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hall13uk
22-06-06, 12:10 PM
:cry:
got stopped yesterday on the m20 109.41 mph
unmarked Volvo estate followed me for about 15-20 miles & as soon as i went over the limit on the m20 on the big down Hill stretch near brands hatch @ wrotham he nicked me :cry:
oops and ouch!
get yerself a good lawyer.
and careful in the showers.
Kilted Ginger
22-06-06, 12:17 PM
:(
Did they clock you at that speed :?:
Is that an automatic ban :?:
ooops :(
no comfort me pointing out JakeRSs thread in Selkent where we were discussing where the police are on the M20 and I pointed out theyre quite often around Wrotham/Maidstone.
Thought I'd reiterate it for anyone else who uses the M20 and doesnt know about this.
Moral of the story is not to speed on the M20 between Ashford and M25. I can guarantee the police are on there somewhere either in marked or unmarked cars. And its why I rarely went over 90/95 on my commute.
Take it by nicked thats a verbal NIP issued and a court date due. Good luck with it anyway.
That is one moerse high speed you were doing there H! :shock: Did you not see the two uniforms in the car or the unusual amount of aerials on the car as you passed then :?: :(
hall13uk
22-06-06, 12:21 PM
what annnoys the hell out of me is how long there were following me :x from the a2 - 5 miles down the m20 thats gotta be 15 - 20 miles & just as soon as the road was clear & i started to speed up they nicked me. there was no reason to follow me think they just wanted an easy nick
what annnoys the hell out of me is how long there were following me :x from the a2 - 5 miles down the m20 thats gotta be 15 - 20 miles & just as soon as the road was clear & i started to speed up they nicked me. there was no reason to follow me think they just wanted an easy nick
Its your record mate...Bike hoodlium that you are. :lol:
Not a good one mate at all. Best of luck.
what annnoys the hell out of me is how long there were following me :x from the a2 - 5 miles down the m20 thats gotta be 15 - 20 miles & just as soon as the road was clear & i started to speed up they nicked me. there was no reason to follow me think they just wanted an easy nick
So 109 is you just having "started to speed up". :shock:
What speed were you doing before?? :?
Were you above 70? Were you filtering at speed or weaving through traffic? There could be a host of reasons they decided to follow you. But if you were speeding already then you gave them an easy nick, more so by going over a ton.
But fair point if you werent speeding or doing anything dodgy.
Still, it could have been worse though - they could have let you continue to speed up and book you at a higher speed rather than stop you just as you were speeding up.
gavhogg
22-06-06, 12:32 PM
Sorry to hear about that hall13uk :(
So what happened when they stopped you, where you allowed to continue on your way. From what I've heard in the past, doing over 100mph was an automatic ban :?: In other words "hand the keys over son"
what annnoys the hell out of me is how long there were following me :x from the a2 - 5 miles down the m20 thats gotta be 15 - 20 miles & just as soon as the road was clear & i started to speed up they nicked me. there was no reason to follow me think they just wanted an easy nick
1. use mirrors.
2. yes they may well have and you obliged.
sorry if it sounds harsh, but 109 was probably your average speed? am i right in thinking that? even if it was your top speed you can't have ANY argeuments about getting nicked
Can't really see how you can be annoyed at being nicked - that's rather fast! 109 mph is way over the limit whether you were speeding up, slowing down, being followed by the plod or not.
Good luck with it.
So, just for the rest of us who use the M20... :D What did the car look like? Colur, reg, etc.? :lol: :lol: :lol:
The way I see it is that if you go over 100 then be prepared for the consequences if you are caught.
Bad luck... prepare yourself for a ban, or a fairly hefty fine etc.
109mph is getting a bit fruity though, sounds like you were just waiting for the ticket.
Goes to show it's not all about speed cameras. Kent is very tight for traffic offenses, especially round there - Brands Hatch just down the road etc, they are waiting for you to have a go.
If anything, it'll be a lesson to check your mirrors more often, and save those speeds for the track.
hall13uk
22-06-06, 12:40 PM
what annnoys the hell out of me is how long there were following me :x from the a2 - 5 miles down the m20 thats gotta be 15 - 20 miles & just as soon as the road was clear & i started to speed up they nicked me. there was no reason to follow me think they just wanted an easy nick
1. use mirrors.
2. yes they may well have and you obliged.
sorry if it sounds harsh, but 109 was probably your average speed? am i right in thinking that? even if it was your top speed you can't have ANY argeuments about getting nicked
indeed i admit i was speeding & i hold up my hands to it yes 109 was my average between to points so @ one point i was doing more & @ another i was doing less.
but 109 was the average
i was however riding within the limits until then becuse of heavy traffic & i don't filter on the m-ways anyway. so don't see why i would have drawn attention to my a self until that point of speeding so i don't know why the followed me
So, just for the rest of us who use the M20... :D What did the car look like? Colur, reg, etc.? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Indeed, required info!
hall13uk
22-06-06, 12:42 PM
in any case what will be will be. as for the car info............................
i am not telling, that way all of you will have to be good boys & girls.
If you're doing about 90/95, and you're not the only one doing it, whats the liklihood they will pull you? Do they usually just go for bikers?
Not been clocked speeding, only caught once by a copper in a car who didnt have a camera or another cop in the car with him (was clocking off time too!)
Bad luck.
If it's any consolation, I think that 109 is reasonable. Just unlucky you got caught.
Hope it goes well.
lukemillar
22-06-06, 12:47 PM
I didn't think that traffic police need a reason to follow you - they are just policing the roads. Given that you are riding down a motorway and not turning off, surely it's hard not to follow someone!
It is an @rse, because we all take liberties with the speed limit and it sucks when we get caught, but if we never broke the speed limit then we would never be caught. Surely the moral is not to speed at all?! (yeah right!)
IIRC from the one thats pulled people over its a blue volvo.
But there are always marked and unmarked cars on the M20 at some point. Primarily because of the number of accidents that happen on the motorway :roll:. The lottery is just about when and where they are.
End of day, simplest way is just not to go over the ton on the M20. It worked for me - went flying past a marked car at 90 and not an issue. However the R6 that passed me doing way over the ton was pulled up a mile further on no doubt having an interesting discussion with Mr Plod.
i am not telling, that way all of you will have to be good boys & girls.
translated:
it was the white car with bright stripes and flashy lights on the top - i never saw it coming
Big downhill stretch at Wrotham? Sounds like you were near to Junction 4 near West Malling and Leybourne - accidents there are very common. Traffic tends to build up at the bottom of that hill because it starts to queue to get into / through Maidstone. In this instance, I don't think there's anything reasonable about 109 mph.
An average of 109? Feck me, you must have hit 120 or so at some point then. That's 50mph over the limit. Did you not expect to get caught doing something like that?
Doing 90ish, touching 100 occasionally - maybe some coppers will forget about it, but 120 and you're asking for a tug.
Balky001
22-06-06, 01:02 PM
In this instance, I don't think there's anything reasonable about 109 mph.
Not knowing that stretch I guess you must know what you are talking about but Hall did say, prior to speeding, he wasn't overtaking as traffic was heavy and he does not filter so it must have been fairly clear to maintain that speed? You weren't all over the lanes too were you Mr Hall? Naughty naughty :wink: You need the number for BigApe's policeman :lol:
Peter Henry
22-06-06, 01:05 PM
Sorry, a very severe slap to be received then James. Could be a little pay back after you goading everyone due to your day off yesterday.
My years in the Sister's of Charity convent taught me not to flaunt your advantages before others.
I will pray for you. :)
Clear or not, you never know what's around the corner or at the bottom of the hill! :D
Never mind - a valuable lesson anyway.
skidmarx
22-06-06, 01:17 PM
There but for the grace of god go I........ and the rest of you probably. Enuff of the lectures it aint gonna exactly cheer him up. Hard luck mate, enjoy your bike before they catch up with you.
hall13uk
22-06-06, 01:19 PM
i am not telling, that way all of you will have to be good boys & girls.
translated:
it was the white car with bright stripes and flashy lights on the top - i never saw it coming it was unmarked
Captain Nemo
22-06-06, 01:20 PM
sorry to hear this mate,
good luck
That really sucks dude. :?
Hope you don't get treated too harshly...
Balky001
22-06-06, 01:25 PM
Clear or not, you never know what's around the corner or at the bottom of the hill! :D
Never mind - a valuable lesson anyway.
True! More often than not, a Volvo!
Peter - when you say you were in the Sister's of Charity do you...erm, never mind. When's the next naked BBQ?
Peter Henry
22-06-06, 01:29 PM
Balky...It was when I was considering the priesthood but unfortunately got in to one or two habits....and got found out! :wink:
Another Barby,now that's a splendid idea,why don't we organise an SV.ORG "Let it Hang" special ride out? :P
If it's any consolation, I think that 109 is reasonable. Just unlucky you got caught.
Reasonable? What planet are you on? From whose point of view are you coming from?
Anything more than 80 - expect to get prosecuted. You're naive if you think otherwise.
Less than 80, and you've got a leg to stand on.
We have this argument every time someone get's pulled for speeding. If you were speeding accept it - it was only a matter of time. It is black and white - nothing to do with "reasonable".
Its possable you will get a ban, someone on this forum was cought at the same speed but his ban was only 2 weeks and a fine + points. So its possable if you make a good case and that they have not also done you for any other things like overtaking without indicating etc.., that you will get off lightly.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :evil:
Doing over 100mph DOES NOT qualify as an automatic ban.
I should know, caught doing 116 and with 131 peak, all on video.
6 points, £400 fine. I went to court and defended my own case.....
I've talked about this on a previous post on here and got slated for "not knowing what i was talking about"
Till i proved them wrong, people mysteriously never replied after that.... Strange isn't it .... :lol:
PS, i love all the haters and the quick whingers on here.
Yeah, because none of you have ever sped at all :lol: you do make me laugh....
Its not the speeding thats the problem, its the getting caught.... Just got to be more weary of whats behined you next time im afraid.
Oh dear.............James, old chap, you need to get some legal advice when the summons arrives, as it surely will at that average speed.
I'm not going to judge you, it's your life, your bike, your licence, etc and your big enough to face the consequences.
Can't help thinking that those having a sanctimonious attidude with regard to your situation will themselves break a speed limit from time to time.
Just my view.
it won't be the speed / fine / points / ban that bother you, it'll be the insurance quotes next year :(
Balky001
22-06-06, 01:51 PM
Balky...It was when I was considering the priesthood but unfortunately got in to one or two habits....and got found out! :wink:
Another Barby,now that's a splendid idea,why don't we organise an SV.ORG "Let it Hang" special ride out? :P
I was going to ask which Sister of Charity (obviously the most charitable! :wink: )......
Yes, a Flamed Meat & Road Rash (unless the cream works) Ride Out. Sounds great :D
Peter Henry
22-06-06, 01:51 PM
Speeding is like tax and death...they get you at some point. :wink:
it won't be the speed / fine / points / ban that bother you, it'll be the insurance quotes next year :(
I pay £222 for my SV, commuter, 6 points (in 2003, or 2004??)
Its not all that bad.
I mananged to get only an SP30 from it too, but he's been caught on the motorway so will have a different code.
Dude, go to court, defend yourself, can give you pointers if you want, PM me. Chances are of points and not a ban :)
i've had a look back on the thread Daimo, and at no point has anybody said its a DEFINATE ban. each post suggested its likely. so calm down.
oh and well done on getting off doing 131mph, you must be really proud.
excuse the acid tone.
yeah but you're a lot older and the points were 3 years ago!
Peter Henry
22-06-06, 01:56 PM
At this point it might be wise to advise that this discussion has every possibility of becoming heated..........
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :evil:
Doing over 100mph DOES NOT qualify as an automatic ban.
I should know, caught doing 116 and with 131 peak, all on video.
6 points, £400 fine. I went to court and defended my own case.....
blah blah
PS, i love all the haters and the quick whingers on here.
Yeah, because none of you have ever sped at all :lol: you do make me laugh....
Its not the speeding thats the problem, its the getting caught.... Just got to be more weary of whats behined you next time im afraid.
lol, don't get so wound up!
I think I can safely say that everyone has broken a speed limit (if not, sell your bike!) but thats not what people are getting it, its Hall13UK attitude that he is complaining that he has been caught.
I've got points for speeding, many people have. If you do over 100 and get caught then you accept the consequences.
northwind
22-06-06, 01:58 PM
There but for the grace of god... Best of luck.
Balky001
22-06-06, 02:00 PM
At this point it might be wise to advise that this discussion has every possibility of becoming heated..........
flamed grilled?
Peter Henry
22-06-06, 02:01 PM
Of course I would never entertain approaching a speed limit,let alone exceed one. I mean just think of that costly damage which could occur to my desmo motor? ooooh no. :^o
Balky we are definitely simmering at the mo..... :wink:
Shinsei Jutsu
22-06-06, 02:02 PM
Of course I would never entertain approaching a speed limit,let alone exceed one. I mean just think of that costly damage which could occur to my desmo motor? ooooh no. :^o
can it get that fast before the electrics go pop? :wink:
Peter Henry
22-06-06, 02:03 PM
Shinsei....You know you can be so hurtful at times. :cry:
hall13uk
22-06-06, 02:03 PM
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :evil:
Doing over 100mph DOES NOT qualify as an automatic ban.
I should know, caught doing 116 and with 131 peak, all on video.
6 points, £400 fine. I went to court and defended my own case.....
blah blah
PS, i love all the haters and the quick whingers on here.
Yeah, because none of you have ever sped at all :lol: you do make me laugh....
Its not the speeding thats the problem, its the getting caught.... Just got to be more weary of whats behined you next time im afraid.
lol, don't get so wound up!
I think I can safely say that everyone has broken a speed limit (if not, sell your bike!) but thats not what people are getting it, its Hall13UK attitude that he is complaining that he has been caught.
I've got points for speeding, many people have. If you do over 100 and get caught then you accept the consequences.
hold on i never complained @ being caught i complained @ being followed
tbh i dunno why i bothered posting it all u guys do is bitch & moan & flame me, i told u i hold my hands up to it, yea i did it i pretty sure we all have @ one point i. just wanted to know what happens next :roll:
but don't bother some kind user have forwarded me to the a good website cheers fella :)
Shinsei Jutsu
22-06-06, 02:04 PM
Shinsei....You know you can be so hurtful at times. :cry:
I'm sorry mate, just from what I've heard, I'm sure downhill it can get to about 60, maybe 70?
Flamin_Squirrel
22-06-06, 02:04 PM
it won't be the speed / fine / points / ban that bother you, it'll be the insurance quotes next year :(
I pay £222 for my SV, commuter, 6 points (in 2003, or 2004??)
Its not all that bad.
I mananged to get only an SP30 from it too, but he's been caught on the motorway so will have a different code.
Dude, go to court, defend yourself, can give you pointers if you want, PM me. Chances are of points and not a ban :)
Yeah but you didn't get banned did you :roll:
And didn't you escape the ban because the cop was an idiot? What you're saying relies on discrediting the copper, and there's no garuntee of doing that. If hall tries, the likelyhood is he'll just end up with a harsher punishment, so stop giving rubbish advice just 'cos you got lucky.
Peter Henry
22-06-06, 02:05 PM
Hally...Accepting your potential plight as a fair cop is hardly the kind of reasoning we are looking for. :wink: :P
Shinsei....I have had a good crack at 50 on a few occasions...you might be asking a bit much with the figures you mention mate. :?
Shinsei Jutsu
22-06-06, 02:05 PM
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :evil:
Doing over 100mph DOES NOT qualify as an automatic ban.
I should know, caught doing 116 and with 131 peak, all on video.
6 points, £400 fine. I went to court and defended my own case.....
blah blah
PS, i love all the haters and the quick whingers on here.
Yeah, because none of you have ever sped at all :lol: you do make me laugh....
Its not the speeding thats the problem, its the getting caught.... Just got to be more weary of whats behined you next time im afraid.
lol, don't get so wound up!
I think I can safely say that everyone has broken a speed limit (if not, sell your bike!) but thats not what people are getting it, its Hall13UK attitude that he is complaining that he has been caught.
I've got points for speeding, many people have. If you do over 100 and get caught then you accept the consequences.
hold on i never complained @ being caught i complained @ being followed
tbh i dunno why i bothered posting it all u guys do is bitch & moan & flame me, i told u i hold my hands up to it, yea i did it i pretty sure we all have @ one point i. just wanted to know what happens next :roll:
but don't bother some kind user have forwarded me to the a good website cheers fella :)
Let em rant, it does em good to vent.
We all speed (don't deny it) and some of us will get caught. Hope it goes as well as it can, and just ride safe.
diamond
22-06-06, 02:13 PM
There but for the grace of god... Best of luck.
Just what i was thinking.
Good luck fella
i've had a look back on the thread Daimo, and at no point has anybody said its a DEFINATE ban. each post suggested its likely. so calm down.
oh and well done on getting off doing 131mph, you must be really proud.
excuse the acid tone.
Dude, im not wound up, remember, how things are written may not be how im thinking....... Remember, your just reading words, its easier to leave my finger on the R key :lol:
Actually, i am quite proud, as although I commited the offence, I defended my own and got away with the best possible sentance.
People have said he'd get banned?
DanAbnormal
22-06-06, 02:19 PM
Sorry to hear about your bad luck mate. I'm sure we've all gone faster than this on our bikes on the M-Way before on a clear day, you were just unfortunate enough to get caught. Best of luck in your case matey.
Dan
Yeah but you didn't get banned did you :roll:
And didn't you escape the ban because the cop was an idiot? What you're saying relies on discrediting the copper, and there's no garuntee of doing that. If hall tries, the likelyhood is he'll just end up with a harsher punishment, so stop giving rubbish advice just 'cos you got lucky.
Nope, and theres nothign to say this guy will either, thats my point, i was travelling much faster..
Nope, cop wasn't an idiot, never said that at all. I said they were extremly harsh when I got pulled over, but when i went to my video viewing, he was "mr nice guy".
Are you just in a bad mood or something. They have video evidence of me for over 7 miles (partly my arguement back).
Tbh, you only know what i've told you. And im telling you, i was in the wrong, i got caught, I went to court fully expecting a ban, I defended myself, gave my excusse, the court believed me and I got off very lightly.
Just becuase some peopel maybe tarts and are to afraid to go to court to defend themselves, doesn't mean we all are. This guy may be strong minded and feel he has a defence (like why were they following you for 20 miles. We're you speeding over 70mph BEFORE they pulled you for your maximum speed, if so, why did they not pull you over sooner etc..)
I love the way people who have never done this themselves are quick to put down others for what they have done.. Seems thats the same for this post as well...
Hall, im not bitching, im defending you here? If you want any advice over my experience, drop me a PM.
Well Hall, they clearly followed you with good reason! :lol:
I was once told while sitting in the back of an unmarked omega and watching my highlights that as my average was 98.7 MPH I was only 1 1/2 MPH average from an instant ban. I was told this by the director in an HV vest, that was 12 years ago.
Hall, have you thought that they wheren't actully following you, that they may just have been on patrol, and that you where/are just dead unlucky. after a recent conversation that we had in your store, it seems that you may be being harrassed. That may help in the situatation if you can remember all the times and dates etc etc. Just a thought.
I got done at an average of 124mph years ago. 5 Points, £790 fine and £60 costs was the punishment.
Its not the speeding thats the problem, its the getting caught.... Just got to be more weary of whats behined you next time im afraid.
If getting caught is the only problem you can see with it, then I think you have a very perverted view of how others perceive your actions.
Speeding can be extremely antisocial and upset a lot of people - not just other road users, but those whose houses and offices you pass, pedestrians, and generally anyone who was enjoying a tranquil existence.
It's not about being caught or not, it's about roadmanship (among other things) and not agravating other's perceptions.
100+ mph won't necessarily get you a ban, but it will get you to Court without any trouble. From there you'll have to enjoy the video of yourself... and then try and defend it. What is there to defend when you clearly so blatantly broke the law, and the evidence is so damning?
I got done at an average of 124mph years ago. 5 Points, £790 fine and £60 costs was the punishment.
Ouch! :shock:
I got done at an average of 124mph years ago. 5 Points, £790 fine and £60 costs was the punishment.
Ouch! :shock:
Exactly. I was young and stupid...now just Stupid. :lol:
If getting caught is the only problem you can see with it, then I think you have a very perverted view of how others perceive your actions.
Speeding can be extremely antisocial and upset a lot of people - not just other road users, but those whose houses and offices you pass, pedestrians, and generally anyone who was enjoying a tranquil existence.
It's not about being caught or not, it's about roadmanship (among other things) and not agravating other's perceptions.
100+ mph won't necessarily get you a ban, but it will get you to Court without any trouble. From there you'll have to enjoy the video of yourself... and then try and defend it. What is there to defend when you clearly so blatantly broke the law, and the evidence is so damning?
Nice to see the respect and friendlyness towards another SV user......... Good way to keep the close bond.... :roll:
What on a motorway, your worried about peoples houses.... This isn't a discussion about bombing through a city centre or village....
Thats like saying, oooo i feel sorry for those poeple living next to a race circuit!!!!
End of the day, if someone isn't happy becuase people speed past their house, move to another house........ Theres millions of them out there..
They won't take the video to the court-room. He will get a letter offering him to come and view the video, be it by himself, or with a solicitor.
I went and viewed mine myself.
Tbh, just seems like your arguing, or maybe your opinion really is that different to mine.
I speed on the motorway, i tend to stick under 3 figures also. When i come into London, my riding style changes 100%. The only other thing thats the same is the fact im still on the bike..... So im not quite sure where your pedestrian thing is coming from... If other people have issues with my driving/riding, then that is their issue, not mine. It only becomes my issue if I do something to make them swerve or cause other road users danger. If they jump becuase i go past, well, if they were checking their mirrors every few seconds like they should be, they wouldn't jump as they would see me.
OR are you just trying to create an argument? AS i dont usually see pedestrians on the motorway...
DanDare
22-06-06, 03:50 PM
End of the day, if someone isn't happy becuase people speed past their house, move to another house........ Theres millions of them out there..
I see your point of view, I'm not sure I agree with it but I respect it!
But this comment is a bit daft in an otherwise interesting thread.
Chill Dude Daimo, its all good. :D
Still at least theres no chance in getting caught speeding in a Vauxhall! :oops: :oops:
* Runs and dives behind filling cabinet in a Matrix/ Max Payne Stylleee* 8) 8)
Nice to see the respect and friendlyness towards another SV user......... Good way to keep the close bond.... :roll:
Just because you ride the same bike dont make us all the same.
End of the day, if someone isn't happy becuase people speed past their house, move to another house........ Theres millions of them out there..
Interesting view :roll:
gavhogg
22-06-06, 03:52 PM
Its not the speeding thats the problem, its the getting caught.... Just got to be more weary of whats behined you next time im afraid.
If getting caught is the only problem you can see with it, then I think you have a very perverted view of how others perceive your actions.
Speeding can be extremely antisocial and upset a lot of people - not just other road users, but those whose houses and offices you pass, pedestrians, and generally anyone who was enjoying a tranquil existence.
It's not about being caught or not, it's about roadmanship (among other things) and not agravating other's perceptions.
100+ mph won't necessarily get you a ban, but it will get you to Court without any trouble. From there you'll have to enjoy the video of yourself... and then try and defend it. What is there to defend when you clearly so blatantly broke the law, and the evidence is so damning?
Don't take this the wrong way mate, but are you a copper?????
I see your point of view, I'm not sure I agree with it but I respect it!
But this comment is a bit daft in an otherwise interesting thread.
Chill Dude Daimo, its all good. :D
Still at least theres no chance in getting caught speeding in a Vauxhall! :oops: :oops:
* Runs and dives behind filling cabinet in a Matrix/ Max Payne Stylleee* 8) 8)
Maybe, but its still how I personnally think. But thats another subject :wink:
Hey mon, as said earlier, im totally chilled, as i say, what im writing may not convay how im feeling/the mood im in.
Emails and internet, a terrible, but also superb for of communication :lol:
PS, i was in my Corsa when i got caught :wink: 8) :lol:
Nice to see the respect and friendlyness towards another SV user......... Good way to keep the close bond.... :roll:
Just because you ride the same bike dont make us all the same.
End of the day, if someone isn't happy becuase people speed past their house, move to another house........ Theres millions of them out there..
Interesting view :roll:
No, your right, but, i personnally would rather help a fellow SV rider rather than turn round and give it the usual sheep treatment.
oooooooooo you speed, your bad, your naughty, we don't like you, your aint gonan explain your way out of anything" type attitude.... Nice.......
As for the 2nd, maybe, but then thats why I chose a house off any roads.......
If you live somewhere, but find your increasingly becoming annoyed with speeders, you have two options...
Get a speed camera fitted....
move house...
The 2nd option will be the easier :lol:
Im basing MY opinion though, I haven't lived in my house for 10-20 odd years. I appreciate some people may have, but I cannot give an opinion on that as i have no experience.
Maybe in 10-20 years time my opinion will differ, but not at the moment.
Daimo - I'm behind you on your views on this 100%. Everyone speeds - jesus my father does 120 on the m1 in his car and he's 67! - and everyone knows the possible consequences of speeding.
It's about time we updated the 70 mph limit in this country to reflect changes in automotive speed/safety.
End of the day, if someone isn't happy becuase people speed past their house, move to another house........ Theres millions of them out there..
You wouldn't say that if it was your house and you'd bought it in a previously peaceful spot because of it.
[Interesting view :roll:
I'm with Viney on this one; if that's you're attitude then you are going to get grouped with those minority of bikers who give the majority a bad name and which cause the establishment to view bikers with contempt. A nob is a nob no matter what bike they ride*.
That attitude will cost you money, points and, eventually, your licence. But hey, you're young and you might learn this in time :wink:
We all break the speed limit at times, of course we do, but there's a right time and a wrong time. There's also the question of degree..........
* No offence James, not aimed at you, mate
Daimo - I'm behind you on your views on this 100%. Everyone speeds - jesus my father does 120 on the m1 in his car and he's 67! - and everyone knows the possible consequences of speeding.
It's about time we updated the 70 mph limit in this country to reflect changes in automotive speed/safety.
you be sure to let me know when your dad is on the M1 next then, i'll give it a wide berth :shock:
at the age of 67 and doing 120 i dread to think what the reaction times would be if something terrible were to happen!
Jabba, mate, if you read my above.....
"Im basing MY opinion though, I haven't lived in my house for 10-20 odd years. I appreciate some people may have, but I cannot give an opinion on that as i have no experience.
Maybe in 10-20 years time my opinion will differ, but not at the moment"
I also added that that is also a reason why i never bought a house next to a road, but I do understand and appreciate what you have put. But I cannot base an opinion on this for the above reason....
End of the day, your going to get haters for absolutly EVERYTHING on this planet? Why? Well as this post has shown, everyone is different.
Some people live in areas where they can sit outside and enjoy watching things go bombing past...
That persons next door neighbour may HATE it, nothing will change that opinion.
From what your saying, your talking about narrow minded people who only have a 1 track mind and cannot realise that not everyone is the same.
Bit like me with my car, its a corsa, its a vauxhall, that MUST mean im a chavvy boyracer.........
Back to this whole branding thing......
Peter Henry
22-06-06, 04:25 PM
We might raise speeds to facilitate vehicle safety standards,but we are overlooking that said vehicles have one big weak spot....that is a human being is likely to be in control of them and who knows what they might do? :wink:
It's a dark blue honda executive, 2006 reg and he's a large-framed, blond-haired chap. :D
northwind
22-06-06, 04:27 PM
It's about time we updated the 70 mph limit in this country to reflect changes in automotive speed/safety.
Totally agree... If people don't believe in the speed limits, they're more likely to flaunt them. The same argument goes for mis-specced 30s and 40s- if you have a 30 that everyone speeds in, that encourages speeding elsewhere- if it's OK to go 10mph over there, why not everywhere? You're already a speeder...
We might raise speeds to facilitate vehicle safety standards,but we are overlooking that said vehicles have one big weak spot....that is a human being is likely to be in control of them and who knows what they might do? :wink:
Amen..however, i think that 70 is a good enough speed. If you choose to break this, and i do, normaly 80-90 on average, then sobeit with getting caught. If you raise it to say, 80-90, then people still take the 20mph above, i think you are asking for trouble. Leave it at 70 with it being down to the police officer, not a camera to make that judgement call, and i will be a happy bunnie.
American tourist looking at Windor castle. " Why on earth would the queen build a castle under the flightpath of a major airport"
A mate of mine lives on the A2. When his parents moved there it was a fairly quiet, 4 lane road. Its now a thriving motorway class A Road. It took many many years to get the speed limit dropped. They can never ever sell thier house, and was up until last month, on the market for 5 years, and a very silly price.
Anyhoo, im off to break some traffic laws to take the heat of James. Katslater law breakers :lol:
I wasn't having a go really.................. :wink:
From what your saying, your talking about narrow minded people who only have a 1 track mind and cannot realise that not everyone is the same.
Sounds like your local MP, Councillor, local speed/safety camera partnership or the vocal element from a pressure group?
These are the very people who influence speeding and policing policies, not the reasonable majority. I wish that more of the reasonable majority appreciated this and spoke up for themselves more often/more loudly.
But they don't and some nobbers on bikes keep supplying 'em with the ammunition they need............
Yours exasperatedly,
Grumpy of Cardiff
busasean
22-06-06, 04:39 PM
the traffic police are based just off junction 5/6 off the m20 at coldharbour! one of their unmarked volvos is gk 53 xsw its a pale blue/grey colour. they also have a Hayabusa donated by Suzuki for enforcement work! bloody tossers the lot of them (my brother works at coldharbour)
bloody tossers the lot of them (my brother works at coldharbour)
Does your brother know that you hold him in such high esteem? :lol:
If we all did 100+ on the motorways, they'd be a pretty awful place. They're bad enough as it is.
Doing those speeds just increases the risk for any number of awful situations. Thinking that it is okay to do those speeds just demonstrates an ignorance for the situation, and a selfishness for other users.
Empty motorway... not another vehicle in sight... fine, do what you like - but it's bloody boring!
AS i dont usually see pedestrians on the motorway...
You obviously dont go far enough down the M20 then... 8) 8) :lol:
the traffic police are based just off junction 5/6 off the m20 at coldharbour! one of their unmarked volvos is gk 53 xsw its a pale blue/grey colour. they also have a Hayabusa...
Yes, and a silver scooby...cant remember the reg no. Will check when I'm back down at police hq again.
Daimo - I'm behind you on your views on this 100%. Everyone speeds - jesus my father does 120 on the m1 in his car and he's 67! - and everyone knows the possible consequences of speeding.
It's about time we updated the 70 mph limit in this country to reflect changes in automotive speed/safety.
But the point is there are just some places its inappropriate to do those kind of speeds. A lot of the M20 falls into that category, especially just after a ferrys arrived and theres an awful lot of HGVs heading london bound and an awful lot heading coast bound to catch one.
Haring down the M20 at over a ton will get you into trouble - its not a rarity to see a foreign HGV in the outside lane, and exceptionally frequent for the HGVs to be in the left and middle lane meaning normal slower traffic [ie those doing 50-70] are in the outside lane.
And these drivers dont indicate, look and go when clear. They indicate and GO. You approaching at over hundred [bearing in mind 70mph is around 109 ft per second, 105mph will be about 165 ft/second] when someone does that its simply going to equal trouble.
But Im just basing my opinion on nigh on 2 years of commuting on the M20 and losing count of the sheer number of accidents that happen between Wrotham and Ashford. There are times is dodgy enough doing 70 when you have European HGVs and drivers in numbers when you know damn well theyre not paying attention or driving carefully or safely.
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Daimo - I'm behind you on your views on this 100%. Everyone speeds - jesus my father does 120 on the m1 in his car and he's 67! - and everyone knows the possible consequences of speeding.
It's about time we updated the 70 mph limit in this country to reflect changes in automotive speed/safety.
But the point is there are just some places its inappropriate to do those kind of speeds. A lot of the M20 falls into that category, especially just after a ferrys arrived and theres an awful lot of HGVs heading london bound and an awful lot heading coast bound to catch one.
Haring down the M20 at over a ton will get you into trouble - its not a rarity to see a foreign HGV in the outside lane, and exceptionally frequent for the HGVs to be in the left and middle lane meaning normal slower traffic [ie those doing 50-70] are in the outside lane.
And these drivers dont indicate, look and go when clear. They indicate and GO. You approaching at over hundred [bearing in mind 70mph is around 109 ft per second, 105mph will be about 165 ft/second] when someone does that its simply going to equal trouble.
But Im just basing my opinion on nigh on 2 years of commuting on the M20 and losing count of the sheer number of accidents that happen between Wrotham and Ashford. There are times is dodgy enough doing 70 when you have European HGVs and drivers in numbers when you know damn well theyre not paying attention or driving carefully or safely.
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Fully agree with you there Lynn...having spent 3yrs commuting between folkestone and london I know what you mean. Many a morning and evening was spent sitting in miles of tailbacks due to european HGV's ending up in the central barrier or ditch on the side and more times than I care to remember, sitting on top of cars on the motorway :( :(
Itching 2 go
22-06-06, 06:48 PM
james, **** happens, i have done 160 down the m20 and didn't get nicked, you did 109 and did. sorry to hear you got **** luck!
I do have to ask tho, will a ban impact on your new job?
Red ones
22-06-06, 07:01 PM
i have done 160 down the m20 and didn't get nicked
Not on the SV I guess!
As a rule I tend to let cars by that follow me at speed. If the following car is a "normal" driver they just go by and leave me alone. If they are cops I can give them a once over before resuming, if they drop in behind me then I get a little concerned and make it obvious I want them to go by. If they are going to pull me for speed they can only claim I went over the limit for a very short distance which I would try to argue as a momentary lapse over which demonstrated control and resumed normal speed.
It might not work, but at least I feel safer that way.
Anyone who does more than 75 mph on a UK motorway ought to get banned. End of story.
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Anyone who does more than 75 mph on a UK motorway ought to get banned. End of story.
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what about country lanes ?
Peter Henry
22-06-06, 07:58 PM
Greg..You have me a little confused here. :? Have you adopted my warped sense of humour or are you being serious? :shock:
Totally serious, the law's the law, and who are we to argue?
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Totally serious, the law's the law, and who are we to argue?
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Cool, Greg - bring some of the mushrooms to soho please, I want some!
Bad luck James....
Dan
Totally serious, the law's the law, and who are we to argue?
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its not illegal to break the law, its illegal to get caught.
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Balky001
22-06-06, 08:32 PM
Totally serious, the law's the law, and who are we to argue?
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You are so right Jonboy, succinctly said - only 70mph is safe - if 71 was safe the law would be changed. The law is based on every aspect of driver/rider/vehicle/road and other fixed and variable conditions input and tailor made for every user. The answer, contrary to the Hitch Hiker's Guide, for everyone is 70, unless its single lane, then that's 60. And other variable limits down to 20. But 70 is the right speed. Anyone that thinks 71 is safe is absolute nuts and will die and upset their fellow road users in the process - end of. :evil:
Balky001
22-06-06, 08:34 PM
Totally serious, the law's the law, and who are we to argue?
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its not illegal to break the law, its illegal to get caught.
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If it was illegal to get caught you'd get a double sentence, one for the crime and one for getting caught, wouldn't you?? :shock: No, I'm pretty sure its illegal to do most things
Totally serious, the law's the law, and who are we to argue?
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You are so right Jonboy, succinctly said - only 70mph is safe - if 71 was safe the law would be changed. The law is based on every aspect of driver/rider/vehicle/road and other fixed and variable conditions input and tailor made for every user. The answer, contrary to the Hitch Hiker's Guide, for everyone is 70, unless its single lane, then that's 60. And other variable limits down to 20. But 70 is the right speed. Anyone that thinks 71 is safe is absolute nuts and will die and upset their fellow road users in the process - end of. :evil:
Quite right.
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northwind
22-06-06, 08:45 PM
remember that episode of Father Ted?
"I'm sooooo sooooo sooooooorrrrrry"
"Now that's sarcasm"
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