a ticket to the dalia llama for doing 30,532.7mph in a 50 zone.
The sheer volume of data to identify a bike on that would make the whole system collapse. Viz they don't see vehicles, they see reg plates.


Or if you are on about the front facing flashy type cameras, if you do this enough, or take the p*ss, then they will eventually get around to cross referencing the camera flash with some CCTV to put you at the scene with a picture of your plate.

[dizzyblonde]

I wouldn't be so sure. The photo we got of Peg driving the rollerskate, clearly showed a gorilla picking his nose, whilst behind the steering wheel!!

:lol:

[PyroUK]

Think I didn't explain that very well YC! May also be confused, it's early!!

I meant the avg cams, they read the plates but also take a pic of the whole "vehicle" that it is attached too. It is prob just a defined size block that gets captured as opposed to the actual car or can etc, just to get a pic of the driver. The reason originally given was to prove who was driving to avoid the ball ache of "it wasn't me it was my partner/mate/dog" argument or if someone appealed it.

Think that the bikes are only caught in the pic as matter of course in the video stream so technically you are there and if someone could be bothered to go through it all and check CCTV as well they could do you. It's unlikely unless you are being a proper c**t or pass a rozzer!

[yorkie_chris]

Yeah exactly, but then it would be a manual job and incredibly unlikely unless you were spotted or reported being very silly

[Littlepeahead]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/August/aug2709-bikers-caught-by-front-facing-cameras/

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/biker-busted-by-forward-facing-gatso/791.html

I guess if you do it regularly enough they will make the effort to catch you out.

[yorkie_chris]

There is such a warm feeling from seeing a few things in life.

A burberry-cap-clad head snapping backwards from a good straight right when they've exceeded a bouncers patience
A burnt out speed camera
Someone on a bike flipping the V's to a scamera :)

Almost brings a tear to your eye!

[chris8886]

There is such a warm feeling from seeing a few things in life.

A burberry-cap-clad head snapping backwards from a good straight right when they've exceeded a bouncers patience
A burnt out speed camera
Someone on a bike flipping the V's to a scamera :)

Almost brings a tear to your eye!

couldn't agree with you more chris! :D=D>

[PyroUK]

Thy is true LPH, consistency is the key. my mate got caught back when he had a 250cc Chinese POS because he went through the same camera at about 35 every day for about a 2 months, in the end they just got a car to park there and wait for him.

He never went too fast through the cam, he couldn't on that POS, but it was because it was every day!

[keith_d]

Rumours I heard were that if you blat through the same section of motorway roadworks often enough the CCTV operators may spot you and arrange for a personal consultation. The speed cameras may not get you, but the unmarked car will and their video evidence might be enough to qualify for a court appearance instead of an FPN.

[Dipper]

Around our way they regularly hide a rear facing camera along a section of road covered by average speed cameras, coincides with the evening of a regular bike meet, cynical barstewards. Completely against the guidelines but as it's bikers.............

[Fordward]

average speed cameras or SPECS or Speed Violation Detection Deterrent SVDD only capture an image for the purposes of identifying a number plate

if the number plate cant be identified, for instance due to an illegal font on the number plate, or something obscuring the numberplate, the image is deleted

if a number plate cant be identified, due to it not being there (motorbike), the image is deleted

only if the same number plate is identified on two images and the time/distance between the two cameras indicates an offence, does it store the image as proof of a speeding offence

you cannot be prosecuted as a result of a front facing SPECS camera on a motorbike there is no lasting record that you were even there and no image on record to identify you from

other types front facing cameras such as those in littlepeaheads post do store a permanent image, but not SPECS

[yorkie_chris]

It would be quite funny to see if they would send out a NIP if you exposed the plate say on the hard shoulder next to two cameras a set time apart.

I want to own a C90 that was clocked doing mach 2 :)

[Fordward]

i wouldnt be surprised but it would store an image in that case so further investigation would show two pictures of you and your mate standing on the hard shoulder in two different places holding a number plate

stick the same number plate on two identical reliant robins, wear the same burkhas, drive at 60 mph with your mate 1/2 mile ahead so it looks to the camera like you were doing more like 120.... now that would be a funny one to take to court