View Full Version : Fitting a Scottoiler.
Anyone done a guide?
Or willing to give me a few pointers or even help out, could be tea and cake for you if you do... :D
mysteryjimbo
13-03-06, 10:26 AM
Touring or standard?
Its dead easy. Even you can do it! :wink:
What bike?
SV650SX... lovely... scratched... dented... curvey...
Standard...
So... who wants to help me then?
Cloggsy
14-03-06, 09:40 AM
I've got a guide for a K3+ bike, but not a curvy :(
I've got one for a KTM LC8 too :oops:
I put mine under the left side panel, next to the shock. Its hidden and you can easly check it without having to remove the rear seat, plus you dont loose any space.
On the frame there is a threaded hole, using the mounting kit you can mount the scottoiler there. The pipe to the sprocket can go behind the swingarm. The vac pipe goes between the fuel tank, splice into fuel valve vac pipe (note vac pipe not fuel pipe) and using the T peice place inline.
Well thats how i did it anyway and it still works fine when i last checked.
I consider myself a bit of a clown when it comes to things like this, and I'm a tad worried about screwing up something that cost me 70 quid. Even someone bring there bike over as a guide would help... call me paranoid if you would but I'd rather be safe then sorry.
Also as I'm doing 140 miles a day I imagine I'll have to fill it up abit so I need to put it where I can get to it easily, or run a 'feed' pipe to.
Might invest in a lube tube...
Just found this too...
SV Carb'ed guide (http://www.scottoiler.com/userfiles/file/instructions/110_Suzuki%20SV650%20Carb.pdf)
On the Scottoiler web site... !
Still a little paranoid...
Got any pics of the reservoir mounted?
http://www.pyroserve.com/tsm/TSM_scottoiler_fitment_1.jpg
http://www.pyroserve.com/tsm/TSM_gillesLHS1.jpg
Yes the colour is odd, it not that anymore.
Thanks! Any ones else... I like the posistion but I might be a tad worried about how grubby it would get.
Found these instructions in the archive:
http://www.sv650.org/sv_feb00.htm
12/02/2000 - SCOTTOILER - I fitted my Scottoiler at the weekend using the instructions below and other comments from the site as guidance.
It took me just under 3 hours but I work real slow otherwise things tend to go pear shaped (from experience!). The Scottoiler kit looks well made and all the fittings and bits you need are included. I guess everyone will fit their slightly differently, it's all down to how you want the tubing to run and where you want to mount the main unit. It cost me �65 from MPS.
The only problem I had was that when I lowered the tank down the vacuum hose that is joined to the fuel tap under the tank pulled away from it's connector. I did not know this at the time. I started the bike and it ran for a minute or two, coughed, spluttered and died. I could not restart it. Checking all connections highlighted the unfastened vacuum hose and I duely fastened it again, this time using a cable tie too. I still could not start the bike. I should have realised why but, as I have said many times, mechanics are not my thing. A quick call to John my mate soon had the answer (sorry to all those who already know this stuff, I'm posting it for the others like me who don't realise!).
As the vacuum had disconnected the fuel had ceased to be drawn into the carbs and the engine had been running on the fuel that was left over in the carbs, this only lasted a minute or two as explained. There was no fuel in the line or carbs. Usually there is a PRIME setting on the fuel tap switch but the SV doesn't have one so you have to prime the fuel line and carbs with fuel yourself. There are two ways to do this (as far as I know).
1) Turn the engine over and over on the starter motor which will create the vacuum and eventually pull the fuel through from the tank and 2) suck on the vacuum tube yourself to pull the fuel through. I opted for 2) and sucked on the vacuum tube (there is fuel vapour that your breath in as you suck and I had a great 5 minutes as the garage started to spin! Far out man......)
I started the bike no problem once the system was primed and the Scottoiler dripped as it should have.
Moral of the story......make sure the vacuum tube doesn't come off when you start the bike up after fitting and also don't run out of fuel, if you do you'll have to use option 1) above once you've found a garage and filled the tank.
IMAGES - I have not written instructions so view these images (http://www.sv650.org/scottoiler/index.htm) in conjuction with these words (http://www.sv650.org/sv_feb00.htm#11/02/2000%20-%20MORE%20SCOTTOILER) from David and Doug.
fizzwheel
14-03-06, 02:21 PM
TSM I looked at putting my Scotoiler there but I couldnt work out where the hole was in the frame to screw it to. Also I was worried about it being close to the rear shock.
Any chance of another pic or two ? I'll take the side panel of again and have another look at it, are you using the standard resevoir mount or have you modified it ?
Im using the standard mount (the two rubber rings with a 90deg peice of metal and bolt). Dont have bike at my house so cant take more pics at the moment, but there should be a hole in the main bit of the frame that you can use.
It does not touch the shock, if its mounted too low it will probably get touched by the chain, but i had mine there from the start and it was never damaged.
Franco1
14-03-06, 02:59 PM
Being relatively new to biking and at the risk of being shot down! Are these Scottoilers any good and are they worth the money?
fizzwheel
14-03-06, 03:23 PM
Being relatively new to biking and at the risk of being shot down! Are these Scottoilers any good and are they worth the money?
Yes & Yes, I wouldnt be without one now.
I've lost the instructions for mine.
Is it the higher the number the more oil is fed through?
Ta
I've lost the instructions for mine.
Is it the higher the number the more oil is fed through?
Ta
yep... it indicates a increase in the flow rate, but not how much it has increased as that depends on the lenght of tubing and how high it is.
I have mine installed in the same place as TSM. Used the same method of mounting too. Although the delivery tube to the rear wheel is fitted different. You can't see it at all the way I have routed it.
Works well, It is quite tight to the rear shock, but that's only because I have a Gixxer shock on. There was plenty of space with the standard shock.
Being relatively new to biking and at the risk of being shot down! Are these Scottoilers any good and are they worth the money?
Depends on how you use the bike, what sort and how frequent is the maintenance you want to perform etc.
If doing a high mileage / commuting regularly then absolutely worth the money. However if your bike is more of a plaything that sees mostly just fair weather and you don't mind manual change lubing, then maybe your money would be better spent elsewhere...
Being relatively new to biking and at the risk of being shot down! Are these Scottoilers any good and are they worth the money?
Depends on how you use the bike, what sort and how frequent is the maintenance you want to perform etc.
If doing a high mileage / commuting regularly then absolutely worth the money. However if your bike is more of a plaything that sees mostly just fair weather and you don't mind manual change lubing, then maybe your money would be better spent elsewhere...
Don't forget a correctly fitted Scottoiler is also said to promote chain life compared to normal loobing.
northwind
15-03-06, 12:39 PM
Only because nobody cleans and lubes their chains as much as they're supposed to ;) I doubt it'd make any difference if you were really on top of the cleaning and lubing.
Only because nobody cleans and lubes their chains as much as they're supposed to ;) I doubt it'd make any difference if you were really on top of the cleaning and lubing.
I've tried cleaning and loobing a chain correctly... talk about eat up your Sunday. :D
What setting have you guys got your oilers on? When I first left home I left it on 9 then ajusted when I got back to 5. Though it does not 'apear' to be fast enouogh and I've moved it up to 7.
I've attached to the right hand side vacuum pipe.
fizzwheel
23-03-06, 01:45 PM
In the winter I have it turned up to about 7. In the summer it stays on about 4.
I use how much fling I get on the back wheel as a guide, if theres a lot of fling I turn it down a notch until theres a few flecks of oil on the wheel rim. If theres no fling I turn it up until I do see a few flecks fling.
It'll take a little bit of fiddling to get it set right, but that seems to work for me
HTH
Cheers.. I thought maybe I'd note connected something right and the draw was to slow.
Has anyone fitted the Scottoiler on say the underside of the swinging arm so you don't get that awkward looking bit of tube that wraps round the swinging arm as per that guide in the archives?
I think I need to be investing in one of these shortly as I know I don't lube my chain as often as I should to, but aren't a fan of the bits of tube everywhere. Can you also put the "dripper" somewhere else where it's less visible?
Has anyone fitted the Scottoiler on say the underside of the swinging arm so you don't get that awkward looking bit of tube that wraps round the swinging arm as per that guide in the archives?
I think I need to be investing in one of these shortly as I know I don't lube my chain as often as I should to, but aren't a fan of the bits of tube everywhere. Can you also put the "dripper" somewhere else where it's less visible?
I was going to fit just the tubing on the underside, but I wanted to be able to use my Mircron stand and as it doesn't have cups it would crush the tubing. I would us the Abba stand but thats got the other SV on it. I'd ask BigApe what he did as he's managed to hide his all together.
fizzwheel
23-03-06, 02:40 PM
I've got my tube routed and hidden behind the swing arm, also I've got the dripper attatched to the screw hole in the swing arm for a paddock stand bobbin. You can hardlty see it.
I used some of the cable guides that come with the kit and glued them to the inside of the swingarm.
Viney did a top notch job on e.d.s K5 and you cant see her tube at all. It just takes some thought and careful placement of the tube. He zip tied the tube into place using the mounts the rear hugger and then ran the tube behind the hugger which hides it nicely.
Personally I wouldnt mount it to the swing arm your remote resevoir will get covered in road muck. Its better off behind the panel where Grinch put his or under the pillion seat IMHO.
Also if you did that you'd still end up with the vacum tube being wrapped or near the swing arm also theres a breather pipe as well that you'd have to do something with. So I reckon one tube on show is better than two.
Personally I wouldnt mount it to the swing arm your remote resevoir will get covered in road muck. Its better off behind the panel where Grinch put his or under the pillion seat IMHO.
It works rather well just there.. though I did find that I couldn't get the screw the 'right' tightness...
http://upload4.postimage.org/48701/DSC00829.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/48701/photo_hosting.html)
looks ok though.. add a extra cable tie to make me feel better.
I've got my tube routed and hidden behind the swing arm, also I've got the dripper attatched to the screw hole in the swing arm for a paddock stand bobbin. You can hardlty see it.
I used some of the cable guides that come with the kit and glued them to the inside of the swingarm.
Viney did a top notch job on e.d.s K5 and you cant see her tube at all. It just takes some thought and careful placement of the tube. He zip tied the tube into place using the mounts the rear hugger and then ran the tube behind the hugger which hides it nicely.
Personally I wouldnt mount it to the swing arm your remote resevoir will get covered in road muck. Its better off behind the panel where Grinch put his or under the pillion seat IMHO.
Also if you did that you'd still end up with the vacum tube being wrapped or near the swing arm also theres a breather pipe as well that you'd have to do something with. So I reckon one tube on show is better than two.
Yeah I seem to have been a bit vague, I did mean the tube bit of the oiler by mounting it under the swinging arm. Thought the idea of mounting the oiler continer near the shock was a winner, have you got any pics of where your tube is mounted?
fizzwheel
23-03-06, 02:50 PM
I can take some and post them up. But it wont be till tomorrow night as I wont be in this evening.
I can take some and post them up. But it wont be till tomorrow night as I wont be in this evening.
That'd be great cheers.
Is it worth getting one of those double dripper jobs? And am I right in thinking the "universal kit" which is about £70 is the one I should be looking at?
Am I full of questions or what??? :lol:
fizzwheel
23-03-06, 02:57 PM
Its called Dual Injector. I havent got one so I wont comment. I know that certain well respected members of this site think that they are a waste of time and its just a gimmick to get you to spend more money.
I've got a single injector and it works just fine.
Suppose when you think about it, the lube is bound to make it's way around both sides of the chain anyway if you have the single injector. It's looking like a good purchase, think I'm convinced!!! :D
I still think my description was a better name for it!!! :D
Suppose when you think about it, the lube is bound to make it's way around both sides of the chain anyway if you have the single injector. It's looking like a good purchase, think I'm convinced!!! :D
I still think my description was a better name for it!!! :D
Its odd, cus if you look in the 'standard' instructions, it shows the lube working its way to the other side. So why would you need a dual injector...?
I'm going to get hold of a lube tube next.
Personally I wouldnt mount it to the swing arm your remote resevoir will get covered in road muck. Its better off behind the panel where Grinch put his or under the pillion seat IMHO.
It works rather well just there.. though I did find that I couldn't get the screw the 'right' tightness...
http://upload4.postimage.org/48701/DSC00829.jpg (http://upload4.postimage.org/48701/photo_hosting.html)
looks ok though.. add a extra cable tie to make me feel better.
This is where I have mine mounted. Was a bit of a pig to get it tight properly but worth the hassle.
I mounted mine there, and over time the bracket has snapped. Its now Cable tied there as well :D Still works a treat though
beefcake
24-03-06, 02:03 PM
I've got a dual injector scottie. Cost about £90 to buy and was on my bike when I bought it. I prefer to lube my chain the old fashioned way. The Scottie works well and my chain and sprockets have done 14k and show no signs of needing replacement. I was going to stick it on ebay, but if anyone is interested, I'll let it go for £45 incl postage. Only thing I don't have is the instructions to fit it. it is easy to do mind, and the instructions are available on the scottoiler website.
www.scottoiler.co.uk
Will even throw in a new bottle of scott oil.
Beefy
Ceri JC
24-03-06, 03:01 PM
I used to have the touring oiler till is snapped my snow plough (like Mass experienced). I've since gotten a replacement 'plough and relocated the scottoiler to the subframe, under the tailpiece/pillion seat. A lube tube is shoved in there too, which helps delay refiling (I use old engine oil and put the flow rate pretty high, so it needs refilling regularly if no additional resevoir is used).
i have just won one from ebay..................who wants to fit it for me?
you will recive endless cups of tea/coffee cake biscuits etc etc :oops:
valleyboy
12-01-07, 08:16 PM
Found this online...
http://www.scottoiler.com/support_installation-guides.asp
not checked for the SV on there... but me Kwak is.. so Im happy... :lol:
tis on there ....but i just get a blank screen?
valleyboy
12-01-07, 08:27 PM
Works for me.. you need Adobe reafer on your PC, as its in PDF format..
anyone got any reasons why I cant do it this way on my bike ?
http://www.foc-u.co.uk/reviews/scottoiler.htm
feed to front sprocket ?
Works for me.. you need Adobe reafer on your PC, as its in PDF format..
anyone got any reasons why I cant do it this way on my bike ?
http://www.foc-u.co.uk/reviews/scottoiler.htm
feed to front sprocket ?
:smt033 Adobe reafer ???
how do i get it? is it FREE?
valleyboy
12-01-07, 08:39 PM
Adobe reader is free...
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
as for if I can or cannot feed to front sprocket, I have found out I can.. as thats how your supposed to do it on the Monster... so thats possibly a bit less pipe to run.. :lol:
im dowmloading it now.....thanx
im dowmloading it now.....thanxI am the scotoiler fitting king of kings. Ride to south london and i'll fit it for ya. In all honesty shouldnt take more than 40 mins start to finish to fit a scotoiler to an SV
im dowmloading it now.....thanxI am the scotoiler fitting king of kings. Ride to south london and i'll fit it for ya. In all honesty shouldnt take more than 40 mins start to finish to fit a scotoiler to an SV
:notworthy: :king:
thanx...........but i think i will give it a go had a good look about & now it looks ok
although i have not been out to look at the bike, the pipe you cut looks a bit like the petrol pipe :shock: so i dont want to mix them 2 up :roll:
Don't forget to order the extra 'suzuki t-piece' from Scottoiler before you order. Else you won't be going anywhere.
Don't forget to order the extra 'suzuki t-piece' from Scottoiler before you order. Else you won't be going anywhere.
:shock: eh? what for
the one i got is from a breakers off ....?
is it to connect the pipe u cut back up& to add the oiler pipe to?
fizzwheel
12-01-07, 10:59 PM
is it to connect the pipe u cut back up& to add the oiler pipe to?
Yep... it rejoins the pipe you cut and also gives you a take off for the vacum pipe that operates the valve in scotoiler that makes the oil flow.
If you need spares you can get them from Scotoiler themselves. Theres a huge list of spares on their website they are very good and stuff normally arrives next day.
I'm not sure what it's for but if you e-mail scottoiler they will send you one for free.
valleyboy
13-01-07, 05:27 PM
T bit should be in the box hovis... it came in my box anyway, but Im lucky enough not to have to cut anything to plug in the vacuum hose...
I still havent finished mine yet.. :oops: all piping is run, resevoir bit is tucked under my seat.. all easily gotten too etc...
cant get it onto the chain by the rear sprocket properly... all pipes are run very neatly to the rear of bike, cant actualy tell its there appart from pipe running from near engine to under my hugger...
but to mount the injector bit is now a pain, as the bits supplied with it for that are useless, my mounting points for the swing arm bobbins etc are back a fair bit from the edge of the swing arm on both sides, hence the bit wont fit on there... :cry: i can drill into swing arm and screw into that... but not particularly wanting to do that option :?
its used :oops: no box or instructions :oops:
How much did you pay for it Hovi5? I'm contemplating a loobman as I'm too tight to buy a scottoiler. I manually lube the chain at the moment and it's not too much hassle really.
£30 ebay i was thinking of a loobman £20 but think the extra £10 will be worth it...(if it works) IMO
what i liked about the loobman it says you can use any oil, so i would use old engine oil :wink:
why cant you do this with a scottoiler?......or can you?
HEED..........you seem to be asking my advice a lot lately :lol: :lol: :shock:
HEED..........you seem to be asking my advice a lot lately :lol: :lol: :shock:
Well you see, the way I look at jobs on the bike is if you can do them they should be easy for me :P
Only kidding mate. It just seems that you are using quite a few of the products I'm thinking of getting.
what i liked about the loobman it says you can use any oil, so i would use old engine oil :wink:
why cant you do this with a scottoiler?......or can you?
To be honest, oil is oil is oil. I doubt the Scott wil complain if you stick something like chainsaw oil in there, it'll just flow differently.
Mind, I use a loobman, so ignore me :)
[quote=hovi5]HEED..........you seem to be asking my advice a lot lately :lol: :lol: :shock:
Well you see, the way I look at jobs on the bike is if you can do them they should be easy for me :P
quote]
thats a fair point. :wink: the jobs i have done have been basic, but i think i have saved a lot of £ by doing them... changing indys, throttle, hot grips are the harder jobs i have done, but did them ok as i will with the scottoiler.
i plan to do my own servicing too :? although the 16000 one is going to the shop as i dont fancy doing the valves................but i said that about the other jobs at first
i have had lots of help & advice off peeps on here to help me :grouphug:
northwind
13-01-07, 06:36 PM
IIRC Rictus uses used engine oil in his? Could be wrong, though. No real reason not to unless you think it'll kill otters or something :) Though if there's c**p in the oil it could cause problems for the oiler.
oldjack
13-01-07, 06:50 PM
Engine oil contains emulsifiers, if you use it on your chain it will form a sludgy gunk containing emulsified water droplets and promote rusting. Scottoil doesn't do this, neither do some cheaper thin automotive oils though, e.g. automatic gearbox oil, they act like dewatering oil, to displace any water without mixing with it.
Lots of org members recommend engine oil though so it must be OK for them, just my preference.
chazzyb
13-01-07, 08:05 PM
Mind, I use a loobman, so ignore me :)
I've got a Loobman too. It was a present. It's still in its packet. I fitted a Scottoiler today. In the cold light of day, the thought of having to squeeze the bottle every 50 miles or whatever, put me off using it.
I use cheapest brand of Dextron Type III Automatic Transmission Fluid I can find , light viscosity, high in detergent for cleaning. it seems to be identical in apperance & properties as the stuff that comes with the kit
just got my scottoiler delivered.......
http://upload5.postimage.org/270487/dcp_2387.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/270487/photo_hosting.html)
but im a bit confussed..... the pipe off the bottom gose to the chain ?
& the pipe at the top is joined to the vac.......so what is the thin black cable on the top & whats the bit of black pipe?
http://upload5.postimage.org/270511/dcp_2389.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/270511/photo_hosting.html)
http://upload5.postimage.org/270518/dcp_2390.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/270518/photo_hosting.html)
minifun
18-01-07, 03:04 PM
Yep the one off the bottom goes to the chain. The one off the top to the vacuum and the one off the side/top is a breather/where you fill it up! I didn't have any more than that!
....but im a bit confussed..... the pipe off the bottom gose to the chain ?
& the pipe at the top is joined to the vac.......so what is the thin black cable on the top & whats the bit of black pipe?
...don't want to sound condescending or patronising (that means talking down to :wink: :lol: ) but just to be absolutely clear, since getting it the wrong way round could be undesirable :shock:
The vac pipe comes out of the middle of the cap where the adjuster dial is. All the vac does is lift a needle valve to allow the oil to flow out, it doesn't put vacuum into the reservoir or anything.
The oil feed to the chain comes out of the middle of the bottom clear end
The square rubber plug in the side is the filler plug, simply ease it out, and the pipe on that has a filter in the other end and is the breather to allow air in when the oil drips out.
thanx
so the T- bar joins to the thin black pipe as so ......
http://upload5.postimage.org/270837/dcp_2395.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/270837/photo_hosting.html)
then cut into the vac pipe
so you fill it up through the breather pipe? with a sringe?
& finaly what is this with a bolt through it............is it just a fixing bracket?
http://upload5.postimage.org/270869/dcp_2389.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/270869/photo_hosting.html)
Gently pull the square black rubber plug out of the side of the reservoir to reveal the filling hole.
The Scottoiler bottles come with a spout and pointy nozzle to fit into the hole but you could improvise if you don't have a Scotty bottle (might be worth investing in one just to get a convenient way to fill??)
If I recall correctly :? the right angle connector for the vac pipe has a damper in it to soften the pulsations a bit.
Yep, the bolt thing is a mounting bracket. They come with a variety of bits and pieces to mount the reservoir, you just use whichever is most suitable.
thank you i now have all the info i need :wink:
im dowmloading it now.....thanxI am the scotoiler fitting king of kings. Ride to south london and i'll fit it for ya. In all honesty shouldnt take more than 40 mins start to finish to fit a scotoiler to an SV
I've got the same problem as Hovi5 :shock: an ebay special with no instructions and probably bits missing. So if that offer is open to all I could well take you up on it. :D
Stu, if you are at Soho tomorrow night (wind permitting) I can show you how the Oiler fits to the SV. Which pipe goes where etc.......
thank you i now have all the info i need :wink:
:oops: where does the breather go .up or down or does it not matter?
fizzwheel
19-01-07, 08:41 AM
thank you i now have all the info i need :wink:
:oops: where does the breather go .up or down or does it not matter?
I dont think it matters. But I've got my breather above the resevoir. Also its tucked away so that the dirt cant get at it.
:thumbsup: job for saturday if its raining...................then that is it, all done the list is complete
:smt017 i think
:oops: got another one for you :roll:
is it ok if the oiler is empty? will it do any damage?
:oops: got another one for you :roll:
is it ok if the oiler is empty? will it do any damage?
It wont damage the scott, but you'll need to re-prime it when you fill it ;)
has anybody fitted the pipe to the front sprocket? if not why? as it seems a good idea as the bottle is closer? :?
http://img15.imgspot.com/u/07/20/12/SVSScottoiler0161169401134.jpg
It's an aftermarket sprocket without the damper ring. If you use a std sprocket you could probably put it onto the chain just as it leaves the sprocket.
The Scotty clear tube sits inside the black plastic pipe which pushes onto a stub on a bracket held by the clutch cable. This forms a stop to fix the length, and then some of the Scotty thin black capillary tube runs down the steel pipe onto the sprocket, which does the metering of the oil.
It uses very little oil, I reckon quite a lot gets blown clear of the chgain when it's at the rear wheel but tucked in behind the cover it's quite sheltered so nearly all gets onto the chain.
northwind
21-01-07, 05:40 PM
Funnily enough, Scottoiler don't recommend it... But it does seem to work perfectly well, so who knows why...
has anybody fitted the pipe to the front sprocket? if not why? as it seems a good idea as the bottle is closer? :?
Funnily enough, Scottoiler don't recommend it... But it does seem to work perfectly well, so who knows why...
plus the sprocket/clutch worm cover would stop oil flicking all over the place?
:?
has anybody fitted the pipe to the front sprocket? if not why? as it seems a good idea as the bottle is closer? :?
Funnily enough, Scottoiler don't recommend it... But it does seem to work perfectly well, so who knows why...
plus the sprocket/clutch worm cover would stop oil flicking all over the place?
:?
any body???? know why ???????
valleyboy
22-01-07, 12:42 PM
I ran through this a few times, and decided to put mine onto the rear sprocket.... I think scottoiler discourage people from putting it onto front sprocket for a good reason.
If your flow rate is too high on it, it ****es out oil and splashes everywhere.... so if you have lots of oil splashing onto your front sprocket, wheres it going to fling to ? onto the face of the rear tyre is where a lot of that splashing will end up going.... if it splashes on the rear sprocket, it just gets flung around and at worst, the sidewalls of your tyre get caked in oil...
after running through a few worst case scenarios through my head of too much oil coming out when on a spirited ride... I decided to run to rear sprocket... as I dont want to spin up my back wheel while going round left hand bends...
Ceri JC
22-01-07, 02:52 PM
I think RandyO has fitted his to his front sprocket (I think I remember reading him planning to do it- don't know if he actually did).
I'd keep it on the back for the reason VB gives, as well as ease of access, maintenence- checking the drip frequency, etc. I know it might theoretically look tidier on the front, but:
a) A well-fitted scottoiler install is practically invisible, unless you're crawling round on all fours looking for it anyway.
b) I'd rather any extra oil was on rear sprocket as it's out there in the open, exposed to the road and more likely to get coated in crap than the front sprocket.
I think RandyO has fitted his to his front sprocket (I think I remember reading him planning to do it- don't know if he actually did).
I'd keep it on the back for the reason VB gives, as well as ease of access, maintenence- checking the drip frequency, etc. I know it might theoretically look tidier on the front, but:
a) A well-fitted scottoiler install is practically invisible, unless you're crawling round on all fours looking for it anyway.
b) I'd rather any extra oil was on rear sprocket as it's out there in the open, exposed to the road and more likely to get coated in crap than the front sprocket.
I was thinking of moving it to my front sprocket, but never did
problem with the front sprocket is it's hidden and it would be necessary to remove the sprocket cover to count drips when adjusting
I have the black capillary pipe almost touching the side of the sprocket so as a drip begins to form it touches the sprocket and gets whipped away. There are never any free drips of oil around to get blown away, so everything ends up on the chain where it's supposed to be.
I don't bother counting drips, just set the dial to 3 and watch the chain to see if it needs more/less.
I understand the arguments, and wouldn't necessarily recommend everyone does it, but in my experience with this set up (and a mate has one on his SV too) it keeps the chain damp with virtually no fling onto the back wheel and minimal oil usage.
Considering some of the mods some people do I'm not sure I'd rate this one as "high risk", but we all make our own assessments. :wink:
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Weren't you in Shaun of the Dead?
northwind
22-01-07, 09:26 PM
If your flow rate is too high on it, it p*sses out oil and splashes everywhere.... so if you have lots of oil splashing onto your front sprocket, wheres it going to fling to ?
Hum, even on full mine won't do more than drips... Very low pressure system, the Scottoiler. But (as I always have to say) mine's an antique so it could be the design's changed.
fizzwheel
22-01-07, 10:06 PM
Hum, even on full mine won't do more than drips...
Mine does if I accidently leave it on prime :oops:
whats this prime all about???
is it just puting it on full till it drags the oil through?
& if im sat at the lights reving my bike (as you do) will it pi$$ out?
fizzwheel
24-01-07, 08:41 AM
When you first set it up, you set it to "prime" if you look on the twisty dial on the end where the VAC pipe connects to you'll see numbers and then the word prime. When its set on prime it lets the oil rush continually through so that you can bleed all the air out of the system. Once you've done that you then set it to one of the numbers each number is supposed to correspond to the number of drips per minute. i.e. if you set it on 3 it'll drop 3 drips of oil per minute onto your chain.
If you leave it set on prime and then go for a ride it empties your scotoiler rather quickly and the oil goes everywhere :oops:
It runs all the time so yep if you are sat at traffic lights it will still drip oil onto your chain.
:oops: #-o
i have drops on mine instead of numbers......& honestly did not see the word prime, but just checked :oops: so will be fitting this afternoon.
:thumbsup:
valleyboy
24-01-07, 12:11 PM
Just to correct Fizz....
the numbers DO NOT corespond to drops per minute.... its just a gauge... you have to manualy time the drops, i.e. sit and watch how much oil comes out in a set time, the newer manuals tell you this, as the length of pipe, height from resevoir to nozzle, temperature etc will all effect flow rate... so the numbers are there just as a gauging method.. i.e 10 will let the most oil out (after prime) and 1 lets the least amount of oil through... and not 5 = 5 drops per minute.. etc
for priming the system, you take the pipe off the rubber bit on the breather hose... (i.e. leave the rubber bit connected to resevoir) and on your scottoiler bottle and pipe etc, at the end is a nozzle you stick into the rubber bit... after you have set the scottoiler to prime, squeze the oil into the resevoir, and keep on squeezing until oil starts to come out of the nozzle on your sprocket, making sure there is no air in the pipe... your system is now primed..... its a gravity fed system, so needs the oil already in the pipe to start pulling the rest of it out with it...
You lot actully watch the drops?????? Like embee, set and watch the chain.
valleyboy
24-01-07, 12:47 PM
I set it until my chain looked clean.. then backed it off few notches.. turn it up again everynow and again to self clean.. etc.. bugger sitting there with a stop watch... its set so the sidewalls on the tyre arent splattered with oil! :lol:
how do you fit the bottle by the shock ? the only holes there are one above the other,but at totaly the wrong angle
the only thing i can thimk of is to make a bracket?
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northwind
24-01-07, 07:09 PM
The kit comes with a wee 90 degree bracket... Hmm, awkward to explain. See in TSM's pic, you have the oiler intself. Then that's got the plastic things round it with the bolt through it. I fitted a 90 degree bend to that.
how do you fit the bottle by the shock ? the only holes there are one above the other,but at totaly the wrong angle
the only thing i can thimk of is to make a bracket?
http://upload5.postimage.org/343445/TSM_scottoiler_fitment_1.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/343445/photo_hosting.html)
made a bracket...........6 houss later nearly done :roll:
i just want to be 110% sure b4 i get mr stanley knife out
the picy is the underneath of the tank & i need to cut the pipe coming from the bottem?
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