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I have done a search on this and have found a few threads covering what set up is best. As my bike lives outside now i don't have the option of plugging in a battery charger and the sockets main use will be sat nav so i think having the socket live only when the bike is running is the best option for me.
Could some one please let me know what relay i will need and how i wire it to run from ignition?
I have a pointy so the lights always come on with the engine running. Is it as simple as running the live from the rear lights/headlight? Where in the circuit to i put the relay?
Cheers
Get one of bibs relay boxes? Simple to install and can plug in anything that you can stick a +ve and -ve bullet connector on. Highly recommended as I have on for my autocom on the v strom.
so with this everything connected to it is only live when the bike is running? I'll search it mate, cheers
Yep, connected so comes on with the tail light.
Skybaba
24-03-13, 09:55 PM
Yeah, Bibio's gizmo is highly recommended.
Here's how I fitted mine:
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=188982
Specialone
24-03-13, 10:24 PM
Hold on, no disrespect to bibs fuse thingy, but there is no need to fit one of those if you only need a 12v socket for a sat nav.
Get yourself a 12v automotive relay off amazon or eBay £4-5, some 6.4mm spade connectors and an inline fuse.
Put a 10amp fuse in it, live and neg feed to the relay, a switched supply for the trigger from the headlight or something.
Thanks for that. I read through your own thread on this subject while these replies came in and thought that a second socket under the seat would be perfect for charging my phone/camera while touring and i also have heated grips wired straight to the battery at the minute. So my first post was true at the time of typing but is now a big fat lie! Went from 1x12v socket to 2x12v sockets and heated grips in minutes!
Specialone
24-03-13, 10:33 PM
In that case, one of bibs fuse box thingys would be ideal :)
Dicky Ticker
24-03-13, 11:10 PM
12v sockets fitted, fused, direct to/from the battery allow you either take power from the battery without having the ignition on,or feed power to it as in charger[optimate]
Leaving the ignition on without the engine running is not good
I can leave my phone or satnav under the seat on charge without leaving my keys in the ignition
I don't like the idea of having wires running to pockets or tank bags while riding and having to leave my keys in the bike with the ignition on when I am stopped if I want to charge or use the power of the battery
Gizzard1533
25-03-13, 11:03 AM
Having a constant supply of voltage being drawn from your battery will eventually fully discharge your battery if left on long enough, i.e. Having a 12v charging socket connected directly to the battery. I had it happen to me on one of my old bikes. Since then i have always spliced into either my ignition lives or headlight live at the fuse boxes. The only problem with headlight splicing is you have to ride with headlights constantly on (which i do anyways) and then when you flick to highbeam the feed is switched which turns off your accessories as well. I hardly use high beam so it makes next to no difference for me.
If i have mulitple attachment, (heated grips, 2x charging sockets) i always run them off a seperate fuse box run off the spare fuse terminals on the bikes original fuse box. This way they only work when ignition is switched on and dont cause unnecessary discharge of the battery.
Dicky Ticker
25-03-13, 11:25 AM
Please explain how you can leave your phone under the seat on charge without leaving keys in the ignition.
I have the standard Triumph fitting and never had a problem with it in 12 years so if everybody wants to complicate life
Gizzard1533
25-03-13, 11:43 AM
Please explain how you can leave your phone under the seat on charge without leaving keys in the ignition.
I have the standard Triumph fitting and never had a problem with it in 12 years so if everybody wants to complicate life
If the socket is wired directly to the battery the ignition doesn't need to be on for the socket to have a supply of power as is has complete circuit already, which will constantly draw power from the battery, without needing the bikes ignition to be switched on.
Unless his ignition barrel is that worn that he can turn the key and pull it out when the ignition is switched on...
Dicky Ticker
25-03-13, 11:57 AM
Everything on the bike has power to it but to complete the circuit it has to be switched on same as the socket, something has to be plugged into it to draw the power so what are you going to use as an accessory that needs that much power A phone or satnav are minimalistic in draw for a recharge.
Heated clothing or grips aren't quite the same and are better wired through the ignition but you don't need them when you are not on the bike where as most people carry their phones on their person and may want to recharge overnight [ e.g.Camping ]
Gizzard1533
25-03-13, 12:06 PM
It all depends on how many Amps the electrical applocation draws when plugged in.
An electric pump for blowing up camping beds everyone needs creature comforts when out in the wilderness :p
Sorry to resurrect and old thread, never know whether to start a new one and be accused of not searching :)
I can't see the bike at the moment, where do you attach the cabling to for the 12v socket - I'm not bothered if it's still on when ignition is off, whatever is less hassle to wire up? I'm guessing not onto the battery terminals directly.
This is what I'm looking at:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Waterproof-Motorcycle-HandleBar-Cellphone-Charger/dp/B00E5VGNY2/ref=pd_rhf_ee_s_cp_15_TYRR?ie=UTF8&refRID=0NCF8ATN0DSM7K1C579D
I can't imagine charging a non-usb appliance these days - but is this a mistake, should I go for 12V socket and USB adapter just in case?
Would you run this to the back seat or handlebars? Charging iPhone while using it as GPS could be handy, but less waterproof? Would you leave the socket in the back and run just the charging current to the handlebars for more water protection?
Sorry for noob questions...
Will
If wanted for charging phones/camera etc and as you say you aren't bothered if it goes off with the ignition just run it direct to the battery and fix it under the pillion seat. I have had one in there like that for a few years and is handy when touring.
I also used one up front for sat nav and positioned it under the right had bikini fairing, plugged the sat nav charger into it and waterproofed it with old bicycle tyre inner tube and malgy tape and ran the sat nav cable so it pops up between the clock surround and the screen.
That has also been running fine for years even in Irish and Scottish hardcore rain.
Thanks Winder. I might wire the USB socket to the pillion seat storage bit, and run a longer iPhone cable forwards from there to handlebars/ tank bag for use upfront when needed.
Are the amazon sockets much of a muchness?
If you want one up front just run one up front too.
Get the ones with a fused positive cable. Not much more expensive.
If it's only using maps on your phone then buy a cheap car sat nav and a Givi waterproof case. I used that for ages until my sat nav got stood on.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll146/winder1983/00FB3EC7-889A-4C5A-8CD2-7235200A544C_zps38vjw1hf.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/user/winder1983/media/00FB3EC7-889A-4C5A-8CD2-7235200A544C_zps38vjw1hf.jpg.html)
That's how my sat nav was set up.
If you're just using it to charge stuff, just wire the socket direct to the rear light, so it's only live when the lights are on.
SvNewbie
31-03-15, 11:13 AM
I can't see the bike at the moment, where do you attach the cabling to for the 12v socket - I'm not bothered if it's still on when ignition is off, whatever is less hassle to wire up? I'm guessing not onto the battery terminals directly.
Check out Bibio's gizmo. It's really the easiest way to fit something electrical to your bike and has the benefit of not leaving you stuck in the middle of no-where when you leave what ever it is plugged in and draining your battery. Also means you don't have to cut / splice into any of the cables and comes off again with just a spanner.
i agree about my Gizmo (but i would) another thing about the Gizmo and satnavs, when you turn the ignition off most sat navs when plugged in will use 'car mode' which means that it will auto shut down and auto start again when you start the bike.
but as puny said the only problem is that you cant chuck your phone under the seat and charge it overnight when your camping.
I read about your Gizmo, Bibio, but as I understand it you have to wait to order in batches?
SvNewbie
31-03-15, 03:47 PM
He has some made up at the moment unless 20 have gone since I ordered mine a couple of weeks ago.
i have stock at the moment as i have just lately made a batch of 40 of which almost half were sold instantly. so yes i have about 20 in stock.
What's a Bibio gizmo?
http://www.svbits.co.uk/electrical.htm
http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2997516&postcount=395
http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2997517&postcount=396
Is that just for an SV or does it work on any bike?
its now fully universal, unlike the SV only version to fit another bike you will have to tap into a side/tail light or brake switch with the supplied blue connector. once the blue connector is in place it will be there permanently but you can remove the gizmo at any point and all that will be left is the blue connector ready for someone else to use as its a '6.3mm T Tap' unlike the older scotchlock which you had to remove or cut the trailing wire. the T Tap is self insulated so can be left without causing any fear of damage.
Thanks, I've already wired up my sat nav and can't really be bothered doing it all again but if I need to add more stuff I'll probably buy one :)
Terry Lee
08-04-15, 03:12 PM
One of the first things I installed on my bike was a 12V accessory receptacle. I wanted it to stay live when the ignition was off, to give the option to charge the battery with a battery tender. I placed the socket up front under the left upper fairing for weather protection and to keep the lines clean. I think the installation took less than one hour. I use it during a ride with a USB adapter installed to keep my phone charging while in GPS mode and to power my Mobius helmet cam.
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Thanks Terry, I actually saw this on youtube before fitting mine!
How do you find the Mobius? Where /how do you mount it? I was thinking given its form factor it might fit well velcroed under the chin of the helmet.
Terry Lee
09-04-15, 07:10 AM
How do you find the Mobius? Where /how do you mount it? I was thinking given its form factor it might fit well velcroed under the chin of the helmet.
I'm still playing around with mounting options. I'm not a fan of the side mount. I have the remote ribbon cable which I entertained placing the lens/sensor in my helmet. I have the capacitor pack so the camera starts automatically on power application. I've played around with forming my own coiled USB power cables as per an Instructable. All in all, a work in progress. I'll post to a new thread when I deem it successful and complete.
Yes mounted on the side it would stick out unless you rotated the camera lens inside the case (which forums suggest isn't easy)... if you've set it up with a capcitor (effectively making it more a dash cam) perhaps you could use the extended ribbon cable to hide it on the bike somewhere, and not have to remove it each time you leave the bike.
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