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anna you ride well and you are fine as ur.. see the vid clip.. we passed you easy-- and WE are a wide load !!
Thanks Quiff..
I would like to add to this thread that I am use to riding with 6 or 7 regularly and this was only about the third time I have been involved in a group this size. You are always going to get incidents happening with a large group because of peoples abilities etc. (as previously stated)
Perhaps adding a post of what is expected in a rideout from all riders taking part prior to the event will be of some use to those who dont often ride in a group. Although the initial breifing was well given and self explanitory..
1) We are a large group and it's easy to leave a bad impression on the villages we go through so please be considerate.. ie those with loud cans please keep it down!!
2) Stick to the speed limits as we are a large group we are going to attract attention lets make sure it's for the correct reasons.
3) Leave enough space for the person infront.
4) When riding in a group please ensure that you are easily seen in peoples mirrors a staggered formation ensures that those infront can easily see those behind.
......... I'm sure that there are plenty more that I have forgotten but these were the main ones issued at the start.
I had a fantastic day and as I am not the quickest rider. I didnt feel under pressure to keep up but, at the same time was given space to be able to ride the pace I felt comfortable with.
I would like to say to anyone thinking of coming to the AR 07 please, do not let this thread put you off. I saw some fantastic and considerate riding and, the incidences being discussed in this thread are purely as a way of constructively making sure that future rides also continue without incidents.
Once again I would like to express my thanks to all who organised it, marshall's and everyone who took part who made my first SV AR such a memorable one.
Many thanks
A
Sid Squid
12-07-06, 03:15 PM
JThe bad overtaking worries me a little to say the least, but as has been said many times
An enormous majority of attendees rode in a manner as to cause no concern to others. The few, (because they really were few), persons/occasions where any mistakes/discourtesies occured are, and I really mean this, no more common than any other times of using the road with the near on 30 million vehicles that we share them with.
I know it happens in large rides.No, it doesn't.
It happens on the road, where you ride, where I ride, all the bloody time, it happens on group rides no more than it happens elsewhere.
From what I've read, it seems like the minority spoilt the riding for the majority. I know it's been said that if offenders are behaving too badly they'll be asked to leave the ride. Worst case (note: worst case) scenario, it's a public road, they could 'choose' to ride the same direction.
Which isnt how Ive read it. I dont think it "spoilt" the riding for anyone or the majority, it was just a concern.
Maybe something like X people complain over Y legs, and you're asked to leave the ride. Refuse, or tag along, and your 3 strikes are considered served. This could be especially beneficial for the AR. Firstly, bad behaviour would be discouraged. Secondly (especially because I live under Bronstrums' rule), the police would be aware of the AR, it's route, expected numbers, and most importantly, the fact that the community as a whole want to police themselves. How many times have we read about bike meets being closed because they're too big, or causing a disturbance to locals etc? Surely self-policing could only been seen as a good thing.
Oh yea, and (so long as I don't get flamed to death for the idea) I'll hopefully see you all on AR07 :)
As much as it would be nice to show we are policing ourselves, firstly we can not stop people riding the same public roads as us.
Secondly, the police dislike of bikers will not stop them from coming back and taking a further interest in the remainder of us despite behaving impeccably. 60 rectification notices easily handed to them on a plate would be too much to resist for a target obsessed/anti biker police officer.
I simply do not believe the police would ignore the larger group for a few individuals tbh. I also do not believe they think we are capable of self policing.
With this in mind, perhaps borrowing from my kids school policy would help. Their school says that if you park on the yellow zig-zag and are seen by staff, they'll write your number plate down. If you get 3 strikes in a term, they pass your details to the local Plod. The police have been forwarned about the school's policy & back them up 100%.
:offtopic: Thanks for the tip - have been having problems with our head. Her words this morning "we havent had an accident yet so the local plod wont do a thing" :evil:
Oh yea, and (so long as I don't get flamed to death for the idea) I'll hopefully see you all on AR07 :) see you there then.... um maybe.
Which isnt how Ive read it. I dont think it "spoilt" the riding for anyone or the majority, it was just a concern.
Agreed.
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fizzwheel
12-07-06, 04:07 PM
Which isnt how Ive read it. I dont think it "spoilt" the riding for anyone or the majority, it was just a concern.
Agreed.
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Ditto. Also I thought it was much better in the afternoon once everybody had got it out of their system as well.
Well Oiled
12-07-06, 04:29 PM
From what I've read, it seems like the minority spoilt the riding for the majority.
No, the majority did not have their ride spoiled and it shouldn't put you or anyone else off attending AR07 or other SV rideouts.
With this in mind, perhaps borrowing from my kids school policy would help. etc. etc.
Well, parking on zig-zags is illegal and an obvious hazard to the schoolkids. It's a bit more difficult to get Police to take 'He overtook me like a tw*t' and 'he won't go away when we tell him' as seriously.
But I agree with the principle of peer pressure to keep riders in line, so the gist of your point is valid.
Cheers Keith
I was overtaken rather 'rudely' a couple of times (ie into a non-existent space between me and the car I was following at a safe distance, waiting for an opportunity to pass it) - but it didn't "spoil" anything for me. I probably just rolled my eyes, tutted and got on with having a brilliant day.
If anyone had made a manoeuvre which had endangered me without question, then I would have made a note of who it was and had a chat with them at the next stop. Communication is the key.
Communication is the key.
Yes. Like wallop! :lol:
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Quiff Wichard
12-07-06, 08:48 PM
I was overtaken rather 'rudely' a couple of times (ie into a non-existent space between me and the car I was following at a safe distance, waiting for an opportunity to pass it) - but it didn't "spoil" anything for me. I probably just rolled my eyes, tutted and got on with having a brilliant day.
If anyone had made a manoeuvre which had endangered me without question, then I would have made a note of who it was and had a chat with them at the next stop. Communication is the key.
if that was me I apologise.. I know I spent most of the day up yer ****..
I really can't comment on the rideout as I didn't go on it, the reason being I wouldn't feel safe with so many riders around me.
Quiff Wichard
12-07-06, 09:00 PM
wasnt lookin- was constipating on my road craft...
plus- it was a nice pace.. tended to slot in with the same folk.. ed mac.. cazza. Anna.. seemed to bea a dozen or so at my kinda pace.
liek I said in the norf meets sarf.. it IS nice to see the scenery ..
I can ride my local roads fast..
Did we start off with slower/newer riders at the back like on trackdays to minimise overtakes?
Quiff Wichard
12-07-06, 09:09 PM
that was intentional Gary ...
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it was hidden humour
when you are a big boy you will understand...
hee hee..
OK - DERAIL
>>>>>> BACK TO TOPIC
Secondly (especially because I live under Bronstrums' rule), the police would be aware of the AR, it's route, expected numbers etc etc etc.
You are joking, right?
Sat where I was (at the very back) I saw a few high-spirited manoovers but nothing dangerous or intimidatory. I accept that I was too far behind the leaders to see what was going on there.
Watching everyone leave at Dinkies and again at Churchstoke, I thought it all looked orderly and controlled. At Churchstoke I was back up the hill, and peeps were riding downhill then up the other side, so I could see quite a bit. And I saw nothing that made me think 'what the ****'s s/he doing'.
For next time, we need to include a bit on overtakes etc in the pre-ride pep talk. But telling the police - no. In fact I'd go as far to say that if we do, I reckon that many wouldn't come. Simple as.
caz650s
13-07-06, 12:01 AM
I was overtaken rather 'rudely' a couple of times (ie into a non-existent space between me and the car I was following at a safe distance, waiting for an opportunity to pass it) - but it didn't "spoil" anything for me. I probably just rolled my eyes, tutted and got on with having a brilliant day.
If anyone had made a manoeuvre which had endangered me without question, then I would have made a note of who it was and had a chat with them at the next stop. Communication is the key.
Well said Cazza,...my thoughts exactly I had a brilliant time.
I have been riding bikes for 30 years and always try and keep a comfort zone around me and try my best to let others have their own space.
By the way what on earth have you done to your bike to make it cover the ground so quick...or is it just your natural skill ! :D
Spiderman
13-07-06, 08:25 AM
I was overtaken rather 'rudely' a couple of times (ie into a non-existent space between me and the car I was following at a safe distance, waiting for an opportunity to pass it) - but it didn't "spoil" anything for me. I probably just rolled my eyes, tutted and got on with having a brilliant day.
If anyone had made a manoeuvre which had endangered me without question, then I would have made a note of who it was and had a chat with them at the next stop. Communication is the key.
if that was me I apologise.. I know I spent most of the day up yer @rse..
Is that because she has a nice @rse? Cough :oops:
Having ridden with Cazza a few times now i can honestly say that she does. :D
fizzwheel
13-07-06, 08:33 AM
But telling the police - no. In fact I'd go as far to say that if we do, I reckon that many wouldn't come. Simple as.
I wouldnt turn up. Mind you some of you might think that was a bonus :oops: :lol:
Personally I think the police have better and more important things to do than look after what would they would class as a small rideout. Theres enough of us there I think we can sort out any difficulties ourselves.
Spiderman
13-07-06, 09:16 AM
But telling the police - no. In fact I'd go as far to say that if we do, I reckon that many wouldn't come. Simple as.
I wouldnt turn up. Mind you some of you might think that was a bonus :oops: :lol:
Personally I think the police have better and more important things to do than look after what would they would class as a small rideout. Theres enough of us there I think we can sort out any difficulties ourselves.
Well said that man. Cops and me dont mix well so i would deffo stay away.
if that was me I apologise.. I know I spent most of the day up yer @rse..
No sir, not at all - when you overtook me it was very polite! As you say, it was nice to spend some time riding in formation with the same people.
By the way what on earth have you done to your bike to make it cover the ground so quick...or is it just your natural skill ! :D
Ha! I never thought I'd hear anyone say that! (Or have I missed the sarcastic emoticon?). I've got a Scorpion can on (about the only mod you can make to a GS) - which I reckon has given it another 50bhp or so. :wink:
caz650s
13-07-06, 11:20 AM
if that was me I apologise.. I know I spent most of the day up yer @rse..
No sir, not at all - when you overtook me it was very polite! As you say, it was nice to spend some time riding in formation with the same people.
By the way what on earth have you done to your bike to make it cover the ground so quick...or is it just your natural skill ! :D
Ha! I never thought I'd hear anyone say that! (Or have I missed the sarcastic emoticon?). I've got a Scorpion can on (about the only mod you can make to a GS) - which I reckon has given it another 50bhp or so. :wink:
No I meant it ! :D
But blimey that must be some exhaust to double the BHP :shock: ...or maybe you meant 5 BHP ?
But blimey that must be some exhaust to double the BHP :shock: ...or maybe you meant 5 BHP ?
Hmmm... just wishful thinking on my part. In all seriousness, it doesn't feel any different from the standard can. But it does sound different - which of course is the important thing!
Of course you have now lost zillions of bhp since you took the go faster "R"s off. :lol:
Would you believe it.
I was wearing a hi vis vest printed with 'Telford and Wrekin Group IAM' and someone has complained to the IAM - about me... what the hell did I do wrong - me, tail end Charlie, sticking to the speed limit (well, more or less) - didn't cut anyone up, didn't do aything dangerous - all I can think is, on the last stretch on the Cressage straight I overtook someone at some considerable speed (double figures, not treble), then on through the south side of Shrewsbury I overtook some pillock on the hatched area in the middle of the road - the one where Quiff was filming. But it had broken white lines around it, so perfectly OK to enter it, and yes I was gunning it some.
Some people :roll:
northwind
15-07-06, 12:12 AM
Big Ape's trouble couldn't keep up so you got stuck with it?
What was the actual nature of the complaint? That's really not on... Of all the people on the ride to target. What attitude does the IAM take to this sort of nonsense?
Big Ape's trouble couldn't keep up so you got stuck with it?
What was the actual nature of the complaint? That's really not on... Of all the people on the ride to target. What attitude does the IAM take to this sort of nonsense?
Complaint was that my riding was 'irresponsible'. No more detail. They just forward it on to the group to sort out. It is so pathetic, ******** plainly didn't like being overtaken. Well I shan't need the hi vis vest any more so it won't happen again.
northwind
15-07-06, 12:30 AM
If it does come to anything, you have about 70 witnesses to the fact that you were helping to keep a massive rideout organised and safe, enabling a mixed-skill group of riders to ride within their own limitations without being forced to push their abilities, or distracted by the threat of getting lost ;) It doesn't get much more responsible on 2 wheels. Not that I saw much of your riding from my tactical position 2/3 back, but there's bound to be other members who can also vouch for you should some situation arise- Hazel's an observer too.
Not that it will, most likely, but there's no reason to take smallmindedness like that.
Northy - this is good. Thank you :D
I just don't understand some people. From (not very good) memory they were a couple of old farts in an Astra in Shrewsbury, can't remember on the Cressage road.
Northy - this is good. Thank you :D
I just don't understand some people. From (not very good) memory they were a couple of old f*rts in an Astra in Shrewsbury, can't remember on the Cressage road.
hope you not referring to us ED :wink:
its pathetic as Northy said plenty of winesses but it won't come to that Ed
Northy - this is good. Thank you :D
I just don't understand some people. From (not very good) memory they were a couple of old f*rts in an Astra in Shrewsbury, can't remember on the Cressage road.
:shock:
Chances are it will be alright, just wear the jacket inside out next time ;)
Ed, there'll always be some t*sser that wants to cause grief — don't worry about it, and as Northend says, if you need a witness? ;)
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Well Oiled
15-07-06, 10:37 AM
My guess is that someone else annoyed this person and, unfortunately, you were the only one who could be identified via your vest so you got the brunt of it.
Cheers Keith
Quiff Wichard
15-07-06, 03:48 PM
LOl- and Ed you must be the last person anyone would call irresponsible.!! ...
both in career- riding and demeanour.!...
sod em all !!
Quiff Wichard
15-07-06, 03:50 PM
I was overtaken rather 'rudely' a couple of times (ie into a non-existent space between me and the car I was following at a safe distance, waiting for an opportunity to pass it) - but it didn't "spoil" anything for me. I probably just rolled my eyes, tutted and got on with having a brilliant day.
If anyone had made a manoeuvre which had endangered me without question, then I would have made a note of who it was and had a chat with them at the next stop. Communication is the key.
if that was me I apologise.. I know I spent most of the day up yer @rse..
Is that because she has a nice @rse? Cough :oops:
Having ridden with Cazza a few times now i can honestly say that she does. :D
Agreed 100% and some...
shhh Kim kept askin me why I was always behind "that slim girl"........hmmmmm
:wink:
fizzwheel
15-07-06, 03:55 PM
My guess is that someone else annoyed this person and, unfortunately, you were the only one who could be identified via your vest so you got the brunt of it.
Cheers Keith
I would wager this is what it is to. Hope it gets sorted out OK.
kwak zzr
15-07-06, 04:26 PM
LOl- and Ed you must be the last person anyone would call irresponsible.!! ...
both in career- riding and demeanour.!...
sod em all !!
agreed! ignore Ed some people eh :?
Sid Squid
17-07-06, 03:31 PM
sshhh Kim kept askin me why I was always behind "that slim girl"........hmmmmm
:wink:
Oi! You talking about my 'bird'?
:lol:
sshhh Kim kept askin me why I was always behind "that slim girl"........hmmmmm
:wink:
Oi! You talking about my 'bird'?
:lol:
Are you sure you are talking about the right one :?: I mean you have so many. :lol:
Sid Squid
17-07-06, 08:05 PM
Are you sure you are talking about the right one :?: I mean you have so many. :lol:
I bloody wish.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
as i was just in front of ed on the last stint i can vouch for the fact it took him ages to catch me up on that leg and i wasn't going that fast any way.
worry not ed we'll look after you and put the record straight :D
Daryl
mmmm, I was thinking about going on the 06 ride out but considered myself not experienced enough for it, judging by the stories in here there is not ****ing way on this planet I will be going on the next one unless I'm in a car.
fizzwheel
17-07-06, 10:28 PM
mmmm, I was thinking about going on the 06 ride out but considered myself not experienced enough for it, judging by the stories in here there is not f*cking way on this planet I will be going on the next one unless I'm in a car.
Don't be silly it really was only one or two riders that misbehaved. Everybody else rode very well and very sensibly.
Just remember to leave yourself enough space so you can stop if the bike in front of you does and to ride at your own pace and not get drawn into going faster than you feel comfortable and you'll have an ace day out.
rictus01
17-07-06, 10:30 PM
mmmm, I was thinking about going on the 06 ride out but considered myself not experienced enough for it, judging by the stories in here there is not f*cking way on this planet I will be going on the next one unless I'm in a car.
Whilst of course it's your choice, i know you're wrong to base attendance next year on just this thread, as it's not at all representative of the rideout as a whole.
Given you current stated position, perhaps riding with others locally would be a good start, then AR07 you could ride within a group of people you are already comfortable with ?
Having attended a number of these, I can say they get better each year and lessons are learned all the time to make the following years ride even more enjoyable than the last.
But each to their own I suppose.
mmmm, I was thinking about going on the 06 ride out but considered myself not experienced enough for it, judging by the stories in here there is not f*cking way on this planet I will be going on the next one unless I'm in a car.
Then you have:
a. read the thread completely wrong and taken the extremely few incidents out of all proportion. The reason nothing happened is because of the exceptionally high riding standards demonstrated by nigh on all the riders involved.
b. the wrong attitude to a rideout like this. Whats been raised here was more peoples perceptions and judgement raising issues of concern. Nigh on everyone respected other people on this rideout, more than you will get anywhere else I reckon.
You ride your ride, no-one elses. If you think the rideouts about riding to keep up and ride beyond your experience and capabilities then tbh it wont be a bad thing if you werent there on a bike tbh. It really doesnt matter if you opted to bimble along the route the whole way at 50mph. People will think more of you for it than becoming a liability and riding beyond your capabilities and making mistakes.
c. no idea of the people involved and the above comes across as an exceptionally harsh judgement on nearly everyones riding based on forum posts about 2 people. :?
mmmm, I was thinking about going on the 06 ride out but considered myself not experienced enough for it, judging by the stories in here there is not f*cking way on this planet I will be going on the next one unless I'm in a car.
Well it's your choice. I was at the back making sure nobody got lost (they didn't so I must've done something right). Yes there were one or two ********s but isn't that true of life generally.
You would be stupid not to come based on this alone.
Miss it, die one short :clown:
Me? I'll be there :smt101
mmmm, I was thinking about going on the 06 ride out but considered myself not experienced enough for it, judging by the stories in here there is not f*cking way on this planet I will be going on the next one unless I'm in a car.
Thats a rash judgement to make based feedback on a day out. The good thing about the forum is we get to mircro-discuss things that are close to heart. As we enjoyed it so much it was worth disussing in detail including some area's that may be improved upon. Sorry to hear its put you off coming - 12 months from now I hope you feel like you have enough experience to come along.
rictus01
17-07-06, 11:01 PM
Miss it, die one short :clown:
So is that the slogan for next year then Ed? :thumbsup:
Cheers Mark.
northwind
17-07-06, 11:03 PM
Me? I'll be there :smt101
Yeah, but you're officially reckless and irresponsible!
I was mainly mid-pack on the AR. More than any other ride I've ever been on, I was free to choose my speed, and choose my company, overtake or not, because of the marker system and the huge variety of riders. I spent a bit of time with some of the faster guys, a bit of time really taking it very easy, it was all great. I did see some bad riding, but it was absolutely trivial in the grand scheme of things. I've never felt more at ease in a rideout, even ones with only half a dozen riders that I know, and that's saying something. Don't miss it, basically. It was fantastic, and it'd need for the bad riding to be orders of magnitude worse than it was to be a problem.
Quiff Wichard
17-07-06, 11:23 PM
Miss it, die one short :clown:
So is that the slogan for next year then Ed? :thumbsup:
Cheers Mark.
ED- that's my quote i use about women..!!!!!
oh no- I mean doughnuts !! :D
Spiderman
18-07-06, 08:54 AM
mmmm, I was thinking about going on the 06 ride out but considered myself not experienced enough for it, judging by the stories in here there is not f*cking way on this planet I will be going on the next one unless I'm in a car.
I think the guys above have said all the good things to say so i'll just add this... If you do decide to come by car make sure you offer to be the support vehicle for your area and load up your car with everyones sleeping bags and tents so they have less to carry there and back.
If you're gonna bring a car make good use of it :D
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