Brighton Monday 6th May

[Mark_h]

It's your choice to ride without a restrictor. It's my choice to not knowingly ride with uninsured riders who in the event of taking me off will find it difficult to cover my losses. At least I now know where I stand.

[The Idle Biker]

aaah quit with yer common sense jibber jabber. Get a pulpit and preach to those that wanna hear yer. edit winky ;-)

[DJ123]

I did start with a restrictor which I learnt with. I took it off when I knew I was ready. I've never dropped the bike or had any accidents. I know what I'm doing is technically wrong and I'm playing with fire but I don't wish to have an argument on my hands which I think will happen if we continue debating the topic.
In the end of the day I know the facts and risks and its my choice to take it off. That's the end of it and any further discussion will only end in tears I think. So I think its probably best to leave it at that

It's your choice to ride without a restrictor. It's my choice to not knowingly ride with uninsured riders who in the event of taking me off will find it difficult to cover my losses. At least I now know where I stand.

TBF Mark makes a good point. It's only your license at risk, but without insurance its everyone one else at risk should something occur.

[Spank86]

You weren't the only one marks comments were relating to.

[SvNewbie]

TBF Mark makes a good point. It's only your license at risk, but without insurance its everyone one else at risk should something occur.

To be fair, I think the way it would work is that his insurance would have to pay out for the third-party damage, his own bike wouldn't be covered and their is a fair chance they'd sue him to try and recover their costs.

Edit: Just had a google on that one, not sure if its strictly true so take with a large pinch of salt and let the unrestricted-restricted riders ride in front of you!

I'll stay out of the debate since I only started riding when I was deemed old enough to pass DAS and never faced the should I shouldn't I decision.

Only thing I'd point out other than that is that I was surprised by how little it showed up that StuR was restricted, other than overtaking traffic. Probably helped that he's quicker than me around the corners.

[Mark_h]

Stu is getting good first. He will coincidentally get quick. He'll then swap to his quick bike and be uncatchable by most. Just wait and see.....

[Winder]

Maybe the last 3 bikes i've owned have been restricted without me knowing and i'm actually rapid

[Mark_h]

You sir are a special case cat!

[Fallout]

I was gonna chime in with the fact I did DAS too, so never had to go through the restrictor pain. Then I remembered I rode a 125 for 2 years first, and then learnt all my higher speed skills on an SV for 3 years before I moved onto the Gixxer. So I suppose I restricted myself. Thank you, thank you, you may congratulate me now for being sensible.

[Wideboy]

I'll repeat what I've said on countless restriction threads on this forum.... I passed when i was 17 and sat through my restriction to the end. Despite people saying you'll never get caught i had 2 run in's with the law.... first i was caught speeding and one of the requirements when producing my documents was my restriction certificate... second i had an accident which involved no one else and no damage to property, but the police attended bike was taken to recovery yard and was scrutinized by "engineers" (bike was ****ed anyway) to check it was restricted and again i had to produce.

It's just not worth it. Simple as that really.

[Spank86]

Technically I also rode a 125 for two years although there was a bit of a gap between that and my 600.

I also had a 200 for a year after passing DAS but that was a psycho two stroke so doesn't really count as restricting.

[Mark_h]

And I'd love to see any of the new cats try and get anywhere near Fallout, Spank or Wideboy on anything vaguely nadgery on similar bikes.

[Wideboy]

another point is young people wonder why their insurance is so high?!

[DJ123]

another point is young people wonder why their insurance is so high?!
Gav, aren't you still young? Although you do act like an old man

[Spank86]

I wouldn't mark.

I'd feel responsible for the mess that the emergency services might have to clean up.

[Wideboy]

Gav, aren't you still young? Although you do act like an old man

yes but i only pay 180 quid a year insurance :smt041

I got through the baby biker stage before bike insurance premiums got hiked!

[Winder]

I'm getting a bit better Mark. Tom would prob disagree after last night but i'll get there. I know what you are saying about learning while going slower. I went the DAS route like a few above and never had any bike restriction BUT i have found i have learnt alot more taking it slower and working on better lines/my vision/throttle control etc. If i try to go fast i have to plan faster which means i miss a gear or have to brake harder than is comfortable and instead of being smooth it feels all snatchy and horrible and ends up way slower.

[DJ123]

yes but i only pay 180 quid a year insurance :smt041

I got through the baby biker stage before bike insurance premiums got hiked!

Snap, my insurance is cheap too, for the time being. When i get a bike worth a good chunk more i'll be paying more no doubt.

[Spank86]

You'll find if you stop planning you'll need a lot less time to do that stuff.

[Wideboy]

Snap, my insurance is cheap too, for the time being. When i get a bike worth a good chunk more i'll be paying more no doubt.

i dunno, i got a quote on an 08 R1 2 years ago when i was looking and it came up at 340 something fully comp.

[Jammy]

Soooo where do i fall in on this then

[SvNewbie]

Soooo where do i fall in on this then

Off most likely ;)

[Jammy]

Just wondering because 'It's your choice to ride without a restrictor. It's my choice to not knowingly ride with uninsured riders who in the event of taking me off will find it difficult to cover my losses. At least I now know where I stand.' is quite a damning thing to say........ considering my reputation

[Spank86]

Soooo where do i fall in on this then

Bout the bottom of your drive usually from what I hear.

Just wondering because 'It's your choice to ride without a restrictor. It's my choice to not knowingly ride with uninsured riders who in the event of taking me off will find it difficult to cover my losses. At least I now know where I stand.' is quite a damning thing to say........ considering my reputation

Your bike is perfectly restricted for your abilities...at least it is at the moment. :p

[Wideboy]

Soooo where do i fall in on this then
into the back of my van never to see the light of day again

[stuR]

Thats a good point about his insurance and ours in the incident of an accident. I guess im lucky tim was up front with the big boys in that case. Also about the police seeing things online, look at the thread i posted earlier on ib..a guy caught for boasting online about peverting the course of justice.

[Fallout]

I don't blame anyone for wanting more power. Having silly power is the comparatively safe way to get your kicks. Obviously you can still die in any one of a thousand horrific ways in a straight line, but its very very easy to wind on, hang on and go weeeeeeeeee! When you see someone on a faster bike blast by, you know you can fix that 'weakness' with your wallet.

When someone is faster around a corner though you know there's a lot of work required to get as good as them, and often you can't see yourself ever being quick enough to handle a bike like they do. The main reason why I got the Gixxer wasn't for the power, but was because when I test rode Paul's I instantly felt more confident on corners and that's what I needed in my life.

For me the fear/thrill/pleasure of nailing a corner will always outweigh straight line giggles, but I do understand why people want more power. I probably would in restricted shoes too, especially if I rode with faster riders, but knowing what I know now about where I get most pleasure from riding, I probably would've left it on.

[SvNewbie]

For me the fear/thrill/pleasure of nailing a corner will always outweigh straight line giggles

Following you though that nice sweeping left on the A272 was probably the furthest I've had the SV leant over. Had a massive grin under my helmet!

[Fallout]

Which corner was that Mike? My fave moment was the A283 to A27 junction that rises up. Everyone in the inside lane and pinning it round the outside. Love that corner! The fear of low siding off the road and flying into oblivion below adds to the butt clenching! :D

[Spank86]

That's the bit that my TEC duties were somewhat neglected.

I did return to positioned we hit the A27 though.:oops:

[SvNewbie]

Which corner was that Mike? My fave moment was the A283 to A27 junction that rises up. Everyone in the inside lane and pinning it round the outside. Love that corner! The fear of low siding off the road and flying into oblivion below adds to the butt clenching! :D

Ah yeah, that is a good one. Think my butt was too chicken to deal with the fall into oblivion thought :)

Not sure exactly which one it was, though I'm pretty sure you knew it was coming because if I'm not wrong you backed off from the person in front to let you take the corner with a bit more gusto!

Also, once again, what a good route Tony took us on. Fast roads, tight twisty roads, gravelly single track roads, tunnels, traffic jams and even a quick blast down the dual carriageway. Great fun!

[Fallout]

Traffic was also fairly light for a bank holiday. It was a good ride out. :)

[Tomor]

After following Mark through the pirbright bends, he was remarkably smooth! Hardly using his brake and letting good gear selection and engine braking do all the work for him. He is obviously working on his riding and its working for him! Jamster take note! I don't think Mark likes my exhausts as he was a bit far behind me the first few times :-)

[SvNewbie]

Hmm, just looked up where those bends are and apparently they are reducing the limit to 30 / 40 mph. That'll take the fun out of it...

[Tomor]

Yeh apparently. Better make the most if them whilst they are mostly nsl

[Mark_h]

Going to castrate the Pirbirght twisties ..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo

[Spank86]

Write to them and explain why they shouldn't.

[Wideboy]

It's only a guide line

[Mark_h]

Problem is Pirbright is a right hoon of a lane. If you get pulled in a 30/40 along it you're going to need a bus pass for a while. No houses, no junctions, no need. If someone comes off on a bend and hits a tree, the tree soon gets over it. The rider on the other hand .....

[Wideboy]

They did this at the cadnam go circuit down here. the police soon got bored and stopped hanging around it. It changed nothing

[Fallout]

What's wrong with a few "Bikers think!" signs? Then the council have done their bit to remind us we may die if we go nuts, and everyone can continue to drive at normal speeds up a deserted, junctionless, well surfaced road.

[Fallout]

Well, here's the doc detailing the info. 77 accidents I think since 2009.

http://mycouncil.surreycc.gov.uk/documents/s4689/Item%209%20-%20Pirbright%20Bends%20Speed%20Limits.pdf

Here's a case of a biker having a head on with a car. Apparently impact happened 2 feet across the white line and the car driver had time to say "This biker is going to hit me" rather than actually getting out of the way. Fair play to her. It's better to commentate on someone's impending death than try and stop it.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2044284_motorbike_passenger_killed_on_summers_day_ ride

Here's some nice lift-off oversteer in a G40.

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I'd still take the freedom of a national over the statistics.

.... back to trip advisor ... :(

[PyroUK]

You on about the dual carriage way that snakes up and down hill where the group split up for a bit?