watch out he is back ripping us off

[craig dow]

bought and paid for a seat cowl from a member on here , paid £35 for it , sent him payment via paypal as a gift as he asked , one week latter i still havent got seat cowl , iv sent him many emails , and not had a reply , also noticed another member paying for another seat cowl and not getting it yet , or any replys to his emails , i have been told this member has done this befor on here , to other members , can he not be taken of here for good , or some sort of warning put up tolet other members know , i dont have very much money , and to lose £35 is a lot to me , and so upset that i carnt get a seat cowl for my bike to finnish it off now , i have contacted admin on here , so will see what they can do , also i will contact paypal , but please be aware , when buying of here , we are all mates , and have a hobbie the same , and here to help each other , hope this doesnt happen to any one eles , ps if you read this , sv-rory please contact me ,or if any one has a contact number for him please can you let me know
thanks

[maviczap]

Aye, we've been here before & I know who you're referring to, although I think the Orger's have eventually got their stuff, but sometimes its taken months

[craig dow]

iv read there mail and they just got there money back by going to pay pal , hate it when you get ripped off , was so looking forward to getting my cowl to finnish my bike of , now will have to save up to try and get another one , if i could afford to give my money away , theres a lot better charities out there ,

[Dicky Ticker]

If somebody is not fullfilling agreements regarding purchasing of goods NAME AND SHAME. especially if they are an org member.We do not need that sort of conduct amongst "friends"

There are quite a lot of new members coming on at this time of year many hoping to spruce their bikes up by acquiring bits and bobs from on here

[yorkie_chris]

+1 name and shame.

And don't pay for stuff by paypal gift unless you trust them.

[coopesh56]

It's a shame some people feel the need to threaten a good community vibe with behaviour like this, definitely should be removed

[daveyrach]

sv-rory please contact mes

He has named and shamed

[Joe Marcon]

+1 name and shame.

And don't pay for stuff by paypal gift unless you trust them.

Remember my text chris?

[Joe Marcon]

bought and paid for a seat cowl from a member on here , paid £35 for it , sent him payment via paypal as a gift as he asked , one week latter i still havent got seat cowl , iv sent him many emails , and not had a reply , also noticed another member paying for another seat cowl and not getting it yet , or any replys to his emails , i have been told this member has done this befor on here , to other members , can he not be taken of here for good , or some sort of warning put up tolet other members know , i dont have very much money , and to lose £35 is a lot to me , and so upset that i carnt get a seat cowl for my bike to finnish it off now , i have contacted admin on here , so will see what they can do , also i will contact paypal , but please be aware , when buying of here , we are all mates , and have a hobbie the same , and here to help each other , hope this doesnt happen to any one eles , ps if you read this , sv-rory please contact me ,or if any one has a contact number for him please can you let me know
thanks

Mate, he ows me £140 . Proper gutted . I'll find where he lives, and hump him . Its not money im bothered about, its principle

[daveyrach]

Mate, he ows me £140 . Proper gutted . I'll find where he lives, and hump him . Its not money im bothered about, its principle

Can you not find his address through Paypal?? According to his profile he is a student living in Milton Keynes.

[Pricey12]

It's a shame some people feel the need to threaten a good community vibe with behaviour like this, definitely should be removed

+1

[The Idle Biker]

Blimey. I pm'd him to see if he wanted to do some spraying work for me. Glad he never responded.
Who'd have thought it?

[tactcom7]

ahh good old sv-rory, the guy who was constantly trying to crack onto the gf at the time! She might still have his mobile somewhere if you want it...

[Joe Marcon]

Can you not find his address through Paypal?? According to his profile he is a student living in Milton Keynes.

Good thinking batman

[admin]

We are aware of the complaints with SV_rory and keeping an eye on him. So far he has resolved all the issues that I've contacted him about, but it seems from this thread that there are many more. Fizz wrote to him yesterday about Joe Marcon. I had to sort out one regarding Richsv650 and that was only resolved after a threat to ban him. Mods and myself have to weigh up the arguments on both sides in these disputes but it's becoming clear that the evidence is stacking up against him.

At the moment we are giving him limited access so he can respond to complaints but not post new items.

More later
John

[andrewsmith]

We are aware of the complaints with SV_rory and keeping an eye on him. So far he has resolved all the issues that I've contacted him about, but it seems from this thread that there are many more. Fizz wrote to him yesterday about Joe Marcon. I had to sort out one regarding Richsv650 and that was only resolved after a threat to ban him. Mods and myself have to weigh up the arguments on both sides in these disputes but it's becoming clear that the evidence is stacking up against him.

At the moment we are giving him limited access so he can respond to complaints but not post new items.

More later
John

John

We had this last year IIRC, similar things

[dizzyblonde]

I'm not keen on banning members(they just come back as someone else to try again), but a permanent restriction on selling items for this chap would perhaps be best all round. I'm all for having the benefit of the doubt and trying for resolution. Especially as he has done it several times over recent years.

20quid these days is a lot for some folk to lose, in Joes case....that's very bad firm indeed and doesn't shine a good light for new members trusting sellers here.

[fizzwheel]

As John says, we're waiting to hear back from SV_rory, in the meantime I've restricted his access to the forum completely. He'll be able to respond to PM's and send new ones, but he wont be able to post anything on the forum itself.

I'm hoping this can be resolved quickly and amicably, once done then we'll review the situation. At the moment I would like to ensure that the people involved get their money back and thats what we're focusing on...

Unfortunately we dont have a magic wand we can wave. I would suggest though that using paypal and gifting people money that you dont know, is probably not a wise choice as IIRC once done, you cant lodge a dispute with paypal to get the money back...

[Joe Marcon]

ahh good old sv-rory, the guy who was constantly trying to crack onto the gf at the time! She might still have his mobile somewhere if you want it...

Pm me it :)

[craig dow]

ok thaks for all your help , looks like iv lost £35 for a seat cowl i will never see , and i do agree you should not send payment as a gift , but i was asked to , this way i picked up tab for purchase , not seller , thats why i think people ask us to do that , im more disapointed that i havent got the seat cowl , to finnish of my bike , as i took of the seat , and gave it to a org who was after one , for free, my fault for jumping gun i know , but then i trusted sv-rory as he was an org on here , so now i will have to save up and try and get another one , so i can get my bike on the road , im just hopeing no one eles gets ripped of by him again , as £35 is a lot to me , any way thanks again for all your help

[SuzukiNess]

craig, will the thou seat cowl fit your bike?

[craig dow]

hi not sure , i have an sv650s 1999 model if that helps , thanks

[yorkie_chris]

No then.

Why not just put a seat on it? They are cheap.

[craig dow]

thanks , i will wait and see if one turns up , iv done a lot to my bike this winter , and a cowl would just finnish it off , iv never taken any one on the back of my bike , and never will , this is my first bike , and only passed test last year , but thanks , i will just keep my eyes open , for one , and start saveing , thanks again , ps im not looking for a hand out or freebie , was just wanting to let fellow orgs know what he is up to , as iv never seen this before or new there were people on here that would do that to fellow orgs , as i only joined when i got my bike , thanks again

[Jayneflakes]

Don't let your faith in the Org be rocked by this folks, there are so many lovely people here that such negative things can quickly be passed over and loveliness returned as normal.

Big hugs all round and lets hope that those who have been hurt can be reimbursed soon. I love this place and would hate to see it damaged by stuff like this.

[Wideboy]

I'm not. I'm a little bit woooaahh little bit wheeeeyy.

I'ma geeza!

[Littlepeahead]

Shut up Gav. You are a little fluffy pussy cat. Jayne is right, lots of kind, honest, generous types on here. I first joined when 2 days after taking delivery of my brand new SV I cracked an indicator when the garage door blew open onto it. A fellow orger sent me a set free, just asked me to cover the cost of the postage. And I bought the standard seat off another member when Mr LPH needed to ride my bike after writing off his own. It arrived within 48 hours good as gold.

Best bet would be to pop a seat on while you wait for a cowl to turn up. It's a good idea to have one anyway as if you ever have to bungee a bag or tent etc. onto the back (like for AR or GM) then better to have a seat that won't get scratched to bits then put your cowl back on afterwards.

[mrs t]

i havent long joined here craig, and ive bought a few thing of peeps on here and everything has been great, everyones really helpfull, fraid you seem to have found the "bad penny" here :(

[daveyrach]

I have bought loads off this site off various members, including sub-frames, exhausts, top yokes, mirrors and levers. All have arrived as good as gold.

I love this place, I joined before I even took delivery of my SV

*group hug*

[Brettus]

Just to add another vote of positivity to this, because I'm always deploring the fact that only negative reviews get posted/remembered. (in everything)

I've bought loads of items and never had a problem. I've sold quite a few too and always try to make sure I do my part quickly and with communication to help manage expectations.

[tonyk]

hi not sure , i have an sv650s 1999 model if that helps , thanks
would a sv650s pointy 2007 cowl fit ?..

[Elliott]

Ive spent quite a large amount on this forum buying bits and bobs and every single person I have delt with has been excellent.

Public selling will always have its risks and with higher purchases >20 I would normal pay the fees at my end and mark it as a "goods" transaction to protect my cash!

[daveyrach]

would a sv650s pointy 2007 cowl fit ?..

No as he has a curvy.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

[uber pikey]

I am a member on a few sites that have all been friendly and helpful, the sv_rory guy is taking the mick a bit here and is putting this site to shame, it only takes one and he's it.

[joshwalker094]

Blimey. I pm'd him to see if he wanted to do some spraying work for me. Glad he never responded.
Who'd have thought it?

I'm supposed to be sending fairings off to him later this year for a spray

[Joe Marcon]

I'm supposed to be sending fairings off to him later this year for a spray

Well dont! Lol .

[leebex]

when I bought off rip off rory I paid with gift and did get a refund.you get 45 days to make your claim. Never recieved any apologies and he disapeared off here for a year.then came back and we have the same crap again.

[craig dow]

thanks every one , i had loads of help on here to , and i have bought stuff too , and never had a problem untill now , i love this site , and think all the orgs on here are ace , id never leave here as i love my sv , and your all been great , i just hate being ripped off , i find it hard to get money together now adays to spend on my bike . but i will get one , thanks every one you all one great bunch , but please any one who thinks off dealing with him , then dont ,

[craig dow]

just been onto pay pal , and because payment was sent as a gift and not a purchase , they will not cover this , so iv lost my money , and nothing can be done ,

[Specialone]

Just remember folks, this site doesn't sell anything, while we are trying to help, it's not in anyway attached to the site or the people that run it, a bad deal isn't good for anyone but we have no attachments to Rory or anyone else.

[Specialone]

when I bought off rip off rory I paid with gift and did get a refund.you get 45 days to make your claim. Never recieved any apologies and he disapeared off here for a year.then came back and we have the same crap again.

just been onto pay pal , and because payment was sent as a gift and not a purchase , they will not cover this , so iv lost my money , and nothing can be done ,

Read the above from leebex, if he got a refund, can't see why you wouldn't be entitled?

[Kenzie]

Just another positive, I have purchased an exhaust and a rad guard from members with no issues. Only reason they insist on gift is there is a charge for goods sent option.

[uber pikey]

I have the same through PayPal, due to a gift payment they won't cover it.

I am happy to say that this site is informative and very friendly, just a shame Mods haven't dealt with him correctly at all. You can delete his account and register his email and details in your system for future use, so to me as a newbie joining this forum and reading all the history I'm disappointed

[yorkie_chris]

There is still a charge for a gift just the sender pays it.

There is ALSO an option to send payment for goods BUT the sender pays the fee which is the option that should be used.

[SIII]

Every time I have dealt with anyone on here - I usually got way more than i bargained for - once bought kids motorbike jacket & trousers and got free boots and gloves!!!

Right Craig - stick your e-mail address for your paypal account and I'll send you £1.00, and if 35 other Org'ers do the same you'll be back in pocket??? I won't miss £1.00 but I know losing £35 would really p-ss me off. Especially if it was from my bike fund.

If you get more than the £35 - send it to your favourite charity - Help for Heroes or a local one to you?:thumbsup:

[maviczap]

Every time I have dealt with anyone on here - I usually got way more than i bargained for - once bought kids motorbike jacket & trousers and got free boots and gloves!!!

Right Craig - stick your e-mail address for your paypal account and I'll send you £1.00, and if 35 other Org'ers do the same you'll be back in pocket??? I won't miss £1.00 but I know losing £35 would really p-ss me off. Especially if it was from my bike fund.

If you get more than the £35 - send it to your favourite charity - Help for Heroes or a local one to you?:thumbsup:

Don't mind giving Craig a quid

[Spank86]

I have the same through PayPal, due to a gift payment they won't cover it.

I am happy to say that this site is informative and very friendly, just a shame Mods haven't dealt with him correctly at all. You can delete his account and register his email and details in your system for future use, so to me as a newbie joining this forum and reading all the history I'm disappointed

He could just set up a new email address and Most IPs change dynamically anyway.

If that happened then NO ONE would know he was dodgy because we wouldn't know who he was.

[Specialone]

I have the same through PayPal, due to a gift payment they won't cover it.

I am happy to say that this site is informative and very friendly, just a shame Mods haven't dealt with him correctly at all. You can delete his account and register his email and details in your system for future use, so to me as a newbie joining this forum and reading all the history I'm disappointed

Mate, with respect, he's not our responsibility, if a user is found to be dodgy he gets banned, it's not up to us to police every transaction, it's a contract entered into between the vendor and the buyer, that doesn't include sv650.org.

New users could always search the vendors name before and maybe check up on them.

[muzikill]

I could show a mod another person who offers items for sale but doesnt follow through replying when you give them a offer & pm them. I've checked other threads & it seems the same thing happens. Different story when they want a part & our members fall over themselves to make sure they fulfill it.

[Specialone]

I could show a mod another person who offers items for sale but doesnt follow through replying when you give them a offer & pm them. I've checked other threads & it seems the same thing happens. Different story when they want a part & our members fall over themselves to make sure they fulfill it.

By all means mate report it and we will look at it for you.

[Spank86]

Although if all the user is doing is not taking offers on products put up for sale it's hardly a heinous crime. Annoying I suppose but that's about it unless they're taking payment.

[Stuuk1]

Buying through a forum is just far too risky. If anyone chooses to buy through a forum exchanging money with people they don't know then you only have yourself to blame if the money goes missing.

This is why EBay exists. Use it for its intended purpose.

I'm surprised that the Admin here allow items to be sold other than bikes which are to be picked up in person (cash on arrival).

[Joe Marcon]

Well everyone learn from my mistake . Im useless with money, i'll probs have to accept i lost £140 . But a year ago i lost £280 to a phone scam . Im just too easy on people .

[Joe Marcon]

I also think there should be an icon for people who are trusted sellers on here, and to gain one you must have an ebay account to match, full adress and few other bits . Would make it alot better

[yorkie_chris]

There are some kn*bheads on ebay. Better to stick with people who are personally known to other .org people.

[Speedy Claire]

I could show a mod another person who offers items for sale but doesnt follow through replying when you give them a offer & pm them. I've checked other threads & it seems the same thing happens. Different story when they want a part & our members fall over themselves to make sure they fulfill it.


If someone offers an item for sale but doesn`t reply to an offer it`s hardly the same as someone who offers an item, takes the money but doesn`t surrender the item.

They haven`t taken any money... .they may have just changed their mind about selling or perhaps already sold the item but are too rude and ignorant to acknowledge the pm.

[Spank86]

I also think there should be an icon for people who are trusted sellers on here, and to gain one you must have an ebay account to match, full adress and few other bits . Would make it alot better

Check the number of posts first and then look at previous threads.

That's a better system than some hooky ebay account.

[dizzyblonde]

I've bought and sold loads of stuff here over the years, you tend to find out who to avoid after being here a long time.
I bought and sold my black SV here. I'd not been a member long when I bought it.
One piece of advice I would like to give if you are ever unsure about a member, is to possibly ask a long standing member, or a mod via PM, if they'd buy off that person.
When I bought my black SV, I didn't know anybody so I asked the biggest character for their help....that person was Hovis, and his advice helped vastly with my large purchase.


It never harms to query.

[andrewsmith]

I've sold a lot of SV bits on here (and bought) and never had an issue. But I'd agree with DB if unsure ask a mod

Every time I have dealt with anyone on here - I usually got way more than i bargained for - once bought kids motorbike jacket & trousers and got free boots and gloves!!!

Right Craig - stick your e-mail address for your paypal account and I'll send you £1.00, and if 35 other Org'ers do the same you'll be back in pocket??? I won't miss £1.00 but I know losing £35 would really p-ss me off. Especially if it was from my bike fund.

If you get more than the £35 - send it to your favourite charity - Help for Heroes or a local one to you?:thumbsup:

Same here

If we're talking con artist, any one remember the uber troll Matt-Yokes? (name and shame: topyokes.com)

[Stuuk1]

I too have bought from a member here but did my background checks first.

If you fail to plan, you plan to fail...

[admin]

Buying through a forum is just far too risky. If anyone chooses to buy through a forum exchanging money with people they don't know then you only have yourself to blame if the money goes missing.

This is why EBay exists. Use it for its intended purpose.

I'm surprised that the Admin here allow items to be sold other than bikes which are to be picked up in person (cash on arrival).

What difference would that make? Rip off merchants sell bikes too.

I work on the basis that most people are decent and honest, but buyer beware.

[dirtydog]

As Specialone says above anyone buying anything on the Org it is a contract between the buyer and seller nothing to do with the org. It's really up to the buyer to check the seller out, in this case a simple search could've prevented people being in the situation they are in.
Another relevant point is people are gifting the money to sellers which is a pretty foolish thing to do and so really you have to shoulder some of the blame yourselves (sorry if that offends but that's my opinion).
As for the mods not doing enough, what would you like us to do? Ban him? Then no one can contact him or him contact anyone via PMs and then he comes back with a new username. Restrict his access until this gets sorted? That's what was done last time and that's obviously not the right course of action.

Hang on I think I know what should be done...



A few of the mods can go to his house, frog march him to the nearest cash point, force him to draw out enough money to refund people then we could personally deliver the money back to people on a red velvet cushion while crawling over broken glass as an apology for some one else's actions.

How's that for a solution?

[muzikill]

So tough, is the message?

[dirtydog]

Not at all, the mods are trying to help but as Fizzwheel said earlier we don't have a magic wand to wave that will make it all ok again, but it is also down to the perspective buyer to do their checks and cover their own backside.

[leebex]

My paypal purchase was refunded even though paid as a gift, although this was nov 2011, so may have changed since then.

Just been reading through this:

https://cms.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/marketingweb?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/UserAgreement_full&locale.x=en_GB#13.

Cant see any reason why you cant file a dispute. Id give it a try ;) youve got 45 days, I gave it about 20 days, more than long enough to post an item out.

jump to section 13.2 c.iii

and 13.3 a mentions whats not covered, doesnt mention gifting the money, so Id try and file a claim myself

[leebex]

heres the text on paypal

13. PayPal Buyer Protection
13.1 What types of problems are covered?

PayPal Buyer Protection helps you with either of these problems:
You did not receive the item you paid for with PayPal – “Item Not Received” (“INR”).
You received an item you paid for with PayPal but it is “Significantly Not as Described” (“SNAD”). Further information on what we mean by “SNAD” is set out in section 13.9.

If your problem is a transaction that you did not authorise, please report the unauthorised transaction through the PayPal Security Centre at https://www.paypal.co.uk/security (https://www.paypal.co.uk/security).
13.2 What are the eligibility requirements for PayPal Buyer Protection?
You must meet all of these requirements to be eligible for a payment under PayPal Buyer Protection:

Your payment must be for an eligible item and made from your PayPal Account (see Section 13.3 for further details on item eligibility);
Pay the full amount of the eligible item in one payment. Items purchased with multiple payments – like a deposit followed by a final payment – are not eligible;
Send the payment to the Payment Recipient through:
the eBay “Pay Now” button or the eBay invoice, or
the “Send Money” button of your PayPal account by selecting “eBay Item” and entering your eBay User ID and the eBay item number; or
for purchases made outside of eBay: the Send Money tab on the PayPal website by clicking the “Purchase” tab, or the Payment Recipient's PayPal checkout flow; and

Open a Dispute within 45 days of the date you sent the payment and follow the online dispute resolution process described below under “How do I resolve my problem?” in section 13.5.
13.3 What type of payments are eligible for re-imbursement under PayPal Buyer Protection?

PayPal Buyer Protection only applies to PayPal payments for certain tangible, physical goods. Payments for the following are not eligible for re-imbursement under PayPal Buyer Protection:

intangible items
services
real estate (including, without limitation, residential property)
businesses
vehicles (including, without limitation, motor vehicles, motorcycles, caravans, aircraft and boats),
custom made items
travel tickets (including, without limitation, airline flight tickets)
items prohibited by the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
items that violate eBay’s Prohibited or Restricted Items Policy
licences
access to digital content
industrial machinery used in manufacturing
items equivalent to cash (including, without limitation, gift cards)
Items purchased using Zong, Website Payments Pro or Virtual Terminal
Personal Transaction payments

Please note the following eligibility requirements applicable to eBay listings: Look for either a PayPal Buyer Protection message or an eBay Buyer Protection message in the eBay listing. If you see this message and you meet the other eligibility requirements, your item is eligible for PayPal Buyer Protection. You can view this message in the listing after you complete your purchase by logging into your eBay account, going to “my eBay,” then “won”, and looking at the listing. If the listing does not include the buyer protection message, then it is not eligible for PayPal Buyer Protection.

[yorkie_chris]

So tough, is the message?

Give the mods some credit mate, there's not a lot they can do. If they tried to enforce some mad background checks nobody would bother selling anything.

[Tomor]

Give the mods some credit mate, there's not a lot they can do. If they tried to enforce some mad background checks nobody would bother selling anything.

Got something you want to share with us YC? ;)

[leebex]

So tough, is the message?

Like most aspects of buying, its buyer beware, most of us are decent folk who have had a positive experience both buying and selling on the forum, but the for sale section is just a noticeboard section offered by the admin to help members get in contact with other members who have parts they no longer require etc.

They simply dont have the power to do anything,and what can they do? We have the luxury of a free forum, but even if it were a forum that demanded compulsory payment, I bet youd still get a chancer appear every now and then, its just a shame that the member were talking about has made a habit of this.

[craig dow]

hi ,thanks for all your replys , and offers , but im not here playing poverty , and no way will i ask any one for the money , who doesnt know me , or ow me it , i do have some dignerty , i my self have bought many a thing off here , if im needing any thing for my bike , i come here first , so the for sale site should never go , and yes there are the odd one out there who can and will try and ripp some one of , its life , may be , yes it could be monitored a wee bit better , if there is a wee complaint bit that could be set up , for some thing like this happening , then that might help . but as said it will never be fool proof , its life , there are so many decent people out there , as been shown on here , all orgs on here are always here to help fellow orgs out, so why should that change , there is always a bad apple in every cart , and another ready to take its place , but we should never let that spoil a great site , and a great friend ship that iv found on here , all i want is todo is let fellow orgs know , iv lost the hard way, but not as much as i could off , and not as much as someone eles on here has , lifes a risk , but thanks for all the replys , and lets not spoil a great site

[muzikill]

Give the mods some credit mate, there's not a lot they can do. If they tried to enforce some mad background checks nobody would bother selling anything.

Nothing against the mods at all. You pays your money but i thought his reply was a bit harsh.

Btw i'd send anyone a few bob to help most out on here. The forums gave me more worth.

[dirtydog]

Nothing against the mods at all. You pays your money but i thought his reply was a bit harsh.

Btw i'd send anyone a few bob to help most out on here. The forums gave me more worth.

Ok so you see it as being a harsh reply, tell me what's harsh about it and any bits that you think are untrue/out of order

[The Idle Biker]

hi ,thanks for all your replys , and offers , but im not here playing poverty , and no way will i ask any one for the money , who doesnt know me , or ow me it , i do have some dignerty , i my self have bought many a thing off here , if im needing any thing for my bike , i come here first , so the for sale site should never go , and yes there are the odd one out there who can and will try and ripp some one of , its life , may be , yes it could be monitored a wee bit better , if there is a wee complaint bit that could be set up , for some thing like this happening , then that might help . but as said it will never be fool proof , its life , there are so many decent people out there , as been shown on here , all orgs on here are always here to help fellow orgs out, so why should that change , there is always a bad apple in every cart , and another ready to take its place , but we should never let that spoil a great site , and a great friend ship that iv found on here , all i want is todo is let fellow orgs know , iv lost the hard way, but not as much as i could off , and not as much as someone eles on here has , lifes a risk , but thanks for all the replys , and lets not spoil a great site

Wise words and if pounds were commas you'd be quids in. ;-)

[Specialone]

Wise words and if pounds were commas you'd be quids in. ;-)

Or paragraphs :rolleyes:

The above is known as banter, don't take it personal btw :)

[muzikill]

Ok so you see it as being a harsh reply, tell me what's harsh about it and any bits that you think are untrue/out of order

I think your solution about the mods frog marching round was a bit ott. Im pretty sure craig is feeling bad enough about what happened without something like that being said. Your advice before you said that was fine.

[Speedy Claire]

I think your solution about the mods frog marching round was a bit ott. Im pretty sure.

I don`t think that was actually intended as a solution. I have an inkling it was a "tongue in cheek" comment :D

[Wideboy]

mostly because people don't seem to be able to understand that financial transactions aren't the org's responsibility.

[maviczap]

mostly because people don't seem to be able to understand that financial transactions aren't the org's responsibility.

Where there's blame, there's a claim :smt041:thumbsup: ;)

[Fordward]

does seem a bit strange to me that the people who run a forum could somehow be held responsible for stuff members sell on it

if you replied to an advert in your local paper and agreed to gift money on paypal and the seller then did a runner with the money, would you expect to get anywhere by complaining to the paper?

its just a public internet forum, anyone can place an advert, anyone can read it, just like the local paper

people buying stuff on here are lucky the mods are prepared to help at all IMO

[craig dow]

+1 on that , and i carnt thank them enough for helping me , they dont have too ,

[littleoldman2]

does seem a bit strange to me that the people who run a forum could somehow be held responsible for stuff members sell on it

if you replied to an advert in your local paper and agreed to gift money on paypal and the seller then did a runner with the money, would you expect to get anywhere by complaining to the paper?

its just a public internet forum, anyone can place an advert, anyone can read it, just like the local paper

people buying stuff on here are lucky the mods are prepared to help at all IMO
Well said

[dirtydog]

I think your solution about the mods frog marching round was a bit ott. Im pretty sure craig is feeling bad enough about what happened without something like that being said. Your advice before you said that was fine.

The point I was trying to make there was to the people saying things along the lines of "will see what the mods are going to do about it". Just trying to work out what people would like us to do?
As Claire says its more a tongue in cheek comment

[Spank86]

Ok so you see it as being a harsh reply, tell me what's harsh about it and any bits that you think are untrue/out of order

More blunt than harsh.

[dirtydog]

I'm a blunt kind of person, spade is a spade etc

[Spank86]

I'm a blunt kind of person, spade is a spade etc

I think we're supposed to call them African Americans now.



I think this was the post that might originally have seemed off:


Mate, with respect, he's not our responsibility, if a user is found to be dodgy he gets banned, it's not up to us to police every transaction, it's a contract entered into between the vendor and the buyer, that doesn't include sv650.org.

New users could always search the vendors name before and maybe check up on them.

Text is very raw, devoid of inflection and as such the wording may have seemed a bit harsher than it needed to to someone who's just lost their money even if the facts are accurate.

[Stuuk1]

What difference would that make? Rip off merchants sell bikes too.

I work on the basis that most people are decent and honest, but buyer beware.

Because eBay has protection.

And if its cash in hand you see the good before you buy.

[Specialone]

Text is very raw, devoid of inflection and as such the wording may have seemed a bit harsher than it needed to to someone who's just lost their money even if the facts are accurate.

Lol, for me this was diplomatic, one of my friends calls me Phil no filter, as he says there isn't a filter between my brain and my mouth, I say what I see.


Bottom line is, we, the org do not have to do anything, that might seem 'harsh', well, life's a bitch of a learning curve, I don't have anyone holding my hand when I make bad decisions (or purchases), learn from it, move on, don't look to blame everyone and his mother.

[Spank86]

It was a comment, not a personal complaint.

Dog seemed confused as to why someone would take it badly.

[MisterTommyH]

On the plus side if you're on here and pay attention to who appears to be trustworthy then it can work out to your advantage. I've had an orger send me £200 by PayPal to go and view an item they'd seen on eBay, judge whether it was OK, buy it and pack it off to them. Which was no problem as it was 2 mins down the road and I'd like to think someone would help me if needed.

I've heard of similar things happening with others... Can pay to trust people.

[wolf89]

i dnt know what paypal tend to do and how lazy they are but if gifting is not covered etc offer them the forum page in which you negotiated the deal with said person for the item along with any pms you sent/recieved , allow them to talk to mods to get true identity of the seller to match up to paypal account, to prove this is why you sent payment etc its not much but if it where me id try it. im not up to date on all the rules so not sure if it can be done but anyhow its the only way they could attempt to dispute gifting with written proof of why you gifted it in the first place. i say all this after having 4 hours sleep in 3 days so i hope it makes sense :D

[phil24_7]

I'm supposed to be sending fairings off to him later this year for a spray

I may be able to help you with that! ;)

[phil24_7]

There is still a charge for a gift just the sender pays it.

There is ALSO an option to send payment for goods BUT the sender pays the fee which is the option that should be used.

There is no charge for a gift payment sent between 2 personal Paypal accounts. I've used the option many times!

[phil24_7]

Incidentally, when I sell on here I usually insist on gift or bank transfer. I'm an honest guy and don't rip people off but I have been stung before so cover my backside. If it's a highish value item and a buyer is a little worried, I point out how long I've been on here, my post count and all my for sale threads. I also point them in the direction of the mods for a reference, give them my work details and address as well as my mobile number to build some form of trust before they purchase. This gives them some piece of mind as well as some possible ways of getting recourse should things not go as they should.

To date I don't know of anyone that hasn't been happy with a transaction and I've only had 1 problem which I sorted to the buyers satisfaction by way of a partial refund.

[k1ngy SV]

i was after a 33bhp ecu before and messaged sellers on here, but could part with cash as didnt really trust anyone & didnt know anyone, ( no affence but i agree £20 is alot nevermind more...!)

always be scare;s about people just like cagers !!! :salut:

[k1ngy SV]

Incidentally, when I sell on here I usually insist on gift or bank transfer. I'm an honest guy and don't rip people off but I have been stung before so cover my backside. If it's a highish value item and a buyer is a little worried, I point out how long I've been on here, my post count and all my for sale threads. I also point them in the direction of the mods for a reference, give them my work details and address as well as my mobile number to build some form of trust before they purchase. This gives them some piece of mind as well as some possible ways of getting recourse should things not go as they should.

To date I don't know of anyone that hasn't been happy with a transaction and I've only had 1 problem which I sorted to the buyers satisfaction by way of a partial refund.

1+ this would deferentially bring peace of mind. Little knowledge is great power unless in the wrong hands... guess there is a fear of people knowing where you live if things do go sour.. or theives after you bike!!! :'( (say the worst happen touch wood)

[craig dow]

hi
thanks alot , i will contact pay pal , did try to raise it on the site but it came back that because it was a gift it was not coverd , i love this site , and as said i have bought a lot of stuff of here , with no problems till now , but s***t happens , and thats life , if any one hears of a seat cowl going cheap for an sv650s 1999 please let me know , ps i dont want the one that rory is selling lol , but thanks for all your surport and take care

[leebex]

I phoned them regarding my refund, very helpful people, worth a go mate. email me if you need that transaction number to back up your claim as per yesterdays emails ;)

[uber pikey]

I've managed to talk to the guy today and just waiting on delivery, sometimes it's worth knowing people in dark dark places

[craig dow]

good luck , hope you get yours , let us all know

[craig dow]

hay can you pm me his mobile number , would like a few words with him myself , thanks