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Iansv II
08-04-13, 11:55 AM
Prepare thyself for lots of saturation news coverage...
:smt051
You mean rest in firey hell for eternity, surely?
Iansv II
08-04-13, 12:09 PM
I sense alot of divided opinion on this... :smt040
No better time for North Korea to launch an attack now, would hardly get any coverage in the uk now
Oh Maggie where is my Milk !!!
Am I alone in thinking that this country would be in a worse state were it not for her?
For those that are old enough, cast your mind back to the "Winter of Discontent" where the ordinary man and woman in the street were being held to ransom by the Unions....... and before I'm flamed, I'm proud card-carrying member of GMB.
Would anyone else have acted so decisively in response to the Argentinian invasion of the Falkland Islands?
Unlike those that have followed, we knew where we stood with her and when we would be worse off/better off, unlike the slimey weasels of all political persuasions that followed her.
Do not speak ill of the dead.
RIP.
ding dong the witch is dead
Captain Nemo
08-04-13, 12:15 PM
whatever your political leanings, still someones mum,
RIP Baroness Thatcher
Captain Nemo
08-04-13, 12:16 PM
Oh Maggie weres my Milk !!!
probably the same place she put your education
WHERES
:mrgreen:
probably the same place she put your education
WHERES
:mrgreen:
lol an't been to comprehensive cos I was up London marching .
:)
carelesschucca
08-04-13, 12:26 PM
They say only the good die young.
Thank god she lived to 88! Its all the proof I need!
chris8886
08-04-13, 12:28 PM
Am I alone in thinking that this country would be in a worse state were it not for her?
For those that are old enough, cast your mind back to the "Winter of Discontent" where the ordinary man and woman in the street were being held to ransom by the Unions....... and before I'm flamed, I'm proud card-carrying member of GMB.
Would anyone else have acted so decisively in response to the Argentinian invasion of the Falkland Islands?
Unlike those that have followed, we knew where we stood with her and when we would be worse off/better off, unlike the slimey weasels of all political persuasions that followed her.
Do not speak ill of the dead.
RIP.
whatever your political leanings, still someones mum,
RIP Baroness Thatcher
here, here to both points above
'still someone's mum' eerrrmmm yes and they are called Mark and Carol Thatcher.. enough said really.
Spank86
08-04-13, 12:35 PM
You mean rest in firey hell for eternity, surely?
She thought she was doing the right thing for the country.
She may have been wrong but the alternatives didn't seem to good either.
The unions just got too big.
It needed someone committed
But 12 years was a bit too much.
Some might say she should have been committed......
Littlepeahead
08-04-13, 12:48 PM
She hated having to give money to Europe and was concerned we'd be sucked into a European superstate where those in Brussels would dictate to us, so she fought it all the way. She thought we'd be better off outside of the European Union and a single currency so rejected the Euro.
robh539
08-04-13, 12:52 PM
What ever your of her, she had more balls than anyone else in the government for a long time. (also a spine... she stood her ground rightly or wrongly).
RIP Mrs T
Sir Trev
08-04-13, 12:56 PM
here, here to both points above
She also helped many thousands of people to get onto the property ladder and so pass something onto their kids. The mis-management of the affordable house building programmes by successive governments usually overshadows this legacy of her premiership.
She may not have been universally popular and I can see why some despised her. Tough decisions had to be made at that time though and she had the guts to make them, unlike so many spineless morons in politics since.
I think she dragged Britain out of the 50's. That kind of up rooting was never going to be popular. Personally I think she did a very difficult job pretty well. Better than the wet lettuces we've had since then.
I think she dragged Britain out of the 50's. That kind of up rooting was never going to be popular. Personally I think she did a very difficult job pretty well. Better than the wet lettuces we've had since then.
Damn right!
RIP Baroness Thatcher.
Matt-EUC
08-04-13, 01:37 PM
You can see the headlines now. An image of death standing over maggie saying "GOTCHA!"
probably the same place she put your education
WHERES
:mrgreen:
where's :D
yorkie_chris
08-04-13, 02:05 PM
Whatever your leanings, people now laughing/gloating about the death of an old woman... well I find that incredibly distasteful.
Coming up from humble background (unlike the recent bunch of public schooled poofters, including the "workers party" ones!), knocking back the Marxist influenced unions who were a serious risk to the nation, avoiding practical national bankruptcy and giving the Argies a good shoeing. Worthy of respect even if you disagree with parts of the history, I think even a lot of her mortal enemies in government have shown her that much.
Or is Thatcherism enough of an excuse to cast aside all semblances of honour and decency?
robh539
08-04-13, 02:23 PM
Whatever your leanings, people now laughing/gloating about the death of an old woman... well I find that incredibly distasteful.
Coming up from humble background (unlike the recent bunch of public schooled poofters, including the "workers party" ones!), knocking back the Marxist influenced unions who were a serious risk to the nation, avoiding practical national bankruptcy and giving the Argies a good shoeing. Worthy of respect even if you disagree with parts of the history, I think even a lot of her mortal enemies in government have shown her that much.
Or is Thatcherism enough of an excuse to cast aside all semblances of honour and decency?
Well put
Whatever your leanings, people now laughing/gloating about the death of an old woman... well I find that incredibly distasteful.
Coming up from humble background (unlike the recent bunch of public schooled poofters, including the "workers party" ones!), knocking back the Marxist influenced unions who were a serious risk to the nation, avoiding practical national bankruptcy and giving the Argies a good shoeing. Worthy of respect even if you disagree with parts of the history, I think even a lot of her mortal enemies in government have shown her that much.
Or is Thatcherism enough of an excuse to cast aside all semblances of honour and decency?
Quite right. I wasn't old enough to be terribly political at the time, so it's dead easy to look back and judge, but I can't without doing it from the deeply favourable position of coming from the future. Which is kind of cheating.
From what I've read I'd have been with her on a lot of issues, and against on a few, but currently we have a choice of PM's who are only interested in being in power and making money for their mates. And that's all 3 of the main parties.
RIP
Jambo
I've been trying to think of a way to express my thoughts on the passing of this woman, and failing, Then I read this article and it sums it all up for me
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead---now-1818150?fb_action_ids=10151351638566714&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151351638566714%22%3A294 378587360935%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151351638566714%22%3A%22og .likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
tigersaw
08-04-13, 03:14 PM
The greatest politician I've ever known (not personally)
I've been trying to think of a way to express my thoughts on the passing of this woman, and failing, Then I read this article and it sums it all up for me
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead---now-1818150?fb_action_ids=10151351638566714&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151351638566714%22%3A294 378587360935%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151351638566714%22%3A%22og .likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
Here, here. Rest in profit, indeed.
Biker Biggles
08-04-13, 03:37 PM
I've been trying to think of a way to express my thoughts on the passing of this woman, and failing, Then I read this article and it sums it all up for me
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead---now-1818150?fb_action_ids=10151351638566714&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151351638566714%22%3A294 378587360935%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151351638566714%22%3A%22og .likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
Well I don't agree with all Mr Routledge wrote there,but the gist of it is pretty much my view of the Thatcher years too.
Blueperson
08-04-13, 03:42 PM
Beanfield. Criminal Justice Act. Clause 28. I'm glad the <removed by Mod> is dead and will be seeking out her grave to <removed by Mod> on it. Greed and profit for the individual over any sense of community. Honour and decency (yorkie_chris et al) were not in her vocabulary and (IMHO) she deserves neither.
daveyrach
08-04-13, 03:48 PM
Beanfield. Criminal Justice Act. Clause 28. I'm glad the <removed by Mod> is dead and will be seeking out her grave to <removed by Mod> on it. Greed and profit for the individual over any sense of community. Honour and decency (yorkie_chris et al) were not in her vocabulary and (IMHO) she deserves neither.
Woah :shock: not needed!
Owenski
08-04-13, 03:50 PM
I've been disturbed by the reaction of those in the office on hearing this news along with some on my facebook feed, namely because they're not old enough for that hatred to be rational IMO it is an inherited anger. A woman died, a woman who happened to be the figure head of an organisation to celebrate her death lowers your status as a human.
In fairness I know nothing other than what the media offered since her time in power but from what I can gather.
She set the way for a bringing back a Great Britain... those who followed her minced it up and dropped us into this sorry state we have now.
markc123
08-04-13, 03:55 PM
Woah :shock: not needed!
Yes, totally out of order. Some people need help before they are allowed on the internet.
maviczap
08-04-13, 04:11 PM
I've been trying to think of a way to express my thoughts on the passing of this woman, and failing, Then I read this article and it sums it all up for me
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead---now-1818150?fb_action_ids=10151351638566714&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151351638566714%22%3A294 378587360935%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151351638566714%22%3A%22og .likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
Well I don't agree with all Mr Routledge wrote there,but the gist of it is pretty much my view of the Thatcher years too.
Yes, having lived through those years much of what he wrote I agree with.
Although I have to say they were the best years of my life, but nothing to do with her
Beanfield. Criminal Justice Act. Clause 28. I'm glad the <removed by Mod> is dead and will be seeking out her grave to <removed by Mod> on it. Greed and profit for the individual over any sense of community. Honour and decency (yorkie_chris et al) were not in her vocabulary and (IMHO) she deserves neither.
Are you old enough to remember, to have lived through her governing the nation? If so, what did she do that's prompted this reaction?
If you're not old enough to remember, from where have you learned of how things were?
There are two sides to every story and I by no means agree with everything she did or tried to do. However, I am persuaded, having lived through the time, that on balance the country would be in a worse state than it is had she not been Prime Minister. I respect others, e.g. Messie, who have a different view.
Absolutely no need for for the above quoted post. Shame on you.
timwilky
08-04-13, 04:21 PM
I started my working life in the 70s. times were miserable. We had been held to ransom by miners causing 3 day weeks and power outages. I started at Leyland and was immediately confronted by union bullies. Secondary picketing. You will join.
I welcomed the incoming Conservative government. Things changed for the better. The caps on my annual salary increase were scrapped and I got on with improving my lot in life. Right through to Blair and his new labour we had a government who helped those prepared to get off their backsides.
What happened, the jealous, the lazy, the not prepared to pay their way balked that much that eventually they got the government they wanted. Yes, one that gave away everything, spent the lot and then said we have no money left you will have to pay more.
She didn't get everything right. But she did stand up for Britain's interest in a world that had written us off. We are a better nation for her time in charge.
Spank86
08-04-13, 04:30 PM
People have had over 20 years to criticise her to her face or at least while she was alive. You'd think they could shut up for one day.
Maybe it's The fault of Maggies policies that we seem to have all become less courteous and more offensive but I doubt it.
Supervox
08-04-13, 04:34 PM
...We had been held to ransom by miners causing 3 day weeks and power outages...
I welcomed the incoming Conservative government. Things changed for the better... Right through to Blair and his new labour we had a government who helped those prepared to get off their backsides.
What happened, the jealous, the lazy, the not prepared to pay their way balked that much that eventually they got the government they wanted. Yes, one that gave away everything, spent the lot and then said we have no money left you will have to pay more.
She didn't get everything right. But she did stand up for Britain's interest in a world that had written us off. We are a better nation for her time in charge.
I couldn't have put it any better myself Tim.
RIP Margaret Thatcher - one of the truly GREAT world leaders
You'll note the reaction from above the border ! She did nothing for Scotland except grind it down. You want to look at her record on the how she treated the people and industry up here. I can assure you there were lots of people up here wanting to work hard and earn. The north/south divide of have and have-nots, thanks Maggie.
Ding Dong the witch is dead and definitely didn't die young !!!! Couldn't have happened to a nicer person!
Specialone
08-04-13, 04:41 PM
Whatever your leanings, people now laughing/gloating about the death of an old woman... well I find that incredibly distasteful.
Coming up from humble background (unlike the recent bunch of public schooled poofters, including the "workers party" ones!), knocking back the Marxist influenced unions who were a serious risk to the nation, avoiding practical national bankruptcy and giving the Argies a good shoeing. Worthy of respect even if you disagree with parts of the history, I think even a lot of her mortal enemies in government have shown her that much.
Or is Thatcherism enough of an excuse to cast aside all semblances of honour and decency?
Couldnt agree more Chris, half of the people knocking know feck all about it.
I came a voter when she was in charge, i come from a working class background, my dad who died in 1978, was a big labour follower and hated the tories but i was the opposite.
I did lose faith a bit when the poll tax was introduced, i was earning YTS money at the time so it left me without a pot to pee in, but i paid every penny unlike a lot of people i knew at the time.
Will Gordon Brown and Blair get the same treatment? as they have ruined this country far worse than maggie couldve dreamed about.
BTW, this is a RIP thread, if you have disrespectful things to say about an old woman dying, please do it in another thread as i find it offensive.
Tigerrrr.......
08-04-13, 05:35 PM
She didn't get everything right, but what party/politician does?
You can't please all the people all the time.
There's a lot of negative, unjustified comments here and you may not have voted for her, but it's a bit like saying that Bill Shankly was a poor manager because you're an Everton fan.
Like it or not, she was one of the greatest politicians the country has ever seen.
RIP Baroness Thatcher.
The Idle Biker
08-04-13, 06:00 PM
I assume the lady is not returning.
andrewsmith
08-04-13, 06:58 PM
Whatever your leanings, people now laughing/gloating about the death of an old woman... well I find that incredibly distasteful.
Coming up from humble background (unlike the recent bunch of public schooled poofters, including the "workers party" ones!), knocking back the Marxist influenced unions who were a serious risk to the nation, avoiding practical national bankruptcy and giving the Argies a good shoeing. Worthy of respect even if you disagree with parts of the history, I think even a lot of her mortal enemies in government have shown her that much.
Or is Thatcherism enough of an excuse to cast aside all semblances of honour and decency?
Well put mate!!
But she did get things wrong, name a PM that hasn't!!
I don't suppose it'll come as any surprise to anyone to hear that I was a Maggie fan.
RIP.
Grant66
08-04-13, 07:41 PM
Would anyone else have acted so decisively in response to the Argentinian invasion of the Falkland Islands?
There was plenty of warnings that the Falklands were being threatened, where was the decisive action when the South Sandwich islands were invaded?
The Tories at the time were low in the polls, what better than a good war to gain her some popularity. Risky strategy, we could have lost, but British servicemen died to reclaim an island that had the intelligence been acted on earlier the invasion could have been avoided. Maybe there were less votes in that.
Other mistakes:
Decimation of the British coal industry: The argument was that British coal was too expensive, this was mainly due to repayment of government "investment". German coal (the alternative) was subsidised by their government. This was used as justifiable reason to shut down mines, destroy communities and make tens of 1000s unemployed, all to break the power of the biggest union.
Not denying the union's power needed curtailing but what a stupid way to go about it.
Poll Tax: Sorry, community charge. A millionaire in a big house pays the same as anyone else. Fair system? Not when you consider that the average families rates doubled overnight, but luckily the rich didn't suffer at all and most of them saved money. Personally I wasn't too bothered about the poll tax, due to the level of non-payment and the incompetence of the authorities to collect it, I avoided paying anything for over 2 years.
Deregulation of buses: Cheap, regular and reliable public transport wiped out overnight to what benefit?
Selling off council houses: So councils now have to use more expensive rented property, which you pay for in your council tax.
Denationalisation: We have all benefited from the competition in the energy and water industries, all now foreign owned and the British "customers" can be happy in the knowledge that they are subsidising the French and German utility bills.
Having said all that god knows what the country would have been like if Labour's Michael Foot had won the election.
Sad she died? No, but then I'm not glad she is dead either.
She was a strong leader when we needed a strong leader however misguided some of the policies were.
Spank86
08-04-13, 08:37 PM
There was plenty of warnings that the Falklands were being threatened, where was the decisive action when the South Sandwich islands were invaded?
What are you on about? Im not sure you can blame maggie for allowing the argies to station troops there in 1976 and that was the last time uh happened until march of 1982.
The Argentinians even moved the invasion forward because they thought we would reinforce, it caught everyone off guard no matter what rumblings went on beforehand.
sorebutt
08-04-13, 08:38 PM
She had balls.
RIP the inventor of Mr Whippy ice cream.
I started my working life in the 70s. times were miserable. We had been held to ransom by miners causing 3 day weeks and power outages. I started at Leyland and was immediately confronted by union bullies. Secondary picketing. You will join.
I welcomed the incoming Conservative government. Things changed for the better. The caps on my annual salary increase were scrapped and I got on with improving my lot in life. Right through to Blair and his new labour we had a government who helped those prepared to get off their backsides.
What happened, the jealous, the lazy, the not prepared to pay their way balked that much that eventually they got the government they wanted. Yes, one that gave away everything, spent the lot and then said we have no money left you will have to pay more.
She didn't get everything right. But she did stand up for Britain's interest in a world that had written us off. We are a better nation for her time in charge.
I remember the Union rep telling me what jobs I could and couldn't do. And I remember him driving up to the picket line and shouting "keep it up lads," before driving off. I remember him telling me to "stop working too hard, you're killing the job."
She inherited another broken Britain, a lame sick joke in Europe. And yes, she didn't get everything right but by the time she was ousted by jealous, grey men she left the country in a far better state than any PM since.
Sid Squid
08-04-13, 09:50 PM
Am I alone in thinking that this country would be in a worse state were it not for her?
No. Anyone with an ounce of understanding of the circumstances would wholeheartedly agree.
RIP Mrs T.
I do hope those who've been so vile about a death, will, in time, start to see how they shame themselves and cheapen their views and objections with their disgusting remarks.
http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac229/fenjer3/2013/thatcher_zps2e8e244b.jpg
BanannaMan
09-04-13, 04:45 AM
Another Maggie fan here as well.
Love her or hate her, know that the rest of the world holds her up as one of Britain's finest and truely she was.
More than just another PM. Margret Thatcher was a world leader.
Certainly the most influencial and powerful woman in modern history.
RIP
BigBaddad
09-04-13, 07:40 AM
Maggie was a great leader she stood up for Britain. If the unions had their way we'd still be running the country on coal with ferrets in our trousers. For those of you that think she damaged employment think about the damage Tony Blair and his Euro crones did. (he and his missus didn't profit at all from his reign, did they, whist giving away our powers, cash and jobs)
I was in the UCW in the 80's and the shop stewards where a joke. Many of them egomaniacs. They loved the fact they could bully management.
I see some say about Maggie, that she knew that the governments job was to run the country, not to try and run business.
Pedrosa
09-04-13, 09:56 AM
Well I don't agree with all Mr Routledge wrote there,but the gist of it is pretty much my view of the Thatcher years too.
Could not have put it better myself.
Sir Trev
09-04-13, 12:12 PM
I've been trying to think of a way to express my thoughts on the passing of this woman, and failing, Then I read this article and it sums it all up for me
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead---now-1818150?fb_action_ids=10151351638566714&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151351638566714%22%3A294 378587360935%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151351638566714%22%3A%22og .likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
Typically badly written, one-sided, inaccurate propaganda. The way some people try to blame her for things she did her best to fix, the way others blindly believe rubbish from biggots like this, and refuse to accept that the alternatives would have been far worse, amaze and sadden me.
Read up on the subject properly before believing tosh like The Mirror.
Hi all, I am an old git from Devon ex Notts and Staffs. Been biking since 1962, first bike Triumph Tiger Cub currently 2007 SP2 and 2003 SV650.
I have been lurking on here for a while now, content to read but not post however this thread has prompted me to join in.
Let me first say I worked at a Staffordshire pit and am proud to say I didn't give way to Scargills undemocratic bullying, I worked throughout the 1984/5 strike. I do remember the intimidation both of NUM officials and the violance of the pickets, particularly Scargills rent-a -mob, mostly from South Yorkshire each of whom were getting £18 per day from the NUM and were bussed around in coaches to "deal with" pits where people chose to work.
I have always been a supporter of free speech no matter how objectionable. I am old enough to remember Sunday mornings at Hyde Park Corner where any lunatic could stand on a soapbox and spout what he or she likes. I tend to take the view that most of us are inteligent enough to see through dogma and hate. It is better to have totally free speech than have politicians or the judiciary deciding what we should or should not be exposed to.
That free speech we have allows me to opine that whilst I understand that people will have different views to me on Magaret Thatcher I find the vitriole and abuse along with celebrations of her death extremely distasteful. To state that you are pleased that someone had died merely because you disagree with them is moronic, uncivilised and inhuman. It says everything about those people engaging in this sort of behaviour.
Rest In Peace Margaret Thatcher. By far the most effective, honest, steadfast and courageous politician in my lifetime.
Typically badly written, one-sided, inaccurate propaganda. The way some people try to blame her for things she did her best to fix, the way others blindly believe rubbish from biggots like this, and refuse to accept that the alternatives would have been far worse, amaze and sadden me.
Read up on the subject properly before believing tosh like The Mirror.
There have been much better articles written than that now, but that was one of the first to come out, so I feel I have read up a great deal about the subject, even though I lived through the nightmare (IMHO) Thatcher years
Hi all, I am an old git from Devon ex Notts and Staffs. Been biking since 1962, first bike Triumph Tiger Cub currently 2007 SP2 and 2003 SV650.
I have been lurking on here for a while now, content to read but not post however this thread has prompted me to join in.
Let me first say I worked at a Staffordshire pit and am proud to say I didn't give way to Scargills undemocratic bullying, I worked throughout the 1984/5 strike. I do remember the intimidation both of NUM officials and the violance of the pickets, particularly Scargills rent-a -mob, mostly from South Yorkshire each of whom were getting £18 per day from the NUM and were bussed around in coaches to "deal with" pits where people chose to work.
I have always been a supporter of free speech no matter how objectionable. I am old enough to remember Sunday mornings at Hyde Park Corner where any lunatic could stand on a soapbox and spout what he or she likes. I tend to take the view that most of us are inteligent enough to see through dogma and hate. It is better to have totally free speech than have politicians or the judiciary deciding what we should or should not be exposed to.
That free speech we have allows me to opine that whilst I understand that people will have different views to me on Magaret Thatcher I find the vitriole and abuse along with celebrations of her death extremely distasteful. To state that you are pleased that someone had died merely because you disagree with them is moronic, uncivilised and inhuman. It says everything about those people engaging in this sort of behaviour.
Rest In Peace Margaret Thatcher. By far the most effective, honest, steadfast and courageous politician in my lifetime.
Well I would say 'hello and welcome' but you consider me to be 'moronic, uncivilised and inhuman', which is an odd way to address a community of people who are new to you.
There is a name I would call you too, but good manners holds me back, for once, but I'm sure you heard it through the coach windows when you went in to work
Spank86
09-04-13, 02:23 PM
Well if you're happy about the death of a now harmless old lady I find it hard to argue with his choice of second word and wonder if he merely missed an "e" off the end of the third.
Moronic however seems a little unfair... not least to people with a mental age of 7-12 who no doubt still possess manners in the vast majority of cases.
She is as divisive in her death as she was in her life
yorkie_chris
09-04-13, 02:30 PM
Well I would say 'hello and welcome' but you consider me to be 'moronic, uncivilised and inhuman', which is an odd way to address a community of people who are new to you.
Well to be fair I'd like to think his post was more aimed at the moronic and uncivilised chap below actually or other similarly puerile responses rather than yours.
There is a name I would call you too, but good manners holds me back, for once, but I'm sure you heard it through the coach windows when you went in to work
It's an amusing hypocrisy that you suggest it, I'm sure anyone can pick what you mean.
Beanfield. Criminal Justice Act. Clause 28. I'm glad the <removed by Mod> is dead and will be seeking out her grave to <removed by Mod> on it. Greed and profit for the individual over any sense of community. Honour and decency (yorkie_chris et al) were not in her vocabulary and (IMHO) she deserves neither.
Spank86
09-04-13, 02:36 PM
I did find this humerous:
http://newsthump.com/2013/04/08/margaret-thatcher-pronounced-fit-for-work-by-atos/
especially the last line.
andrewsmith
09-04-13, 02:49 PM
Well to be fair I'd like to think his post was more aimed at the moronic and uncivilised chap below actually or other similarly puerile responses rather than yours.
+1
Messie its aimed at someone else
:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:
At last, the jokes have started. I was wondering why it was taking so long.
It doesn't usually.....:smt051
Spank86
09-04-13, 02:54 PM
I try to keep my jokes family friendly on here.
Ask any of the other GMers I'd be banned within a week if I posted a selection of the ones I tell in person.
Just stole some milk out the local primary school in her memory ;)
SvNewbie
09-04-13, 03:21 PM
I try to keep my jokes family friendly on here.
Ask any of the other GMers I'd be banned within a week if I posted a selection of the ones I tell in person.
Don't you mean wideboy would be banned if you started telling the jokes you tell in person? ;)
Spank86
09-04-13, 03:21 PM
Could be... Now you put it like that maybe I SHOULD do it.
Paul the 6th
09-04-13, 03:35 PM
My grandad was abused by Margaret Thatcher when he was a miner.
Well I would say 'hello and welcome' but you consider me to be 'moronic, uncivilised and inhuman', which is an odd way to address a community of people who are new to you.
There is a name I would call you too, but good manners holds me back, for once, but I'm sure you heard it through the coach windows when you went in to work
I'm sorry you feel my comments were aimed at you, they were not. I thought I made it very clear that I believe in free speech and everyone is entitled to their views and to air them if they so wish. The behaviour I find extremely distasteful is the vitriolic personal attacks. By all means argue she was wrong as I would argue she was mostly right. We can have a civilised disagreement over that and any other issue. I would never wish you dead or celebrate your death just because we have differing views.
As for your comment about the word I might have heard through the coach window, I think the word you refer to is "Scab" . I didn't take the coach, I went through the picket lines every night on my own. I prefer to think that after being refused a vote by a dictatorial and undemocratic NUM leadership I and others had the independence of mind to make our own decisions based on beliefs and the facts as I saw them. Others had different views and beliefs and they acted accordingly. The difference is I did not threaten anyone with violence or ostracisation for exercising different views to me.
I went to the fridge to get milk to make tea, there was none. It's what she would have wanted.
Also, we were told this was an RIP thread and to behave.... lol
Biker Biggles
09-04-13, 04:12 PM
In this case RIP stands for Rail Industry Privatisation.;)
BigBaddad
09-04-13, 04:15 PM
I think getting rid of the full fat milk that had been sweating all day by the massive cast iron radiator that stood under the window in the corridor that recieved full sun shine all day that tasted like it had been strained through old people's underwear was not such a bad idea.
Spank86
09-04-13, 04:24 PM
I haven't noticed a calcium deficiency in many of the orgers either.
I guess it wasn't that vital.
If the unions had their way we'd still be running the country on coal.
But we do. We generate more electricity from coal than from any other fuel. Millions of tonnes are imported from Russia and Columbia while billions of tonnes of UK coal lies unmolested in the ground.
We didn't give up on coal, we gave up on having a coal industry.
I agreed with some of what Maggie did entirely, I agreed with the motives but not the method in some areas and disagreed entirely with her in others. Pretty much how I feel about most PM's to a greater or lesser extent (although Gordon Brown is a struggle). Boring, I know. I don't really do fanboy-ism or blind hatred.
With the benefit of living in the future, the results of what she did in some areas puts her scorecard into the negative for me. However, revelling in the death of another human being, whether it's Mother Theresa or Osama Bin Laden, isn't really necessary. Only a couple of posts have done that though. Critical reflection on such a public life is fair game I think, inevitable really, even in a thread like this.
RIP Mrs T. At the very least you remind me of a time when politicians could get to the top still believing in something.
Spank86
09-04-13, 04:56 PM
B
We didn't give up on coal, we gave up on having a coal industry.
And now our coal is cheaper and our populace aren't dying of colliers lung.
I find it amazing that some are blaming her for the current situation calling it the result of the extension of her policies, but her policies were a reaction to what went before and there has been plenty of time since to balance out including 12 years of labour! Far easier to lay the economic success of the late 90s and start of the millennium on her than the blame for now IMHO and it certainly doesn't make sense to try it the other way round.
andrewsmith
09-04-13, 07:42 PM
Also, we were told this was an RIP thread and to behave.... lol
More chance of Preston being in drag!
yorkie_chris
09-04-13, 08:11 PM
I haven't noticed a calcium deficiency in many of the orgers either.
I guess it wasn't that vital.
I think we had in in first year or two of primary school? Wasn't it something brought in during the war due to kids being literally malnourished and it actually being needed at the time?
Anyway Wilson was the really evil b*stard, I could have right done with a pint of milk in a morning at secondary school, it's a reasonable hangover cure.
Just one more thing trotted out by people wanting a cheap shot because they can't elucidate a point about grown up politics perchance.
Spank86
09-04-13, 08:39 PM
Pretty much.
Sir Trev
10-04-13, 08:39 AM
I think we had in in first year or two of primary school? Wasn't it something brought in during the war due to kids being literally malnourished and it actually being needed at the time?
Correct. By the late '70s it was no longer necessary due to improvements in diet and nutritional knowledge. So it was a cost that could be avoided. Taking away something you do not need and saving the country a bucket full of dosh a year is common sense.
I remember the dinky quarter pint bottles in their special crate in each primary school classroom, getty hot and tasting revolting just as BigBaddad describes.
Paul the 6th
10-04-13, 09:43 AM
A good read:
"it seems Thatcher's time in power was solely spent diminishing the resources of those who had least for the advancement of those who had most"
"I suppose, that if you opposed Thatcher's ideas it was likely because of their lack of compassion, which is really just a word for love. If love is something you cherish, it is hard to glean much joy from death, even in one's enemies."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher
maviczap
10-04-13, 01:56 PM
And now our coal is cheaper and our populace aren't dying of colliers lung.
Yes, but now Colombian & Russian miners are, many of the Colombian miners are very young.
Its dangerous to be over reliant on overseas fuel, as if they want to cut off our supply, its done just like that, and there would be no back up.
Plus there are still generations of mining folk who are still feeling the effects of the pit closures today.
My guess is that they'd rather have the jobs and the mines open
Any health concerns are misplaced. In the former mining towns in this area, people die young.
Spank86
10-04-13, 03:06 PM
Yes, but now Colombian & Russian miners are, many of the Colombian miners are very young.
Its dangerous to be over reliant on overseas fuel, as if they want to cut off our supply, its done just like that, and there would be no back up.
And you think there still would be by now If we'd kept on mining?
Given that the industry was in decline anyway and that fewer pits closed on Maggies watch than in the 60's.
Any health concerns are misplaced. In the former mining towns in this area, people die young.
That'll be the deep fried marsbars.
maviczap
10-04-13, 03:24 PM
And you think there still would be by now If we'd kept on mining?
Given that the industry was in decline anyway and that fewer pits closed on Maggies watch than in the 60's. .
Myth, many of the pits Maggie closed were still profitable, better to keep them until they weren't, than paying out dole money to miners, who'd rather be working.
How much did that cost the public purse?
Spank86
10-04-13, 04:06 PM
They WERE profitable until the miners went on strike because of the closure of the unprofitable ones.
Also a myth?
Pit closures in the 60s purely in Northumberland and Durham:
Addison Colliery
Barcus Close
Barlow Towneley
Beamish Mary
Bedlington F
Bedlington Doctor
Bowburn
Brancepeth
Brandon
Burnopfield
Cambois
Chester South Moor
Choppington A
Chopwell
Clara Vale
Crofton Mill (Blyth)
Crookhall (Lanchester)
Deaf Hill (Trimdon)
Dean and Chapter (Ferryhill and Chilton)
Dinnington
East Tanfield
East Walbottle
Esh
Hamsterley
Handenhold
Harraton
Harton
Hazlerigg
Heworth
High Marley Hill
Kimblesworth
Lambton D
Lanchester
Leasingthone
Linton
Lumley Sixth
Longhirst (Ashington)
Mainsforth
Malton (Lanchester)
Middridge
(Ferryhill)
Newbiggin
New Shildon
Pelton
Randolph
Ravensworth
Anne (Gateshead)
Ravensworth Park
Ravensworth Shop
Rising Sun (Wallsend)
Roddymoor
Ryhope
Seghill
Sherburn Hill
South Pelaw
Staindrop Field House
Stanley Burn
Stanley Cottage
Stargate
Tanfield Lea
Thrislington
Trimdon Grange
Tudhoe Mill
Tudhoe Park
Ushaw Moor
Washington F
Waterhouses
West Auckland
West Thornley
Wheatley Hill
Whitburn
Wingate Grange
Witton
Add all the ones In The Black Country and I reckon you've got a lot more than the 80s.
maviczap
10-04-13, 04:31 PM
You missed my point, why did Maggie shut down the profitable ones?
Yes the Unions did need sorting out, but why shut the profitable ones down, whilst they were making money?
Keeps people in a job and not on the dole
I don't have a problem with shutting down unprofitable ones down.
But as TAM said, there's plenty of coal under ground, so why import it
andrewsmith
10-04-13, 04:31 PM
Going off at a tangent
I know where most of them pits are/ were (East Walbottle is 5 minutes from my house) quite a lot of them were small pits serving the following in the area:
Stella Powerstations (North and South)
Lemington Cokeworks- inturn Lemington Glassworks
They cleaned up the land that the powerstation, cokework and graphite works was on and pulled about 100,000 ton of coal off the land and 1,000 ton of graphite (probably radioactive as most the gear made went to windscale)
No argument that the unions needed to be sorted out. But they were. The NUM was crushed, and did more themselves than anyone else to ensure that was the case. Anything could have done to the industry after that.
I don't see the sudden loss of heavy industry in the UK, and the manufacturing base that supported it, as a good thing. Nor was it inevitable. There was a choice.
You could certainly argue coal-mining was, and would have continued to be, a declining industry - but a controlled landing might have been preferable to slamming it into the side of a hill.
Supervox
10-04-13, 04:52 PM
You missed my point, why did Maggie shut down the profitable ones?
Yes the Unions did need sorting out, but why shut the profitable ones down, whilst they were making money?
Keeps people in a job and not on the dole
I don't have a problem with shutting down unprofitable ones down.
But as TAM said, there's plenty of coal under ground, so why import it
Mrs T didn't shut / close down anything - the National Coal Board decided on the closures based on the millions being pumped into them to keep them operating.
This thread reminds me in many ways of the Easter and religion thread stated by Lozzo. The last couple of days have made me think long and hard about why I do not mourn the passing of Mrs Thatcher.
We can argue long and hard about whether what she did with the milk, the coal mines, the unions, was successful or right. Given the lack of rigorous, double blind randomised experimentation, the toss can ne argued about whether she was a good or bad thing until the cows come home.
I have come to the (reluctant) conclusion that is actually boils down to belief and emotion; as such neither can be judged to be right or wrong.
I hope that we can look on the resurrection of old debates with at least half an eye on the future. At the very least it has made me dig out some old tunes ;)
Mrs T didn't shut / close down anything - the National Coal Board decided on the closures based on the millions being pumped into them to keep them operating.
As far as I'm aware she never shot a single Argentinian either, but still gets credit for the Falklands. Bloody shirker. :p
fizzwheel
10-04-13, 05:40 PM
Is knocking Mrs Thatcher becoming some kind of national fashion trend at the minute.
Seems to be on its way to approaching Princess Di levels of hysteria IMHO.
Paul the 6th
10-04-13, 05:45 PM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RnfJTjKIgMc/UWWlJccYhkI/AAAAAAAAGQ4/DPdv1KttKgE/s560/korea.jpg
ChrisCurvyS
10-04-13, 06:36 PM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RnfJTjKIgMc/UWWlJccYhkI/AAAAAAAAGQ4/DPdv1KttKgE/s560/korea.jpg
Lol - die amwericans!
maviczap
10-04-13, 06:46 PM
Mrs T didn't shut / close down anything - the National Coal Board decided on the closures based on the millions being pumped into them to keep them operating.
Nationalised Industries: National Coal Board
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The Coal Industry Nationalisation Act 1946 provided for the complete nationalisation of the coal industry and the establishment of a National Coal Board. The Board was constituted in 1946 and in 1947 the assets of 800 or more private collieries and the contracts of their employees were transferred to the Board, along with other assets of the earlier Coal Commission.
In 1986 the name was changed to the British Coal Corporation. The British Coal Corporation has subsequently been de-nationalised.
A nationalised industry, controlled by the Government controlled NCB.
Are you seriously trying to say that the politicians of the day had nothing to do with closing down the pits. :confused:
You've also missed my point about keeping the PROFITABLE pits open, no businessman in his right mind is going to shut down a profitable concern.
Shut the loss making ones down, and then you stop pumping money into them
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RnfJTjKIgMc/UWWlJccYhkI/AAAAAAAAGQ4/DPdv1KttKgE/s560/korea.jpg
and this
https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c0.0.480.367/559549_507587222621806_1562243625_n.jpg
Spank86
10-04-13, 07:37 PM
You missed my point, why did Maggie shut down the profitable ones?
The original plan was merely to shut down the unprofitable ones.
Events transpired.
Unsurprisingly almost no coal mines have been opened since by private enterprise or continued to run except for be or two bought by miners almost all of which are now closed for good.
It's not the business of government to run private enterprise and while they were their votes were always at the mercy of the miners.
maviczap
10-04-13, 07:46 PM
Unsurprisingly almost no coal mines have been opened since by private enterprise or continued to run except for be or two bought by miners almost all of which are now closed for good.
Yes, because cheap Colombian & Russian coal filled the market gap left by the closure of the pits.
Why would anyone consider opening a mine in the face of competition it couldn't win against.
Spank86
10-04-13, 07:49 PM
I don't have a problem with shutting down unprofitable ones down.
All 70 of them? The miners did.
Yes, because cheap Colombian & Russian coal filled the market gap left by the closure of the pits.
Why would anyone consider opening a mine in the face of competition it couldn't win against.
There you go then. Unless your suggesting that the Russian coal wouldn't have been cheap without the pit closures?
Why would the government. It may be more expensive in the short term to pay dole money than subsidise industry but that's the path to a stagnating economy and lowering living standards. It's not the job of the government whereas the safety net is.
Biker Biggles
10-04-13, 07:52 PM
The original plan was merely to shut down the unprofitable ones.
Events transpired.
Unsurprisingly almost no coal mines have been opened since by private enterprise or continued to run except for be or two bought by miners almost all of which are now closed for good.
It's not the business of government to run private enterprise and while they were their votes were always at the mercy of the miners.
The government brought in a new man to head the NCB from america(Mc Gregor?)who was to close it down all bar a tiny rump of pits.This was government policy and nothing to do with actual profitability.The strike,however poorly managed by comrade Scargill, was about resisting this policy,as it represented a death sentence for tens of thousands of jobs and oblivion for whole communities.Whatever you think of MT she headed the government that did that,and did similar to other industries too.It is interesting to compare the longterm effects of those policies today against,say,France Germany and Netherlands who did not shut down their manufacturing industries.They seem to own most of what is left of ours now.
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