No license No Lid No Brains

[cosmiccharlie]

What was she thinking :shock:

http://www.wftv.com/news/8287241/detail.html#

[Filipe M.]

What was she thinking :shock:

Most probably she wasn't... :?

[Daimo]

No sympathy.

[Spiderman]

Probably "I'm dying to have everyone notice me on my new bike, and i wont wear a lid so they all know who i am"

Little sympathy for her tbh. The day i picked up my SV i rode it so slowly home i'm sure an old lady with a zimmer frame overtook me. Self preservation first in my eyes.

[Filipe M.]

The day i picked up my SV i rode it so slowly home i'm sure an old lady with a zimmer frame overtook me. Self preservation first in my eyes.

Hehe know exactly what you mean. 3 mile ride home from the dealer, I was glad it all straight :oops:

[Daimo]

Funny thing for me when i got mine.

Im all nervous on it, got to a roundabout, stopped. GF pulled up behined me in the car. I went to pull off, stalled it (lack of throttle contro then lol), she assumed i've gone, went to go, rammed me (slow speed) and i very nearly dropped the bike!!!! The look of fear on her face was something else. Only been on the bike 2 minutes

Fortunatly she rammed the rear tyre and her little car came off worse than my bike. Took a few layers of T-cut and polish to wipe the marks off the bumper :lol:

I couldn't have a go, her face said it all "IM SO SO SO SO SORRY" :D :lol:

[Peter Henry]

We are talking about the loss of a young girl of just 19 years here. Someone's daughter,girlfriend,wife or sister. :?

I think the issues in question are more the environment she lives in that would make her feel her actions in using a bike when totally ill equipped to do so was ok. :shock:

[Anonymous]

We are talking about the loss of a young girl of just 19 years here. Someone's daughter,girlfriend,wife or sister. :?

I think the issues in question are more the environment she lives in that would make her feel her actions in using a bike when totally ill equipped to do so was ok. :shock:

:winner:

At last someone whos not jumping on the old sv650.org "im higher than thou" bandwagon.

Well said Peter.

[Halonic]

A bill before the Florida House of Representatives could have prevented the accident. The proposed legislation would require safety training and proof of endorsement before a motorcycle can be purchased or registered.

No Sh*t :roll:

So apparently in Florida I can walk into any bike dealer and buy an R1 with no proof I actually have a license?

yeah that wasn't going to end badly

[Daimo]

We are talking about the loss of a young girl of just 19 years here. Someone's daughter,girlfriend,wife or sister. :?

I think the issues in question are more the environment she lives in that would make her feel her actions in using a bike when totally ill equipped to do so was ok. :shock:

Shes not dead yet, so its not a loss.
Its only legal to ride without a helmet in some states.

Commen sense dictates a bash hat, simple logic.

Im not sure of the legalitys in the UK, could you go into a shop and buy an R1 or such without producing a license?

[tricky]

No one asked to see my licence when I bought my SV.

I do feel a little sorry for the girl, (like Peter said she is someones daughter etc) we all do stupid things from time to time, however it was lucky that no-one else was injured, an out of control bike at 50 mph (let alone a 100) can do a lot of damage.

Also presumably no insurance (not sure what the law is in the states).

Pretty stupid and irresponsible whichever way you look at it mind.

[Peter Henry]

Daimo wrote:

Commen sense dictates a bash hat, simple logic.


It is safe for you to pass such a comment now my friend. However just prior to me getting my first ever 250 in Jan 1977 the law in the U.K. changed and made crash helmets compulsory.

Before that,a large amount of people did not wear a helmet at all.

Where maybe common sense is relevant in this particular case is why she would actually go and buy a machine with apparently no training or prior knowledge of how to control a motorcycle.

I am though relieved that she is in fact not deceased tbh. :wink:

[Halonic]

Im not sure of the legalitys in the UK, could you go into a shop and buy an R1 or such without producing a license?

a valid license showing a catagory A qualification must be presented on registration of a new vehicle, and a valid license number must be used to transfer registration of a vehicle.

[jonboy]

It may sound harsh (and offend GYKD's sensibilities) but a perfect example of Darwinian Law. Sad yes, but totally preventable with just an ounce of common sense - plus what kind of "friend" was she riding with? First ride, no helmet, no licence, 100mph? And her friend is okay with that?


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[Peter Henry]

Jonboy...Shame on you! :shock: You being the father of a daughter yourself 'n' all! :?

[Daimo]

Daimo wrote:

Commen sense dictates a bash hat, simple logic.


Where maybe common sense is relevant in this particular case is why she would actually go and buy a machine with apparently no training or prior knowledge of how to control a motorcycle.


At 100mph as well.

You make a damn good point :lol:

[Ceri JC]

It may sound harsh (and offend GYKD's sensibilities) but a perfect example of Darwinian Law. Sad yes, but totally preventable with just an ounce of common sense - plus what kind of "friend" was she riding with? First ride, no helmet, no licence, 100mph? And her friend is okay with that?

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Yep, I can picture it now, "Just try to keep up, you'll be fine, it's a powerful enough bike; You'll pick it up quickly" (mutters under breath) "...or crash spectacularly." as he rolls on the throttle.

Helmet law/politics aside; I can't say I have a great deal of sympathy, she may only have been 19, but at that age, I knew taking a car out without a licence was a big no no. If I had done and then crashed it, I certainly wouldn't be expecting sympathy.

[Peter Henry]

Daimo...I harp back to my first point. Of course there is no way on this earth that girl should have been on that bike,absolutely not.

But she and her friends thought differently. Therefore where perhaps Jonboy or myself or any other parent on here would have stepped in or some genuine friend would have explained the potential dangers' and implications,it would appear that this girl had the benefit of none of that. :?

[fizzwheel]

Jonboy...Shame on you! :shock: You being the father of a daughter yourself 'n' all! :?

I think he's got a point Peter. What sort of parent / friend lets there child / mate go out on a motorbike which lets face it is a lethal machine in the wrong hands without first making sure that.

1. They know how to ride it.
2. They are riding a suitable machine for their skills
3. They are legally entitled to ride the machine on the road

When your young you have no fear and you wade in before you think of the consequences of your actions. I know I did when I was 17 or 18.

My dad wouldnt sanction me getting anything more than a 125 and he insisted that i rode that around for at least 6 months before I put into do my DAS, I went out for a couple of rides with him and then we talked about getting a bigger bike once I had some miles under my belt. He stipulated again that a SS600 was not a suitable first bike bike and took time to explain to me why. When I talked to him about getting an SV he said he was fine with that. He was fine with me moving up the GSXR recently having spent two years honing my skills on the SV.

I listen to and respect my dads opinion on biking. He's older and wiser than me. It seems to me that if the young lady in question on that article had had some wise councilling like I was lucky enough to receive then maybe she wouldnt have found herself in the unfortunate and saddening situation she is now.

[Anonymous]

It may sound harsh (and offend GYKD's sensibilities) but a perfect example of Darwinian Law. Sad yes, but totally preventable with just an ounce of common sense - plus what kind of "friend" was she riding with? First ride, no helmet, no licence, 100mph? And her friend is okay with that?


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No offence taken what so ever Jonboy... :wink:

Its kinda strange.. once upon a time on here it would be me posting about doing stupid things like that.. but following my recent ban, ive realised the errors of my ways and this kind of stuff makes my blood chill in fear.

I put it down to me losing my promotion to london as a result of losing my license. Sometimes it takes something like that for us to learn. Thankfully in my case the police stopped me before i ended up injuring myself or someone else.

Just a pity the police hadnt stopped her before she did what she did. Hope she pulls through, and realises her mistakes.

[jonboy]

Jonboy...Shame on you! :shock: You being the father of a daughter yourself 'n' all! :?

But how is the fact that I have a daughter (two to be precise) in any way related to the post and also my reply?

I replied with objectivity and no emotional attachment, and certainly stand by what I said - particularly the shared culpability of her so-called friend.


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[jonboy]

Hope she pulls through, and realises her mistakes.

Me too.


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[Peter Henry]

Fizz and Jonboy...I don't think we are a million miles apart in our thinking actually. There has been a little cross over in posts being displayed.

BTW...She had been riding for 20 minutes and hit 100mph? So do we assume that she might have actually had at least some elementary instruction? :?

p.s...Jonboy I was only pulling your leg anyway mate! :wink:

[fizzwheel]

BTW...She had been riding for 20 minutes and hit 100mph? So do we assume that she might have actually had at least some elementary instruction? :?

Possibly, but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out how to open the throttle does it ?

[Peter Henry]

Fizz...No it doesn't,but she has at least pulled away from a standing start at least once? In addition there must be the possibility that she has also made several gear shifts also?

But hey don't get me wrong,I am not defending this at all. :?

[fizzwheel]

Fizz...No it doesn't,but she has at least pulled away from a standing start at least once? In addition there must be the possibility that she has also made several gear shifts also?

But hey don't get me wrong,I am not defending this at all. :?

its OK I understand what you're getting at.

I agree she must have had some element of basic machine control / understanding in order to pull away and run up through the gears. I'm harking back to when my dad taught me to ride. after a couple of stalled starts I was happily riding around a field after a couple of minutes. I'm wandering if thats all she was given and then out on the road she went.

[Peter Henry]

Fizz..Sadly you might be very close to the mark there. :shock:

[Anonymous]

Fizz...No it doesn't,but she has at least pulled away from a standing start at least once? In addition there must be the possibility that she has also made several gear shifts also?

But hey don't get me wrong,I am not defending this at all. :?

its OK I understand what you're getting at.

I agree she must have had some element of basic machine control / understanding in order to pull away and run up through the gears. I'm harking back to when my dad taught me to ride. after a couple of stalled starts I was happily riding around a field after a couple of minutes. I'm wandering if thats all she was given and then out on the road she went.

Not too sure about this Fizz & Peter.

I hadnt even seen a motorbike up close before i did my CBT... hadnt read about how to ride one either.. but i still knew what each lever did and how to ride one... i just seemed to have the knowledge from somewhere. :?

[jonboy]

Whatever, the really tragic thing is that is was completely preventable and that she didn't have the mature support of close friends (and possibly family).

And you know what? There'll be quite a lot of folk who'll look at this and say "see, that's what happens when you ride a motorcycle". All that press coverage has done no-one any good.


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[Anonymous]

Whatever, the really tragic thing is that is was completely preventable and that she didn't have the mature support of close friends (and possibly family).

And you know what? There'll be quite a lot of folk who'll look at this and say "see, that's what happens when you ride a motorcycle". All that press coverage has done no-one any good.


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Totally agree with everything written here.

:cry:

[cosmiccharlie]

Whatever, the really tragic thing is that is was completely preventable and that she didn't have the mature support of close friends (and possibly family).

And you know what? There'll be quite a lot of folk who'll look at this and say "see, that's what happens when you ride a motorcycle". All that press coverage has done no-one any good.


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If that was in England the 'Eurocrats' would have had motorcycling banned even before the emergency call was made,

Does show how relaxed (too relaxed) some countries can be when it comes to safety and education - kind of give us your money and I'll give you a bike and let's worry about training later,

[Daimo]

Daimo...I harp back to my first point. Of course there is no way on this earth that girl should have been on that bike,absolutely not.

But she and her friends thought differently. Therefore where perhaps Jonboy or myself or any other parent on here would have stepped in or some genuine friend would have explained the potential dangers' and implications,it would appear that this girl had the benefit of none of that. :?

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, why on earth was she allowed on there.

There was the moron that let her ride it, bet they were being cheered by their ultra cool hip hop friends as well.

I would never ever let anyone ride a powerfull bike that hasn't ridden before. Stick to the smaller cc bikes.

I consider my SV my learning step. I let my un-experience (road) friend ride it up and down the road (made him wear a bash hat, gloves etc). Only becuase he's got off road MotoX experience.

[Spiderman]

I'm sorry, but i for one dont se why there is so much sypathy being shown to someone who made their own choices about doing something potentialy deadly.

If her firends had given her a loaded gun and dared her to play russian roullete would we be feeling sorry for her that she shot herself?

She's 19 not 9 ffs and at that age you should have a good idea that going fast on a bike is dangerous. No one but her made her twist that throttle as hard as she did.
No one but her made her buy the bike.
The local laws about helmets are another issue and i have witnessed many a sports biker rider wearing one in places where the law says its not compusory.Why? I guess cos they knew it was a good idea to protect themselves.

Its not a holier than tho attitude from me btw, just simple common sense. If someone gave me a jet fighter to fly, with my minimal flying skills, you can bet i wouldnt be trying to break Mach1 on my first go, more get myself acquainted with whats what and how the safey feature works, ie the ejector seat should i need it. And i'd damed well have a lid and a flightsuit on too, even if the law said i could fly naked.

I feel more sorry for innocent people who are killed in night time bombing raids that go wrong courtesy of the american attitude that "as long as we got our target the collateral damage is acceptable" They truly did nothing to bring it onto themselves. This silly girl made a lot of choices of her own free will (maybe with a bit of peer pressure thrown in) and really gets very little of my sympathy. Live and learn is the moral here imo.

[lynw]

Ok lets look it like this. Would anyone here do their CBT on an R1 or a Hayabusa?

And not bothering with the training and going straight onto the road ride without it?

I suspect knowing how sensible us SV owners are, none would do that. But this is what this woman chose to do. She bought a big bike without a licence or without, it appears, knowing how to ride.

She made a bad decision. Whether thats down to her friends influence or whatever, she made the choice to ride a bike beyond her capabilities. She could have chosen a smaller bike, or opted for some proper training or even chosen not to ride but she seemingly didnt. At the end of the day, as has been said shes 19 not 9. Shes an adult and should take responsiblity for her actions. For that I have no sympathy.

What I do feel sorry for is the fact she lives in a country where peer pressure is a killer. Where you can buy a machine without a licence and no-one stops you. And where common sense precautions like lids are not mandatory.

Sorry if thats too holier than thou, just saying it as I see it.

[Peter Henry]

Spidey..So the fact that she did something that realised it's potential danger's...i.e. she got hurt.Is ok according to your thinking? Meaning that as far as you are concerned she deserved all that she got?

Despite the deep flaws in her actions and decision making, I for one do NOT agree with that sentiment. :?

[Spiderman]

Spidey..So the fact that she did something that realised it's potential danger's...i.e. she got hurt.Is ok according to your thinking? Meaning that as far as you are concerned she deserved all that she got?

Despite the deep flaws in her actions and decision making, I for one do NOT agree with that sentiment. :?

Its like a kid who climbs a tree, and slips and falls. You takes your chances, you pays the price. whenever i did something like that as a kid i dint expect anyone to feel sorry for, sometimes i was glad i didnt get a clip round the ear from my mum for doing something so stoopid.

I would never have watched her do it and thought "i hope you get really badly hurt to teach you a lesson you stoopid bint". Thats not where i'm comming from. But at the same time i dont really feel sorry for her.
More for her family and friends who now have to spend time and emotions on her.

[GC-SV]

I feel that the ones with her could possibly have advised her more wisely in wearing a helmet, protective gear etc.

But then again if it permitted not to in that state you have to blame the authorities. Although just because they say you don't have to waer a helmet doesn't mean you have to agree and go along with it.

I hope she makes a full recovery.

[Ed]

I think it's all about the rise - and inevitable fall - of freedom of choice.

Old Peter (not Henry) principle applies: man rises to the level of his own incompetence.

[Warthog]

Spidey..So the fact that she did something that realised it's potential danger's...i.e. she got hurt.Is ok according to your thinking? Meaning that as far as you are concerned she deserved all that she got?

Despite the deep flaws in her actions and decision making, I for one do NOT agree with that sentiment. :?

No no, if she had gotten run over by a truck which wasn't her fault, then it was silly for not wearing a helmet but I would feel sorry for her. But it was her own inability to ride and disregard fo safety that got her into trouble, and being of a similar age to me (and I'm certainly not young and bloody stupid) she has noone but herself to blame and I don't feel sorry for her.

And yes we can afford to be high and mighty about this stuff, because we HAVEN'T done anything like this. Remember the high and mighty rules: If someone broke the law you can't be high and mighty cos we all have in a small way at some point, but if someone does something REALLY dumb, then we can condemn it without being hypocrits. ;)

BTW my Dad fought the compulsary helmet law when it was being introduced. He already wore a helmet before, but just didn't like being told what to do :roll:

[Kate]

Come on guys, she is 19! As spidy said, no one but her made that choice. She was unbelievably stupid to do what she did and surprise surprise, look what happened. Nope, no sympathy here, if anything just irritated as what happened will reflect on all bikers.

[Peter Henry]

Alas it would appear that my 7 years of training for the priesthood has led me to be far more forgiving of those that err than some people. Rather than judge I try more to understand. It does seem that I am at conflict with many of my fellow orgers on this particular issue. :?

[lynw]

Alas it would appear that my 7 years of training for the priesthood has led me to be far more forgiving of those that err than some people. Rather than judge I try more to understand. It does seem that I am at conflict with many of my fellow orgers on this particular issue. :?

So that will be a change of username to Saint Peter then? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Understanding is one thing and I think she probably did it under peer pressure which I feel sorry that she felt necessary to bend to.

But that doesnt absolve her from being responsible for her actions. The problem in this day and age is people want sympathy, understanding and usually someone else to blame but not to face up to the consequences of what they do. That may be why most people now are pretty much out of sympathy for self induced daftness.

I hope she recovers and learns from this. I just find it hard to sympathise with this level of stupidity though. :(

[Peter Henry]

lynw wrote:

So that will be a change of username to Saint Peter then?

Unfortunately Lyn that would be pushing things a little too far. Especially due to leaving my chosen vocation under something of a cloud. Due to unfounded allegations of my over fondness of altar wine and the suggestion of me getting in to dirty habits........ when they were still being worn by Sister Theresa! :oops: :P

[lynw]

lynw wrote:

So that will be a change of username to Saint Peter then?

Unfortunately Lyn that would be pushing things a little too far. Especially due to leaving my chosen vocation under something of a cloud. Due to unfounded allegations of my over fondness of altar wine and the suggestion of me getting in to dirty habits........ when they were still being worn by Sister Theresa! :oops: :P

:lol: :lol:

Just had a call to say a mates in hospital having had someone u turn on him. So thankyou for putting a smile back on my face with that post.

[Peter Henry]

Lyn....Hope your pal is not too badly injured and that a swift recovery takes place. :?

[Andy13_uk]

that is just stupid, at 100 i doubt she could keep her eyes open, visor open at that speed is killer!!

I spend lots of time of smaller bikes and think that if i was to go on a SV (still not a powerfull machine comapared) i would have had a accident i think.

Sounds like she wasnt thinking that day

[lynw]

Lyn....Hope your pal is not too badly injured and that a swift recovery takes place. :?

Unlikely. Update is a broken leg, damaged knee ligaments where his knee went into the car. Possible operation but wont know for a couple of days - docs are waiting for the swelling to go down. Possible shoulder injury too.

:cry: :cry:

[timwilky]

I am not going to get into the rights and wrongs of her riding. She has made her own stupid mistake and has to live with it. However, I am a little suprised that with the US Blame and Claim culture, anyone would be willing to sell a bike to someone who is obviously not equiped to use it.

I predict that should the seller be a dealer that he will shortly find himself in pocession of a writ citing him partially responsible for the injuries to this girl by selling her a motorcycle without adequate instruction to its use, failure to provide adequate safety equpment, etc.

[Peter Henry]

Well it is not just in America that stupidity like this happens is it folks? Many of you will know very well where these pictures were taken.....

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9623/r1girl1kd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


So even in highly trained,sensible England at a venue where many experienced bikers were present. They simply stand and watch this girl get on this R1 with cold tyres,(err humm the bikes! :shock: ) apparently showing off potters round a roundabout and gives it way too much gas and oh dear me.......


http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/7277/r1girl27hh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The only saftey equipment I can see are natures air bags which unfortunately helped very little in this high side!

[Peter Henry]

*unashamed bump* :P

[Fizzy Fish]

and that's one of the reasons why I don't go to the Ace...

Lyn - please pass our best wishes to your friend BTW

[lynw]

Well it is not just in America that stupidity like this happens is it folks? Many of you will know very well where these pictures were taken.....

So even in highly trained,sensible England at a venue where many experienced bikers were present. They simply stand and watch this girl get on this R1 with cold tyres,(err humm the bikes! :shock: ) apparently showing off potters round a roundabout and gives it way too much gas and oh dear me.......

The only saftey equipment I can see are natures air bags which unfortunately helped very little in this high side!

"They simply stand and watch this girl get on this R1 with cold tyres" puzzles me. What else is anyone to do? :?

Frankly her mate shouldnt have given her the keys. But I suspect he did so not realising she had had a few drinks. Its not clear from the LB forum where these first surfaced whether he had warned her about the R1 and what too much throttle can do.

End of the day she chose to test ride the bike wearing inappropriate gear. Another decision badly made and I am of the understanding made under the influence of several drinks prior. Again she chose not to put on a lid - I dont believe that there wasnt one available for her to borrow.

End of the day she was trying to show off riding a bike clearly beyond her capabilities and under the influence. I guess she wont be doing that again.

I posted this in Soho last week as to why the police seem to be cracking down on the biking culture in London. We really, really do not help ourselves when things like this happen. :?

[Peter Henry]

Lyn...I made that statement as at times we are quick to condemn our American cousins for silly actions. I was comparing the stricter environment that we Brits come from and you guys mostly ride in. The TV campaigns etc. Along with having to go through training before getting a license.

Based on all of the above,I do find it odd,(yet understandable I guess...not wishing to get involved?) that the audience just casually stood by to watch the entertainment.

Where was the Harry Enfield character who stood up and said "NO!"

Apart from you slapping me on that point :oops: I am I think of a similar mind set to yourself on this. :wink:

[Fizzy Fish]

You criticise the audience for just standing by, but it can be difficult to say anything in these situations - for a start most people there wouldn't know that she'd been drinking or that it wasn't her bike. So the only thing you could raise would be the lack of helmet, and possibly the choice of clothing.

So what are you gonna say "excuse me but wouldn't it be an idea to wear a helmet and proper gear?" as she rides past you at speed? Chances are she won't hear, and if she did you'd probably wouldn't get a sympathetic response.

IMO the two people responsible for this were the girl and whoever gave her the keys to their bike, and it seems unlikely that anyone else could have prevented this specific situation. However that said I'm sure she's seen loads of poeple do similar stuff there before so thought it was OK.

[Peter Henry]

Rizla..I dont think I criticised the audience,but I passed comment that I thought it odd. But I am merely being Devil's advocate here. Of course the blame and responsibility does not rest with them.

I bet she won't be wearing the skimpiest of bikini's on her hols this year will she? Silly girl. :?

[Fizzy Fish]

Rizla..I dont think I criticised the audience,but I passed comment that I thought it odd. But I am merely being Devil's advocate here. Of course the blame and responsibility does not rest with them.

I bet she won't be wearing the skimpiest of bikini's on her hols this year will she? Silly girl. :?

PH playing Devil's advocate? surely not... :wink:

[PsychoCannon]

Looking at the news post it seems she didn't have any lessons and the fact that someone saw the crash from their porch suggests to me she was doing a tonne through a residential area putting other people at risk as well (even more so that she was just by getting on the bike in the first place)

Yes she shouldn't of been allowed on the thing in the first place (Friends/Famillyshould of been a sensable/moral counter-balance).

Luckily no one else was hurt and she's not dead, I hope she makes a full recovery and isn't too badly disfigured from a 100mph crash with no lid on, she's young and as stupid as this was she should have her whole life ahead of her and this is one hell of a lesson for her (we hope).

Oddly enough my biggest hope is that this doesn't put her off bikes! and that she gets back on her feet and back on 2 wheels albeit via a slightly more sensable progression this time!

[Cloggsy]

Stupid b1tch :roll:

[Peter Henry]

Our Yorkshire diplomat was quoted as saying:


Stupid b1tch

:P :P :P :P

[Cloggsy]

Our Yorkshire diplomat was quoted as saying:

Stupid b1tch

:P :P :P :P

My reports always used to say 'doesn't suffer fools gladly,' I take that as a complement :wink:

[fizzwheel]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9623/r1girl1kd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Have a look at this picture again. What do you notice.

1. The left hand side wing mirror is missing possibly broken.

2. She's got the clutch pulled in and IMHO appears to be coasting.

To me that looks like she's showboating. All morons like this do is give the rest of us a bad name.

Like others have said thats two peoples fault. The person that gave her the keys, and her. I wander how much the owner loved that R1 if they were riding it around with a broken / missing mirror. I hate it when I have little niggles on my bike and if that was my R1 I would have had it put right straight away.

[Ceri JC]

You criticise the audience for just standing by, but it can be difficult to say anything in these situations - for a start most people there wouldn't know that she'd been drinking or that it wasn't her bike. So the only thing you could raise would be the lack of helmet, and possibly the choice of clothing.

So what are you gonna say "excuse me but wouldn't it be an idea to wear a helmet and proper gear?" as she rides past you at speed? Chances are she won't hear, and if she did you'd probably wouldn't get a sympathetic response.


Agreed. I've ridden my bike a short way across a car park to refuel it on a lunch stop, without my gear on, or even a lid. If one of the "holier than thou" brigade had given me a lecture on it, I'd rightly tell them where to go. People often don't speak out at these sort of situations for this reason; what's the best that will happen? The person will stop, park the bike, go and get their leathers and lid on, thank you for bringing them to their senses and then go on their way? It's far more likely you'll get a lot of abuse, as the person is either in a rush, or just a reckless fool.

It's the job of people's friends (if anybody) to give them a ticking off for this sort of behaviour, not total strangers.

Although, as total stangers, we can still have a guilt-free chuckle when they have an off when they're being stupid like this.

[Peter Henry]

Fizz...I wonder how much he loved HER, before she added a few more niggles of her own!? :P