View Full Version : Punish The Deed And NOT The Breed
21QUEST
05-01-07, 10:36 AM
http://videos.icnetwork.co.uk/icliverpool/MPolice%20dog%20seizure%20footage.mpeg
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier
Ben
Alpinestarhero
05-01-07, 11:24 AM
I think (because i havnt gone to the linkys) you mean that the people who breed the dogs to be fighters should be prosectued, and not the dogs themselves. My mum thinks the same, and i guess its the right thing. But when the dog has been trained for a long time to be agressive etc, and becomes dangerous, theres no real alternative.
BTW, im biased, as I have a big phobia of dogs. I've only ever sat and stroked one dog in my whole entire life; the others i have run away from. I even walk the long way home to avoid a bloke th at lives near me walking his two (scary looking) alsatians.
Matt
I think (because i havnt gone to the linkys) you mean that the people who breed the dogs to be fighters should be prosectued, and not the dogs themselves. My mum thinks the same, and i guess its the right thing. But when the dog has been trained for a long time to be agressive etc, and becomes dangerous, theres no real alternative.
BTW, im biased, as I have a big phobia of dogs. I've only ever sat and stroked one dog in my whole entire life; the others i have run away from. I even walk the long way home to avoid a bloke th at lives near me walking his two (scary looking) alsatians.
Matt
is there a reason for your phobia? I am have a phobia of snakes (no not trouser snakes....like them! ) and there is no reason for it, I have never been near a snake or attacked by a snake! Have you been bit by a dog or is it a phobia you have always had?
I think the problem lies with a lot of people who buy these dogs and have them as some sort of crap talisman of how hard they are and don't necessarily know how to train them properly.
That said, you can be the best dog trainer in the world, but the fact is, if you **** one of these things off, it is an incredibly powerful creature. Why do you think Bull terriers are so called ?
Although I think there should be tighter controls on dogs like this, it is sad to see any animal being harmed or destroyed.
21QUEST
05-01-07, 11:48 AM
I think (because i havnt gone to the linkys) you mean that the people who breed the dogs to be fighters should be prosectued, and not the dogs themselves. My mum thinks the same, and i guess its the right thing. But when the dog has been trained for a long time to be agressive etc, and becomes dangerous, theres no real alternative.
BTW, im biased, as I have a big phobia of dogs. I've only ever sat and stroked one dog in my whole entire life; the others i have run away from. I even walk the long way home to avoid a bloke th at lives near me walking his two (scary looking) alsatians.
Matt
Yes people who break the law have to answer for their actions. Another problem(more pressing) are the noobs who go and buy bull breeds and all manner of crosss, teach the dogs to be aggressive do not have them sufficiantly socialised etc. The problem of peddlers :x is also a big concern but takes more money than Government are prepared put towards doing things right.
The law should focus making people accountable but must include all breeds. It's just pains me to see a breed I love being wrecked by the actions of a few idiots and the government taking the easy way out.
Amnesty they say? Murdering animals under a not very well thought out Act. That can't be right fif you someone indeed loves dogs.
The important thing is a lot of dogs can and have been killed under the describtion of "type". So depending on how the stars line up that day, people can loose a loving pet.
Ben
21QUEST
05-01-07, 12:12 PM
I think the problem lies with a lot of people who buy these dogs and have them as some sort of crap talisman of how hard they are and don't necessarily know how to train them properly.
That said, you can be the best dog trainer in the world, but the fact is, if you p*ss one of these things off, it is an incredibly powerful creature. Why do you think Bull terriers are so called ?
Although I think there should be tighter controls on dogs like this, it is sad to see any animal being harmed or destroyed.
Tricky agree with you bar :) just one tiny bit.
Yes Bull Terriers are extremely powerful for their weight but they are far from the devil dogs they are made out to be. Plenty of other dogs for example Mastiffs, Rottie and others bred for guarding duties are larger and less stable temperament(aggression reagrds human) than Bull Terriers. I can't see why we can't just have one set of rules for everybody rather than it being pot luck if a dog lives or not.
I fully understand that to the uninitiated they look can look scary. More so with the crappy crosses being done by peddlers in which their goal is to exaggerate head etc.
What would peeps describe this dog as? Pit Bull. Just curious
http://upload5.postimage.org/121174/BW1.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/121174/photo_hosting.html)
Agree with you Rubberduckof death. When bred and brought up correctly a Bull Terrier should have not be human aggressive. On the other hand they like to please their owners so someone up to no good can turn one very bad indeed.
Ben
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Ben
Wouldnt like to say... but shouldn't it be on a lead?
only kidding x
Luckypants
05-01-07, 12:43 PM
What would peeps describe this dog as? Pit Bull. Just curious
http://upload5.postimage.org/121174/BW1.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/121174/photo_hosting.html)
Ben
Dunno, is it a Staffie? (Staffordshire Bull Terrier) Have a little brindle bitch that looks like that comes round to see my dogs and the horse. It is great mates with the horse! Our horse chases our dogs out of the field, but allows this little dog to stay and play!
ArtyLady
05-01-07, 12:45 PM
The law should focus making people accountable but must include all breeds. It's just pains me to see a breed I love being wrecked by the actions of a few idiots and the government taking the easy way out.
Ben
I totally agree.
I paint dog portraits for a living and have met many dogs, including those breeds in question.
I have to say I have never ever met a vicious or agressive dog whatever the breed, probably because they have all been owned by caring loving people who are responsible and dont just have the dog as an "accessory". :(
northwind
05-01-07, 12:53 PM
I don't know much about the nature of these dogs when they've been brought up 'correctly', but they're very dangerous creatures when angry and aggressive. It's likely that it's the fault of the people who have brought it up, but as with all animals they're unpredictable and shouldn't be left with small children. That goes for any large dog or even smaller ones. I wouldn't like my Jack Russell to be left with small children, and she's a softy.
The exact same thing goes for humans :)
I reckon it's a Staffie - but that just highlights another breed that is very misunderstood by the general public.
Very loving dogs. Loyal, which unfortunately means they have an inbuilt desire to please their owners... bad owner = bad dog.
I honestly belive that as puppies there are no bad dogs - only a varying degrees of potential for harm. Some breeds need more careful and strict ownership guidlines than others - but even that is 'our' fault.
We have breed them for centuries, millennia in some cases to fulfil a function of our primative lives. Far more impact should be taken by breeders and owners than by the dogs themselves.
My personal bugbear in all this is the rapid rise of breeding wolf crosses like the Walmute. Fashion accessories and nothing more. :evil:
The stablest of breeds are those like the Pharoh hound, one of the oldest breeds of dogs and so the furthest removed from it's wilder ancestry.
http://videos.icnetwork.co.uk/icliverpool/MPolice%20dog%20seizure%20footage.mpeg
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So what happens to them?
I'd just like to say soemthing about the whole 'bring them up nice thing'.
This doesn't work with pitbulls. And I mean purebreds, not the crosses. The pitbull is bred to kill, thats its Job. My mate used to breed them. He treated them perfectly and they still tried to kill any other dog that moved. There was nothing that he could do, its just in their nature.
The point is that even if a dog as unpredictable as a pitbull is kept as a pet, then its the owner's job to take the correct precautions (muzzle etc)
The fact of the matter is: You don't leave a pitbull with a small child and an old lady. That's just dumb.
Dogs can turn nasty, any dog can one day decide to bite. The better it is treated, the less chance there is of this happening, but it can still happen. So to finish, blame the owner for being a **** and leaving a dangerous dog with a small child.
Apophes
05-01-07, 03:10 PM
What would peeps describe this dog as? Pit Bull. Just curious
http://upload5.postimage.org/121174/BW1.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/121174/photo_hosting.html)
Agree with you Rubberduckof death. When bred and brought up correctly a Bull Terrier should have not be human aggressive. On the other hand they like to please their owners so someone up to no good can turn one very bad indeed.
Ben
that there be a lovely staffie nothing nasty or dangerous there at all just a happy doggy having fun and smiling
i have a great big hasty pasty staff that would at a secret command from me run over to you and lick and slobber all over you till your near death
its all down to the peeps who own them i would leave my dog with my kids and he would guard them with his life he is there friend and protector only person he ever showed any aggression to was in the process of burgling our house or should i say trying to till the dog got him
Luckypants
05-01-07, 03:14 PM
its all down to the peeps who own them i would leave my dog with my kids and he would guard them with his life he is there friend and protector only person he ever showed any aggression to was in the process of burgling our house or should i say trying to till the dog got him
Good boy! hope he got to keep the burglars leg as a trophy? :D
Apophes
05-01-07, 03:33 PM
Good boy! hope he got to keep the burglars leg as a trophy? :D
was his arm, he was young fit staffie then and could jump, i was asleep off nights when it happened don't know what scared the toe-rag more big staffie with super teeth or the telly tubby in boxers running down the stairs
he did once growl abit when my m8e skinny peter used to leave but i think he just thought it was a bone escaping on its own
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
but alas me little doggy is now almost 15 and not quite the bouncing pouch he used to be
the only dangerous thing about him now would be if you where trapped in an air tight room with him and you heard that tell tail staffie hisssss of death
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink: :wink: :wink:
Luckypants
05-01-07, 03:35 PM
the only dangerous thing about him now would be if you where trapped in an air tight room with him and you heard that tell tail staffie hisssss of death
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink: :wink: :wink:ROFLMAO! :D
I'd just like to say soemthing about the whole 'bring them up nice thing'.
This doesn't work with pitbulls. And I mean purebreds, not the crosses. The pitbull is bred to kill, thats its Job. My mate used to breed them. He treated them perfectly and they still tried to kill any other dog that moved. There was nothing that he could do, its just in their nature.
The point is that even if a dog as unpredictable as a pitbull is kept as a pet, then its the owner's job to take the correct precautions (muzzle etc)
The fact of the matter is: You don't leave a pitbull with a small child and an old lady. That's just dumb.
Dogs can turn nasty, any dog can one day decide to bite. The better it is treated, the less chance there is of this happening, but it can still happen. So to finish, blame the owner for being a c*ck and leaving a dangerous dog with a small child.
Amen to that. Had a few chats with the missus about these problems. Whilst the owners must take responsibility, certain dogs are bred to do just one thing when aggressive - don't let go until the pray is dead. They can't help it - it's the way they are. So they should have tighter methods of control, and should be better policed, somehow.
Alpinestarhero
05-01-07, 03:50 PM
I think (because i havnt gone to the linkys) you mean that the people who breed the dogs to be fighters should be prosectued, and not the dogs themselves. My mum thinks the same, and i guess its the right thing. But when the dog has been trained for a long time to be agressive etc, and becomes dangerous, theres no real alternative.
BTW, im biased, as I have a big phobia of dogs. I've only ever sat and stroked one dog in my whole entire life; the others i have run away from. I even walk the long way home to avoid a bloke th at lives near me walking his two (scary looking) alsatians.
Matt
is there a reason for your phobia? I am have a phobia of snakes (no not trouser snakes....like them! ) and there is no reason for it, I have never been near a snake or attacked by a snake! Have you been bit by a dog or is it a phobia you have always had?
A few reasons i guess. When i was very young i think i was chased by a labrador. I also disliked the loud bark of the dog next door when i was young. There was a great dane down the road that used to chase me when i rode my bicycle. And a couple of years ago i almost crashed into an oncoming vehicle when a dog ran out into the road toward me as i was riding my scooter.
I dont know really, my reasons seem rather stupid. But i just fear that dogs will run at me, jump on me and tear me to shreds. Only very few dogs do I not fear, and thats only after my girlfriend has shown me that they are safe.
Matt
UlsterSV
05-01-07, 03:57 PM
This week a couple of local councils here have gone ahead with a Pitbull 'amnesty'. IIRC six dogs have been killed so far. One lady was on the news at the beginning of the week complaining about "Staffordshire Pitbulls" :roll: Last night the BBC did a piece on the NI Staffie owners' club because Joe Bloggs kept confusing their dogs with Pitbulls. Admittedly, up till about 6 months ago I probably couldn't have told you the difference either (mainly 'cause I'm interested in other breeds). It seems to me that the dogs are perfectly safe and that irresponsible ownership is what makes a dog dangerous. In the US some states ban them whilst others use them in law enforcement work. I think that pretty much sums up the attitude towards the dogs here too. I just hope the Dangerous Dog Act won't be widened out to include a few other breeds that could potentially attract the attention of the hysterical media, such as the Akita breeds.
breeding wolf crosses like the Walmute.
ooooh....got a link - that sounds so cool.
Like Defenbeker from Due South!
but that wasn't the point you were making ... ;o)
I think (because i havnt gone to the linkys) you mean that the people who breed the dogs to be fighters should be prosectued, and not the dogs themselves. My mum thinks the same, and i guess its the right thing. But when the dog has been trained for a long time to be agressive etc, and becomes dangerous, theres no real alternative.
BTW, im biased, as I have a big phobia of dogs. I've only ever sat and stroked one dog in my whole entire life; the others i have run away from. I even walk the long way home to avoid a bloke th at lives near me walking his two (scary looking) alsatians.
Matt
is there a reason for your phobia? I am have a phobia of snakes (no not trouser snakes....like them! ) and there is no reason for it, I have never been near a snake or attacked by a snake! Have you been bit by a dog or is it a phobia you have always had?
A few reasons i guess. When i was very young i think i was chased by a labrador. I also disliked the loud bark of the dog next door when i was young. There was a great dane down the road that used to chase me when i rode my bicycle. And a couple of years ago i almost crashed into an oncoming vehicle when a dog ran out into the road toward me as i was riding my scooter.
I dont know really, my reasons seem rather stupid. But i just fear that dogs will run at me, jump on me and tear me to shreds. Only very few dogs do I not fear, and thats only after my girlfriend has shown me that they are safe.
Matt
You're weird dude, when I was 9 I was chased and savaged by a german shepard. The dog was put down and I got 42 stitches. I love dogs now. After I got out of the hospital my step dad bought me a labrador puppy. I wasn't scared of him coz he was lttle puppy barely 8 weeks old. He lived for 16 years and after he died I couldn't bring myself to get another dog.
I've got an alsatian. They're really amazing dogs. Loyal beyond belief, intelligent, and natural guardians. I love mine to bits, I don't know what I'll do when he finally goes. :(
Oh and as for Staffs, one of my other mate's has one. She's getting on a bit now, but even though they have the appearance and thelocking-jaw trait of the pitbull, they don't have their aggression. In fact, she gets beatun up by their other dog, a yorkshire terrier named Rebel. (what a name)
Alpinestarhero
05-01-07, 08:41 PM
You're weird dude
Ta :lol:
Matt
socommk23
05-01-07, 09:37 PM
i had an american staff! she was luvly!
wouldnt hurt a fly yet people are always weary of her!
http://upload5.postimage.org/127029/tia.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/127029/photo_hosting.html)
staffs make a great family pet!
when i can a doberman will be my next dog.
Samnooshka
05-01-07, 09:40 PM
My personal bugbear in all this is the rapid rise of breeding wolf crosses like the Walmute. Fashion accessories and nothing more. :evil: .
Wolf crosses are on the rise, but anyone caught with one will be prosecuted under the dangerous animals, and the dog most likely will be destroyed. any wolf hybrid should be caged/penned.... afaik
Wolf crosses are just an image, My dog however very much wolf looking, is not just a pet to me and is in no way an image status. He will be working next winter when he is big enough.
As for Bull Terriers, of any type, i personally don't like them, i don't trust them and will actively cross the road to avoid them with or without Lupo. I was bitten by a staffy and suffered bad scaring on my right arm from it which has thankfully healed after 7 years. The bitch also cut through the nerves and i still get the odd elecric nerve shock from them every so often. I also sa another staffy turn and bite another pet, in its same family, whilst this dog it attacked was asleep by my feet. there was no reason for the attack both dogs had been sleeping for a good 20 minutes before the staffy got up and took a chunk out of the border collies nose... a few stitches later and the collie was fine.
As much as i can trust lupo, i would never leave him alone with a child, he could be the worlds best behaved dog, but it's just common sense not to leave them alone together.
It's just my opinion, but we're all entitled to it.
Samnooshka
05-01-07, 09:43 PM
when i can a doberman will be my next dog.
I had a doberman when i was growing up, was a true giant for his breed. Had the biggest most loving heart. On our way home from school the kids would rattle our gates at the bottom of the garden... mum would shout if you don't stop doing that i'll set my dog on you.. she'd call otto down and as soon as he saw the kids he'd roll over at the gate and all the kids would shout out... oh hello otto, then he'd run mad around the garden all excited.... stupid dog.
socommk23
05-01-07, 09:51 PM
when i can a doberman will be my next dog.
I had a doberman when i was growing up, was a true giant for his breed. Had the biggest most loving heart. On our way home from school the kids would rattle our gates at the bottom of the garden... mum would shout if you don't stop doing that i'll set my dog on you.. she'd call otto down and as soon as he saw the kids he'd roll over at the gate and all the kids would shout out... oh hello otto, then he'd run mad around the garden all excited.... stupid dog.
lol
the ones ive seen are just big kids! absolutly love them!
makes me hope that who ever has my old dog "Tia" i hope they realise she is a american "staff" and not a pitbull!
Apophes
05-01-07, 09:54 PM
http://upload5.postimage.org/127223/staff.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/127223/photo_hosting.html)
theres me little staffie and one of his young girl friends
socommk23
05-01-07, 09:59 PM
http://upload5.postimage.org/127223/staff.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/127223/photo_hosting.html)
theres me little staffie and one of his young girl friends
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
21QUEST
05-01-07, 10:32 PM
What would peeps describe this dog as? Pit Bull. Just curious
Ben
Wouldnt like to say... but shouldn't it be on a lead?
only kidding x
Hehe Cheeky.... :lol:
I'd just like to say soemthing about the whole 'bring them up nice thing'.
This doesn't work with pitbulls. And I mean purebreds, not the crosses. The pitbull is bred to kill, thats its Job. My mate used to breed them. He treated them perfectly and they still tried to kill any other dog that moved. There was nothing that he could do, its just in their nature.
Sorry Davido that is just rubbish. The Pitbull is NOT bred to kill. That is NOT it's job. Pitbulls are use as PAT dogs, work in rescue etc. Infact a pitbull would excell in almost any jobs that dogs do you can think off. Like I said I in a way understand that they can look scary to people(not used to them) but still doesn't make it right for them to be unfairly velified.
Hmm...if the only problem you mate had is the fact that all his dogs did not like other dogs then he is definitely the wrong person to be owning I dare say any dog. Not every dog of all breeds would get along with other dogs. You said he treated them nice. The dog may have been treated nice but that's only oart of the molding process ie were the socialised properly/correct.It's like saying ooh...River doesn't like other dogs but that's okay but with a pitbull/bull terrier that's just not acceptable. There are plenty of pure bred pitbulls/terrier living with other dogs
The point is that even if a dog as unpredictable as a pitbull is kept as a pet, then its the owner's job to take the correct precautions (muzzle etc)
The pitbull has one of the most stable temperaments. They are not unpredictable or should we say no more unpredictable than any other breed. Again more predictable than any big guardian breeds(arguebly bred for protection) I can think of and those can and do cause lot of damage to humans and for me that is the most important part. If we are to agree that a dog that is agressive towards humans then it will alomost follow that the guardian breeds might as well be outlawed. There is no point to having them. Not that I'm suggesting that.
The fact of the matter is: You don't leave a pitbull with a small child and an old lady. That's just dumb.
Common sense says you don't leave ANY dog with a small child
Dogs can turn nasty, any dog can one day decide to bite. The better it is treated, the less chance there is of this happening, but it can still happen. So to finish, blame the owner for being a c*ck and leaving a dangerous dog with a small child.
Can't argue with blaming an owner if a child comes to harm because it was left alone with a dog. As an aside how is you dog with other dogs?
but alas me little doggy is now almost 15 and not quite the bouncing pouch he used to be
the only dangerous thing about him now would be if you where trapped in an air tight room with him and you heard that tell tail staffie hisssss of death
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink: :wink: :wink:
:roll: :lol:
wow that's a good old age that :thumright: . I myself might be getting another old boy(7 Yrs) who is in need of a home.
I reckon it's a Staffie - but that just highlights another breed that is very misunderstood by the general public.
Very loving dogs. Loyal, which unfortunately means they have an inbuilt desire to please their owners... bad owner = bad dog.
Yes, you are correct. A staffie to those that know what they are looking but you'll be surprised at how many people ask what he is as in "it's not a pitbull is it?" 17.5 plus inchs but certainly would fall under the "type" :roll: .
Re highlights. That's one of the most annoying things when it comes to idiot owners. ...and the dog pays for it in the end.
Oh and as for Staffs, one of my other mate's has one. She's getting on a bit now, but even though they have the appearance and thelocking-jaw trait of the pitbull, they don't have their aggression. In fact, she gets beatun up by their other dog, a yorkshire terrier named Rebel. (what a name)
Hmm...Ok I guess you are talking about what one might call KC showing staffords. Even with that not all are like your friends stafford. Not the same as APBT but some KC staffords defintely have the fire in there belly.
Another thing is bull terriers do NOT have locking jaws. Another myth/misconception that peole have.
socommk23 , lovely looking dog. Only thing is pic is tiny. Can you make it bigger :shock: :lol:
http://upload5.postimage.org/127223/staff.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/127223/photo_hosting.html)
theres me little staffie and one of his young girl friends
Looking good for an old boy 8)
Ben
ps: Description of the main characteristics of the Pit Bull Terrier type :roll:
General Description
Muscular smooth-haired dog.
Has a square profile (i.e. as tall from the
ground to the top of the shoulder and
as long from point of shoulder to point
of hip).
Height (average for both male and
female) (shoulder): 45–55 cm.
Head
Should be wedge-shaped when viewed
from the top or side and round when
viewed from the front.
Broad jawbones.
Broad skull.
Strongly developed nostrils.
Strongly developed cheek and
jaw muscles.
Muzzle
Not pointed.
Ears
Located high on skull.
Tips of ears fold forward or sideways
or have been cropped.
No wrinkles.
Eyes
Elliptical when viewed from front.
Triangular when viewed from side.
Small and deep set.
Neck
Muscular all the way up to base of skull.
Chest
Broad.
Deep ribcage.
Ribs strongly curved tapering towards
bottom.
Back
Muscular.
Broad sloping hips.
Broad loin.
Legs
Front legs are straight and give a massive,
solid impression.
Hips are long and broad and continue on
to become relatively long hind legs with
a well-muscled thigh.
Coat
Single coat.
Short smooth haired but bristled to touch.
Can be any colour.
Tail
Located low down in hindquarters.
Thick at base tapering to point at end.
Narrows to a slender tip or has
been docked.
Should hang like a pump handle
when relaxed.
From here;
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/do...dogsleaflet.pdf
21QUEST
05-01-07, 10:44 PM
Wolf crosses are just an image, My dog however very much wolf looking, is not just a pet to me and is in no way an image status. He will be working next winter when he is big enough.
As for Bull Terriers, of any type, i personally don't like them, i don't trust them and will actively cross the road to avoid them with or without Lupo. I was bitten by a staffy and suffered bad scaring on my right arm from it which has thankfully healed after 7 years. The bitch also cut through the nerves and i still get the odd elecric nerve shock from them every so often. I also sa another staffy turn and bite another pet, in its same family, whilst this dog it attacked was asleep by my feet. there was no reason for the attack both dogs had been sleeping for a good 20 minutes before the staffy got up and took a chunk out of the border collies nose... a few stitches later and the collie was fine.
It's just my opinion, but we're all entitled to it.
Sam it's sad you have had a bad experience which has made you not like them. Joe, Sarah and maybe jambo(not sure on that) have met the staffie in the pic I put up and they'll tell you he is a spot on dog.
The attack on the dog is also not something nice but it could have been any other breed.
Good on you for making Lupo work for his feed :P :wink: . Lovely daft looking pup him :) (for now)
Oh..and your opinion is rubbish. Just jesting :lol:
Ben
Jelster
05-01-07, 11:13 PM
I'd just like to say soemthing about the whole 'bring them up nice thing'.
This doesn't work with pitbulls. And I mean purebreds, not the crosses. The pitbull is bred to kill, thats its Job. My mate used to breed them. He treated them perfectly and they still tried to kill any other dog that moved. There was nothing that he could do, its just in their nature.
I didn't think that the "Pitbull" was a pure breed, I thought it was a cross of two specific breeds to produce a dog with the physique and attitude suitable to be trained to fight. I may have wire crossed somewhere though.
I love dogs, don't have one as my circumstances mean that I couldn't make the comittment necessary, but we always had dogs when I was at home with my parents. However, if any animal is unpredictable around humans of any size/age they have no place in a home. Too many people have pets (especially dogs) for the wrong reasons and do not take due care and responsibility for them either. All dogs should be on leads in public places.
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ArtyLady
05-01-07, 11:42 PM
Too many people have pets (especially dogs) for the wrong reasons and do not take due care and responsibility for them either. All dogs should be on leads in public places.
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Amen to that - a Staffie attacked and floored my dear old Bearded Collie Cross last year, had her by the neck, the staffie was off the lead (my dog was on her lead) and the couple walking him had another dog also off the lead :roll: .
They also had two tiny kids :? .
Fortunately my old girl was ok, just badly shaken but the k*b heads just stood watching it all happen while I screamed "get the f**ing dog off :shock: ! The guy ambled over and casually pulled the Staffie off and the woman was a little concerned but not much. I fear for the kids I really do :x
Anyway our old girl survived that but we lost her to old age last week, our kids grew up with her, she was nearly 17, but we are totally heartbroken :(
RIP Suzie.
Ancient Chinese proverb say 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.
This beholder can't see anything attractive about these vicious dogs. No thank you, I'm very happy with my ginger cat. His name's Pookie. Or, because of his long Roman nose, Pookibus :D
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Sythree/DSC01958.jpg
Luckypants
05-01-07, 11:58 PM
Ancient Chinese proverb say 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.
This beholder can't see anything attractive about these vicious dogs. No thank you, I'm very happy with my ginger cat. His name's Pookie.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Sythree/DSC01958.jpgCats! Sly, evil, backstabbing creatures! Yours looks like the leader of their evil empire!
socommk23
06-01-07, 12:27 AM
What would peeps describe this dog as? Pit Bull. Just curious
Ben
Wouldnt like to say... but shouldn't it be on a lead?
only kidding x
Hehe Cheeky.... :lol:
I'd just like to say soemthing about the whole 'bring them up nice thing'.
This doesn't work with pitbulls. And I mean purebreds, not the crosses. The pitbull is bred to kill, thats its Job. My mate used to breed them. He treated them perfectly and they still tried to kill any other dog that moved. There was nothing that he could do, its just in their nature.
Sorry Davido that is just rubbish. The Pitbull is NOT bred to kill. That is NOT it's job. Pitbulls are use as PAT dogs, work in rescue etc. Infact a pitbull would excell in almost any jobs that dogs do you can think off. Like I said I in a way understand that they can look scary to people(not used to them) but still doesn't make it right for them to be unfairly velified.
Hmm...if the only problem you mate had is the fact that all his dogs did not like other dogs then he is definitely the wrong person to be owning I dare say any dog. Not every dog of all breeds would get along with other dogs. You said he treated them nice. The dog may have been treated nice but that's only oart of the molding process ie were the socialised properly/correct.It's like saying ooh...River doesn't like other dogs but that's okay but with a pitbull/bull terrier that's just not acceptable. There are plenty of pure bred pitbulls/terrier living with other dogs
The point is that even if a dog as unpredictable as a pitbull is kept as a pet, then its the owner's job to take the correct precautions (muzzle etc)
The pitbull has one of the most stable temperaments. They are not unpredictable or should we say no more unpredictable than any other breed. Again more predictable than any big guardian breeds(arguebly bred for protection) I can think of and those can and do cause lot of damage to humans and for me that is the most important part. If we are to agree that a dog that is agressive towards humans then it will alomost follow that the guardian breeds might as well be outlawed. There is no point to having them. Not that I'm suggesting that.
The fact of the matter is: You don't leave a pitbull with a small child and an old lady. That's just dumb.
Common sense says you don't leave ANY dog with a small child
Dogs can turn nasty, any dog can one day decide to bite. The better it is treated, the less chance there is of this happening, but it can still happen. So to finish, blame the owner for being a c*ck and leaving a dangerous dog with a small child.
Can't argue with blaming an owner if a child comes to harm because it was left alone with a dog. As an aside how is you dog with other dogs?
but alas me little doggy is now almost 15 and not quite the bouncing pouch he used to be
the only dangerous thing about him now would be if you where trapped in an air tight room with him and you heard that tell tail staffie hisssss of death
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink: :wink: :wink:
:roll: :lol:
wow that's a good old age that :thumright: . I myself might be getting another old boy(7 Yrs) who is in need of a home.
I reckon it's a Staffie - but that just highlights another breed that is very misunderstood by the general public.
Very loving dogs. Loyal, which unfortunately means they have an inbuilt desire to please their owners... bad owner = bad dog.
Yes, you are correct. A staffie to those that know what they are looking but you'll be surprised at how many people ask what he is as in "it's not a pitbull is it?" 17.5 plus inchs but certainly would fall under the "type" :roll: .
Re highlights. That's one of the most annoying things when it comes to idiot owners. ...and the dog pays for it in the end.
Oh and as for Staffs, one of my other mate's has one. She's getting on a bit now, but even though they have the appearance and thelocking-jaw trait of the pitbull, they don't have their aggression. In fact, she gets beatun up by their other dog, a yorkshire terrier named Rebel. (what a name)
Hmm...Ok I guess you are talking about what one might call KC showing staffords. Even with that not all are like your friends stafford. Not the same as APBT but some KC staffords defintely have the fire in there belly.
Another thing is bull terriers do NOT have locking jaws. Another myth/misconception that peole have.
socommk23 , lovely looking dog. Only thing is pic is tiny. Can you make it bigger :shock: :lol:
http://upload5.postimage.org/127223/staff.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/127223/photo_hosting.html)
theres me little staffie and one of his young girl friends
Looking good for an old boy 8)
Ben
ps: Description of the main characteristics of the Pit Bull Terrier type :roll:
General Description
Muscular smooth-haired dog.
Has a square profile (i.e. as tall from the
ground to the top of the shoulder and
as long from point of shoulder to point
of hip).
Height (average for both male and
female) (shoulder): 45–55 cm.
Head
Should be wedge-shaped when viewed
from the top or side and round when
viewed from the front.
Broad jawbones.
Broad skull.
Strongly developed nostrils.
Strongly developed cheek and
jaw muscles.
Muzzle
Not pointed.
Ears
Located high on skull.
Tips of ears fold forward or sideways
or have been cropped.
No wrinkles.
Eyes
Elliptical when viewed from front.
Triangular when viewed from side.
Small and deep set.
Neck
Muscular all the way up to base of skull.
Chest
Broad.
Deep ribcage.
Ribs strongly curved tapering towards
bottom.
Back
Muscular.
Broad sloping hips.
Broad loin.
Legs
Front legs are straight and give a massive,
solid impression.
Hips are long and broad and continue on
to become relatively long hind legs with
a well-muscled thigh.
Coat
Single coat.
Short smooth haired but bristled to touch.
Can be any colour.
Tail
Located low down in hindquarters.
Thick at base tapering to point at end.
Narrows to a slender tip or has
been docked.
Should hang like a pump handle
when relaxed.
From here;
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/do...dogsleaflet.pdf
here is a person that knows what they are talking about!
pics of my little girl.....where she is now i dont know! i so hope she is ok....i really miss her!
http://upload5.postimage.org/128504/Photo_0004.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/128504/photo_hosting.html)
daddy pweeeeeese!!!!
would put more up but the add image button just keeps adding the same pic ! grrr
socommk23
06-01-07, 12:28 AM
Ancient Chinese proverb say 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.
This beholder can't see anything attractive about these vicious dogs. No thank you, I'm very happy with my ginger cat. His name's Pookie.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Sythree/DSC01958.jpgCats! Sly, evil, backstabbing creatures! Yours looks like the leader of their evil empire!
EEEEEVVVVILLLLLL!
Apophes
06-01-07, 12:45 AM
Ancient Chinese proverb say 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.
This beholder can't see anything attractive about these vicious dogs. No thank you, I'm very happy with my ginger cat. His name's Pookie.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Sythree/DSC01958.jpgCats! Sly, evil, backstabbing creatures! Yours looks like the leader of their evil empire!
EEEEEVVVVILLLLLL!
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkk not only is it a Moggy its a ginger Moggy
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
socommk23
06-01-07, 12:47 AM
Ancient Chinese proverb say 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.
This beholder can't see anything attractive about these vicious dogs. No thank you, I'm very happy with my ginger cat. His name's Pookie.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Sythree/DSC01958.jpgCats! Sly, evil, backstabbing creatures! Yours looks like the leader of their evil empire!
EEEEEVVVVILLLLLL!
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkk not only is it a Moggy its a ginger Moggy
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
the worstest!!!!!
northwind
06-01-07, 12:48 AM
As much as i can trust lupo, i would never leave him alone with a child, he could be the worlds best behaved dog, but it's just common sense not to leave them alone together.
Yep, even the best dog can be provoked by a sufficiently bad kid, and you know it's not going to be the kid that gets put down... Years ago I came across a white boxer going for a lad about 8 years old, and I mean properly going for him. Me and another guy basically waded in with our boots and convinced the dog to go elsewhere, found the kid's parents, and then the owner of the boxer- and then later it turned out the kid had climbed into their garden and stuck a big stick into the boxer's collar after approaching it, and twisted... When the poor thing finally got loose it decided to level the scores a little. But without the video, it'd have been put down for sure- and even I would've said it was dangerous, because it took so much to drive it off.
socommk23
06-01-07, 12:55 AM
As much as i can trust lupo, i would never leave him alone with a child, he could be the worlds best behaved dog, but it's just common sense not to leave them alone together.
Yep, even the best dog can be provoked by a sufficiently bad kid, and you know it's not going to be the kid that gets put down... Years ago I came across a white boxer going for a lad about 8 years old, and I mean properly going for him. Me and another guy basically waded in with our boots and convinced the dog to go elsewhere, found the kid's parents, and then the owner of the boxer- and then later it turned out the kid had climbed into their garden and stuck a big stick into the boxer's collar after approaching it, and twisted... When the poor thing finally got loose it decided to level the scores a little. But without the video, it'd have been put down for sure- and even I would've said it was dangerous, because it took so much to drive it off.
this happened with my friends dog!
was tied up outside a shop while friend went in for fags....kids outside started winding the dog up...(alsation..ex police dog) (but ill add a great dog with exelent temprement) kids started poking the dog and one slaped her....she bit back and sudenly it was the dogs fault!
police arrived at friends house cos she apparently had a dangerous dog....luckily several locals and shop workers witnessed it!
Apophes
06-01-07, 01:17 AM
Ancient Chinese proverb say 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.
This beholder can't see anything attractive about these vicious dogs. No thank you, I'm very happy with my ginger cat. His name's Pookie.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Sythree/DSC01958.jpgCats! Sly, evil, backstabbing creatures! Yours looks like the leader of their evil empire!
EEEEEVVVVILLLLLL!
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkk not only is it a Moggy its a ginger Moggy
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
the worstest!!!!!
have you noticed on tv and films all the realy big baddies have them there cat things as pets
Dr Evil
Ernst Stavro Blofeld
Mrs Slocombe
Luckypants
06-01-07, 03:59 PM
have you noticed on tv and films all the realy big baddies have them there cat things as pets
Dr Evil
Ernst Stavro Blofeld
:laughat: Mrs Slocombe
PMSL
[quote="21QUEST"]
if the only problem you mate had is the fact that all his dogs did not like other dogs then he is definitely the wrong person to be owning I dare say any dog. Not every dog of all breeds would get along with other dogs. You said he treated them nice. The dog may have been treated nice but that's only oart of the molding process ie were the socialised properly/correct.It's like saying ooh...River doesn't like other dogs but that's okay but with a pitbull/bull terrier that's just not acceptable. There are plenty of pure bred pitbulls/terrier living with other dogs
Not saying that at all, just pointing out the fact that they were aggressive even when properly socialised. He said that they were pleasant up until about 2 years of age and then suddenly turned aggressive. They had a sudden urge to kill all other dogs around them, even though they had shown no signs of being aggressive beforehand.
I'm not being funny, but you can't really comment on my friend's ability to keeping dogs. He's licenced to breed them, so as far as anybody is concerned, he knows what he is doing.
Common sense says you don't leave ANY dog with a small child
No disagreeing there, butI'd rather leave a labradour with a child than a pitbull. Even though i wouldn't leave my dog alone with small children. (Alsatian)
Can't argue with blaming an owner if a child comes to harm because it was left alone with a dog. As an aside how is you dog with other dogs?
My dog is great with other dogs. The only thing he will bark at is peoplke who he sees as a potential threat. As an alsatian its in his isntinct to be a sort of guardian, but beyond a bit of barking, he's not at all aggressive.
Another thing is bull terriers do NOT have locking jaws. Another myth/misconception that peole have.
Do you mean Staff's or pitbulls? Because if you mean staff's, I think you should come and meet my friend's dog before passing judgement.
I personally agree with the 'punish the owner' statement, so I'm not sure where this random hostility came from. Fact is, they may not be more dangerous from a temperment standpoint, but they sure can do a lot more damage.[QUOTE]
21QUEST
07-01-07, 03:03 AM
if the only problem you mate had is the fact that all his dogs did not like other dogs then he is definitely the wrong person to be owning I dare say any dog. Not every dog of all breeds would get along with other dogs. You said he treated them nice. The dog may have been treated nice but that's only part of the molding process IE were the socialised properly/correct.It's like saying ooh...River doesn't like other dogs but that's okay but with a pitbull/bull terrier that's just not acceptable. There are plenty of pure bred pitbulls/terrier living with other dogs
Not saying that at all, just pointing out the fact that they were aggressive even when properly socialised. He said that they were pleasant up until about 2 years of age and then suddenly turned aggressive. They had a sudden urge to kill all other dogs around them, even though they had shown no signs of being aggressive beforehand.
I'm not being funny, but you can't really comment on my friend's ability to keeping dogs. He's licenced to breed them, so as far as anybody is concerned, he knows what he is doing.
Sorry it wasn't my intention to come across as hostile towards you but a lot of what you said(firmly believe in) was not based on any real knowledge/understanding of bull terriers. As you can gather I'll rather people hopefully try to understand better but they that can only happen if they want to.
Regards having the URGE to want to kill other dogs. "the urge to kill" is a pretty bold statement that. How he can absolutely be sure of that I do not know unless of course just means the dog/dogs didn't exactly want to play chummy with other dogs. Again a lot of dogs from other breeds are the same. Same as some dogs are okay at puppy class but at a certain stage may not be suitable anymore while others are still perfectly okay.
Anyone with an understanding of certain breeds(eg mastiffs, bull terriers etc) should be aware that even though all dogs can be aggressive towards other dogs , certain breeds are more likely). That is why I was surprised that that would come from a breeder especially one breeding bull terriers.
Therefore without wishing to be rude I feel that was a perfectly legitimate criticism if you will, with the reasons I have given above.
Breeders licence doesn't necessarily mean that one automatically knows all I'm afraid, going from what you need to get a license anyways
http://www.basildon.gov.uk/80256B7A003BE9EE/vWeb/wpEFEN6BNJKL
http://www.setanti.com/licensing/dogbreednotes.htm
Common sense says you don't leave ANY dog with a small child
No disagreeing there, butI'd rather leave a labradour with a child than a pitbull. Even though i wouldn't leave my dog alone with small children. (Alsatian)
Fair enough but that is just the opposite for me. I'll rather leave a kid with a bull terrier.
Can't argue with blaming an owner if a child comes to harm because it was left alone with a dog. As an aside how is you dog with other dogs?
My dog is great with other dogs. The only thing he will bark at is peoplke who he sees as a potential threat. As an alsatian its in his isntinct to be a sort of guardian, but beyond a bit of barking, he's not at all aggressive.
The dogs pic I posted is good with other dogs but of course peoples see would see him and immediately think differently. In fact I've had two or three GSD start something on him. He won't back down but the annoying thing is people seeing it will again automatically think he must have started it.
The GSD, Rottie have all been bred to be guard dogs and are routinely used in law enforcement. Now yours may not go beyond barking but there are plenty of others(including those from other guarding breeds) that might go further than that. That is what they were bred to do ie protect.
At the same time I've got a friend who has three bull terriers. One of hers is absolutely 100% trustworthy with other dogs but the other bitch cannot be let off the lead. The bitch just doesn't like other dogs(male or female). The third(a male) is fairly okay with other dogs but cannot be totally trusted with male dogs so is also never off the lead. All three are spot on with humans. I sense like a lot of people you are confusing animal/dog aggression with human aggression
Another thing is bull terriers do NOT have locking jaws. Another myth/misconception that people have.
Do you mean Staff's or pitbulls? Because if you mean staff's, I think you should come and meet my friend's dog before passing judgement.
Pitbulls, staff, no dog has a locking jaw
http://www.nyx.net/~mbur/apbtfaqtoc.html#toc (click on frequently asked questions)
I personally agree with the 'punish the owner' statement, so I'm not sure where this random hostility came from. Fact is, they may not be more dangerous from a temperment standpoint, but they sure can do a lot more damage.
Certainly can do a lot of damage but so too can a lot of other breeds. I'm all for people being made responsible/accountable but not BSL especially when justified by NOT truths. Again didn't mean to come across hostile. :thumright:
http://www.apbtconformation.com
Ben
phewieeee.... that all took some reading. Anyway, just for my 2p worth! I work in a boarding kennels, obviously caring for the owners beloved pets while they are out jollying! And I have to say, when working, I would not differentiate between one breed or another. The main thing I way up is the owner when they drop them off, and very often it is the polite timid owner that brings in the most troublesome dog.
Most dogs of a stable mind react well to FIRM, FAIR, handling, even if they are not used to it. (It does not take long to teach a dog who is the pack leader) They are non complicated animals, but each is different. Dogs are pack animals, and if confused in the home environment, they think the child is less important in the pack .... this has got to be down to the owner in my opinion to put the four legged friend in his place before it gets out of hand. An aware and conscientious owner would see the warning signs, and deal with it.
I have my opinions on the type of owner of this particular dog is, but I can't really justify it as I have never met him. I have stereotyped him, and blamed him.
Just one thing I would like to ask ...... it seems that some people believe that if a dog attacks another dog this makes him a threat to people...... Is there really a connection? I personally don't think so but I am happy to be proved wrong!
:)
socommk23
07-01-07, 11:50 AM
my little girl caught a cat in the garden and killed it with no real mallace or effort....in fact she was confused as to why it wasnt moving anymore!
its natral for any animal that is primarily a predator to chase things that run! i dont believe this automaticaly makes them a threat to humans!
during a summer 2 years ago i used to spend a lot of time out in the garage working on the sv....the garage backs out on to a small park where kids play all day. id let tia out to sit with me or play with the kids....some of them were frightened to death of her ... but it only took 5 mins befor they had her on the adventure playground.
for days after i had kids knocking on the front door asking..."is tia coming out to play?"
UlsterSV
07-01-07, 02:23 PM
Can Pitbulls ever be safe and legal? They're arguably the best fighting dog in the world so won't that mean that no matter how many responsible owners there are, the breed will forever attract bad owners who will always give the breed a bad name?
Can Pitbulls ever be safe and legal? They're arguably the best fighting dog in the world so won't that mean that no matter how many responsible owners there are, the breed will forever attract bad owners who will always give the breed a bad name?
Today's events in Liverpool - have a look at the BBC News site - simply confirm what you say, USV.
Notwithstanding Ben's eloquent post, I don't understand why anyone would want a fighting dog.
As this is a dog thread, I thought I'd post some pics up of my mate.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/davidopi666/DSCF0007-2.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/davidopi666/DSCF0008-1.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/davidopi666/DSCF0006-1.jpg
Ain't he the best? :D (Nails need a trim though)
not quite ............................ my lurcher, Billy the lanky streak of p*ss !
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:D
That's a lovely horse you have there Davido... Unusual to allow them on the bed though.. they're generally kept in stables.... :lol:
;)
UlsterSV
08-01-07, 03:58 PM
S'alright folks, whilst searching the interweb for info on Pitbulls in Ireland (where the dogs are legal) I came across this insightful article penned by an "Irish-American" on her blog. No idea who the author is, but it certainly makes for interesting - and humourous - reading. Turns out the Pitbull ban is rather more sinister than we first suspected :lol:
"Kill All Pitbulls - Or Just The Catholic Pitbulls?
Maybe the last line says it all - "The dogs are not illegal in the republic."
That would mean the dogs that Ballymena has banned - pitbull terriers - are legal in the mostly Catholic Republic of Ireland.
I have always maintained that pitbull bans are not about the dogs, but rather about the people who own them.
And farbeit from me to speak aloud the idea that local lawmakers have utterly failed in their duty to protect the public health and safety by actually enforcing dangerous dog laws, or even paying attention to the enforcement of local leash laws, and instead, create and leverage a hysteria based not on deed but on breed, for which there is absolutely no scientific evidence, and glorify themselves all while trampling on the rights of responsible citizens......................
But now I must ask the question - have lawmakers in Ballymena sunk to a new low?
Are Mr. Nigel Devine and Ballymena's Protestant local lawmakers, aside from the obvious exploitation of innocent dogs, extending an unspoken hatred of Catholics through dogs that may be perceived to be owned by Catholics?
Profiling People By Profiling Their Dogs
Regardless, demanding that citizens turn their dogs in to be euthanized as "Pitbull Amnesty" is an outrage - a travesty.
Once again, opportunistic, hateful, yes- greedy! local politicians are using dogs as a convenient vehicle to criminalize their people who own dogs of a certain breed, and marginalize the rights and responsibilities of the targeted group of dog owners.
Do the officials in Ballymena mean to target the dogs - or is the so-called "Pitbull Amnesty" really about targeting the owners of these dogs?
Shall we condemn innocent people for being Protestants, Catholics, Jews or Muslims? Shall we condemn people for the color of their skin, the shape of their nose, the texture of their hair?
Or shall we condemn people who make violence, people who make bombs, people who kill - and use religion, race or ethnicity as an excuse to do so - whether in Ireland, in Croatia, in Darfur or the Middle East?
Shall we condemn innocent dogs for the shape of their head, their ears or nose, the color of their fur - their breed? Shall we condemn them to death for being not even a breed, but a class of breeds?
Or shall we condemn people who use dogs - any dog - to engage in criminal activity, to engage in dogfighting, to allow or train dogs to attack - for irresponsible, negligent or criminal behavior?
The banning of pitbulls, whether in Northen Ireland or in North America, leads me closer to thinking that dogs - specifically pitbulls - are just pawns -merely the cover used by local lawmakers to commit civil rights and human rights violations.
I condemn the city of Ballymena, it's dog warden Nigel Devine, and the city officials for this terrible act of profiling - the dogs - and their human owners.
But perhaps city officials in Ballymena will in turn condemn me - for after all, this Protestant daughter of Ballymena ended up committing the gravest of sins, for which I may never be forgiven.
I married a Catholic. And not only did I marry a Catholic, I own a pit bull. A double sin.
In Ballymena - this probably means that I will have be condemned for not only marrying the 'wrong breed" of person, my dog will be condemned for being the "wrong breed" dog.
And according to some local officials in Ballymena, this means I also will not make it into Heaven."
Luckypants
08-01-07, 04:04 PM
blimey, Catholic this and Protestant that..... people are people, end of. Makes no difference what 'school' you went to or what church you attend. I hate that kind of bigotry.
ArtyLady
08-01-07, 04:43 PM
You obviously love your dogs :D
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socommk23
08-01-07, 05:04 PM
blimey, Catholic this and Protestant that..... people are people, end of. Makes no difference what 'school' you went to or what church you attend. I hate that kind of bigotry.
isnt that what ireland and well religion is all about??? creating differences and hatred!!!!!
Apophes
08-01-07, 08:01 PM
You obviously love your dogs :D
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http://upload5.postimage.org/156289/hillshepsweb.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/156289/photo_hosting.html)
looking at these great pictures makes me wish i had some good ones of me furry pig
it my chair are you big enough to move me?
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whoops what i done
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ok yah gits who stole me ear i know one of you has it give it back
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socommk23
08-01-07, 10:32 PM
You obviously love your dogs :D
http://upload5.postimage.org/156354/choclabweb.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/156354/photo_hosting.html)
http://upload5.postimage.org/156415/staffordshirebtweb.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/156415/photo_hosting.html)
http://upload5.postimage.org/156364/irishwolfhoundweb.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/156364/photo_hosting.html)
http://upload5.postimage.org/156289/hillshepsweb.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/156289/photo_hosting.html)
looking at these great pictures makes me wish i had some good ones of me furry pig
it my chair are you big enough to move me?
http://upload5.postimage.org/158422/levi.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/158422/photo_hosting.html)
whoops what i done
http://upload5.postimage.org/158448/000_0109_0001.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/158448/photo_hosting.html)
ok yah gits who stole me ear i know one of you has it give it back
http://upload5.postimage.org/158474/000_0158.jpg (http://upload5.postimage.org/158474/photo_hosting.html)
staffs are the cutest!
21QUEST
09-01-07, 10:24 AM
Nice furry friends there. All different but all with one thing in common in that all the owners have a lot of love for them. Also...ok before I get carried away :wink:
Davido your dog looks a big daft lad :) . Tomcat, got a lurcher round my way and it's a sight to see her running all day trying to get the rabbits. Very fast and able to turn like nothing else.
need2ride, I take it those are your works. Brilliant stuff. Theat lady(blog) is emm.... a little bit nuts I'd say.
Don't ban the Breeds --Vid with some images which may upset but nothing you wouldn't see on an animal charity site I would think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0rDTBTLsfM&watch_response
Ben
ArtyLady
09-01-07, 10:40 AM
need2ride, I take it those are your works. Brilliant stuff. Theat lady(blog) is emm.... a little bit nuts I'd say.
Ben
Yes they are. When you say blog, do you mean my website? Nuts good or Nuts Bonkers? :? :wink:
21QUEST
09-01-07, 11:01 AM
need2ride, I take it those are your works. Brilliant stuff. Theat lady(blog) is emm.... a little bit nuts I'd say.
Ben
Yes they are. When you say blog, do you mean my website? Nuts good or Nuts Bonkers? :? :wink:
....as they say if the cap fits :? :lol: j/k of course.
I meant nuts bonkers but was refering to the blog of the lady uslter posted :)
Are you able to do portraits from life sittings(animals) ? :P .
Ben
ArtyLady
09-01-07, 11:19 AM
need2ride, I take it those are your works. Brilliant stuff. Theat lady(blog) is emm.... a little bit nuts I'd say.
Ben
Yes they are. When you say blog, do you mean my website? Nuts good or Nuts Bonkers? :? :wink:
....as they say if the cap fits :? :lol: j/k of course.
I meant nuts bonkers but was refering to the blog of the lady uslter posted :)
Are you able to do portraits from life sittings(animals) ? :P .
Ben
Ah I get you! The cap probably does fit me anyway though! :wink: :lol:
I paint from photos - you get a far better likeness that way and it also means it can all be done by post.
Have a look at my website link below for info :)
UlsterSV
09-01-07, 12:03 PM
Theat lady(blog) is emm.... a little bit nuts I'd say.
Ben
So the ban on Pit Bulls isn't veiled discrimination by the oppressive Brit establishment against the down-trodden Catholics of Ulster? Damn! I was just about to round up a Prod posse and go comb the parks with pitch forks and machetes looking for evil Catholic dog owners :roll: :lol:
Here's a good vid showing what the Pits can do. I suppose what makes them good at fighting makes them good at pretty much everything else...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaeHmEMiBUc
Apophes
09-01-07, 12:04 PM
Don't ban the Breeds --Vid with some images which may upset but nothing you wouldn't see on an animal charity site I would think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0rDTBTLsfM&watch_response
Ben
Shame most people see it the other way
ok i have a bull terrier and yes he's got a big gob full of teeth and people cross the road to avoid him or is it the 20st me walking him, he's great with other dog except german shepard types as he was attacked as a pup by one, one thing i think he is is a good judge of people only shows his protective side when certain types approach. His best friend is our kids cat ( not mine ) she sleeps on his bed and cleans his ears for him.
so to my point i totaly agree dont blame woofie if woofie's owner is a git its not woofies fault
Davido your dog looks a big daft lad :)
That he is. He's pretty sharp when he wants to be, but hes mostly just a big mate who loves to play. It still annoys me when people cross the road to avoid him while wlaking though.
I hate videos like that one you posted. Not because of the message but because it reminds me of how badly hundreds of dogs are treated every day.
I just can't imagine going up to my dog and hurting him. There's some cruel people out there.
I'm a cat person rather than a dog person, mainly due to the fact it wouldn't be fair to have a dog but as a totally dog-ignorant person my take on all of this is that a dogs personality is based on the way the dog has been treated by the owner and by the general traits of that particular breed. Some dogs are more prone to fighting whilst others are prone to chase down rabbits. Whatever the breed and owner treatment, you don't leave small children with dogs, simple.
my little girl caught a cat in the garden and killed it with no real mallace or effort[/size]
I do however, have a problem with this statement. WTF?
21QUEST
13-01-07, 01:47 PM
CLICKY THINGY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vwMg35zABI)
Say Hello (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVKt27kbOyc&mode=related&search=)
Pleased To See You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cULzaF0kB8o&mode=related&search=)
That's all :)
Ben
socommk23
13-01-07, 02:12 PM
I'm a cat person rather than a dog person, mainly due to the fact it wouldn't be fair to have a dog but as a totally dog-ignorant person my take on all of this is that a dogs personality is based on the way the dog has been treated by the owner and by the general traits of that particular breed. Some dogs are more prone to fighting whilst others are prone to chase down rabbits. Whatever the breed and owner treatment, you don't leave small children with dogs, simple.
my little girl caught a cat in the garden and killed it with no real mallace or effort[/size]
I do however, have a problem with this statement. WTF?
she ran out and played with the cat as she would a dog! just so happens cats are more delicate!
instigator
13-01-07, 03:07 PM
she ran out and played with the cat as she would a dog! just so happens cats are more delicate!
My doberman, spike had a kill count of 0 cats much to his disappointment but it didn't stop him trying. Venture into his playground (backgarden) and feel his wrath. :lol: Take a dump on my lawn will you? "Spiiiiiiikkkkeeee".
:oops:
Apophes
13-01-07, 07:04 PM
CLICKY THINGY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vwMg35zABI)
Say Hello (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVKt27kbOyc&mode=related&search=)
Pleased To See You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cULzaF0kB8o&mode=related&search=)
That's all :)
Ben
nice one m8e l
oved the black and white pup in the last one you can tell it was thinking .... Hey B!tch your ears are mine
instigator
13-01-07, 07:29 PM
Ben, the two last videos put a huge smile on my face. Excellent. :lol: :lol:
socommk23
13-01-07, 10:02 PM
she ran out and played with the cat as she would a dog! just so happens cats are more delicate!
My doberman, spike had a kill count of 0 cats much to his disappointment but it didn't stop him trying. Venture into his playground (backgarden) and feel his wrath. :lol: Take a dump on my lawn will you? "Spiiiiiiikkkkeeee".
:oops:
i always wanted a doberman! soooooo gorgeous!
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