SV650Sport to GSXR 750

[21QUEST]

one thing that really hacks me off is when i read "the sv650 is a good beginner bike and is good to learn on until you gain experience and can progress to a bigger bike" not many people max there bikes out top speed and even fewer people ride there bike to its maximum potential. watch blue's track day video clips proof all there, nuff said;)

Well isn't that true? ;)

Appears empirical if you ask me. NO?.......going by how many people on the site end up changing to something else :p ;)

Myself, I think the SV rocks but I don't kid myself about what it is......you get me :D


Ben

[kwak zzr]

i got my sv1000s after my accident and i love it to bits but the 650s is a better day to day bike, on normal everyday roads i'm much faster and confident on a 650s.

[fizzwheel]

Myself, I think the SV rocks but I don't kid myself about what it is......you get me :D

Yep, I totally agree.

It does make a good starter bike, I'm convinced that I wouldnt enjoy my GSXR as much if I didnt have the experience that I gained on the SV. It taught me loads of stuff, but it wasnt intimidating to ride like maybe a SS600 would have been at that stage of my biking career. Plus it was cheap to run and insure and I built up my NCB to the point where I can insure my GSXR for reasonable money.

[kwak zzr]

Myself, I think the SV rocks but I don't kid myself about what it is......you get me :D

true but does anyone ever need anymore?

[21QUEST]

Well, yeah, but to play devil's advocate riding a GSXR thou to 75% would probably make you faster than someone riding an SV650 to 100%. And you're also a bit less likely to suddenly ask for 101%, as people trying to keep up on inferior bikes are wont to do. It's also easier to work a bike hard when you've got a bit more confidence in what it's about to do- take me, on my SV I'm still not going as fast as a really good rider would on a standard SV, but I'd be slower again on a standard one.

haha ain't that true :o :D

Funnily enough, this evening I was riding emm enthusiastically whilst behind a rider on an FJ1300 taday. God, it was hard work but equally rewarding when you are getting the mostest(within your ability of course) out of a bike, like I was having to do.

Yes, he was being an eejit so I thought "lets have some fun" :rolleyes: ;)


Ben

[kwak zzr]

the 650s is a rewarding bike to ride, i used to enjoy sliding the back wheel under braking in to a corner (which the 1000 wont do:()

[fizzwheel]

on normal everyday roads i'm much faster and confident on a 650s.

See I'm the opposite, I'm more confident, composed and relaxed on my GSXR.

[kwak zzr]

i used to equally ride my cbr6 quickly and confidently but it used to send me to sleep.:)

[Jelster]

and talking of never growing up,..............I bring you Jelster.

That medicine of your not that tasty then ?? :rolleyes:

[muffles]

buy what you like, if it looks nice and sounds nice and does what its supposed to then just enjoy it:rolleyes:

Sounds like buying a house to me :p why would you want the biggest and best house if you aren't gonna use it? :D

[Jelster]

Sounds like buying a house to me :p why would you want the biggest and best house if you aren't gonna use it? :D

Because you can make money on a house, we all know that you lose money on bikes.... (But that's another thread altogether).

[Kate]

Yep, I totally agree.

It does make a good starter bike, I'm convinced that I wouldnt enjoy my GSXR as much if I didnt have the experience that I gained on the SV. It taught me loads of stuff, but it wasnt intimidating to ride like maybe a SS600 would have been at that stage of my biking career. Plus it was cheap to run and insure and I built up my NCB to the point where I can insure my GSXR for reasonable money.
I'm exactly the same, well, except for the insuring my gixer for reasonable money :(

There is no way that I would have the confidence on the gixer that I have if I hadn't been on the SV first. The SV makes a great bike for a newbie for loads of reason.

See I'm the opposite, I'm more confident, composed and relaxed on my GSXR.
Yup! thats me too!

To get back to the original subject, I would suggest anyone who is fancying a change to get a test ride on a 600 or 750 gixer and see what you think. My take is that the gixer is fine as long as you have respect for it and don't expect it to be the same as the SV as it isn't. Most of the power appears later in the revs and if you aren't expecting it, when you hit the powerband it can come as a surprise.

There is a big difference between the SV and the 600, and slightly more to the 750. I have a 600 K6 and found that the two bikes don't compare. Just get a test ride and you'll enjoy it :)

[Alpinestarhero]

I dont think there would be much problem going from the SV to any bike - just exersice caution, since it'll be more powerful and better handling (so you might find yourself putting in to much effort and steering towards the inside when you dont really want to) and the brakes will be better. But really, if you can pass your test and ride an SV, then you can go from an SV to a gixer750 easily.

Just take your time to understand the new bike!

Matt

[gettin2dizzy]

for Crying out loud.

No crying out loud!

;)


Of course theres a step up from an SV to a gsxr! Hence the name super-sports! There's a step up from a golf gti to a ferrari, and one again to a zonda - but it doesn't take anything away from the golf :) (really irrelevant comparison- i know! :))
But you have your fun in different ways. Knowing you're really working an SV hard is a pleasure- yet riding some ss600s you need a track to work out as much. Ss600s are like a marvel of engineering that give you different thrills.

Like the irrelevant comparison above, throwing a gti around the roads giving all its got - is a hoot! yet completely different to driving a ferrari around. It depends what kind of person you are!

[muffles]

you can make money on a house
Not always!

you lose money on bikes
Not always!

But yeah, in the main, true. However I buy neither to make money, I buy it for the pleasure... :D

N.B. erm, not that I have bought a house yet - but it's one of the "discussions" I always have with people. I'll never buy a house on the basis that it will go up in price, I'll buy it on the basis that I like it as a house! :cool:

[kwak zzr]

i got my house for somewhere to live and to keep me dry when it rains.

[K]

Get a Fireblade instead. ;)

[Captain Nemo]

ooohhhhh,,,,,,,,now were into the honda vs suzuli debate.........mow itll get nasty..lol

[stuartyboy]

ooohhhhh,,,,,,,,now were into the honda vs suzuli debate.........mow itll get nasty..lol

Yeah - Honda's rule!:smt077

[Jelster]

Get a Fireblade instead. ;)

Most sensible statement within this entire thread.... But then I'm biased :D

[Beenz]

There does seem to be a lot of advice on changing to a and comparing an SV to a Gixer (not I do not say upgrading) from people who have not ridden a Gixer of any capacity. I have to agree with Fizz and Kate that I'm far more confident and comfortable on my bike than I was on the SV. As a day to day bike mine is arguabely overkill though. I cannot use all the power every day.

The fact is that they are different, you learn again thats all. When I first got mine I'm sure I was slower than I was on my SV as I was learning again. Test em and make your own mind up.

[Toypop]

exactly!=D> i cant see what everyones on about moving up the ladder to a ss1000? your not buying a house you know? buy what you like, if it looks nice and sounds nice and does what its supposed to then just enjoy it:rolleyes: most ppl buy the ss1000 eventually but cant ride it properly anyway.

Yes but this thread is about someone wanting to move from an SV650 to a GSXR750.

My question has to be - what the hell is wrong with the SS600? That question jumped out of the screen at me. Why does the poster want to skip the SS600 and go straight to the 750?

He obviously feels that the SS600 has certain negative characteristics that don't appeal to him and that the 750 isn't afflicted with those problems.

What I am saying is that no this is wrong. The 750 may partially solve the negative characteristics of an SS600 e.g. no guts and buzzy but it is still too similar. The 1000 completely eliminates those negative characteristics. Given that I got my 1000 for the same price as I was going to pay for the 750 I am saying hey why don't you test ride a 1000.

Not saying that everyone should aim to upgrade to a 1000 eventually. If the guy had titled the thread SV650Sport to GSXR600 I wouldn't have posted anything.

I guarantee that what ever he claims to dislike about the SS600 he will eventually dislike about the 750. Sounds to me like he wants a litre twin but if that won't do get a litre IL4.

[fizzwheel]

What I am saying is that no this is wrong. The 750 may partially solve the negative characteristics of an SS600 e.g. no guts and buzzy but it is still too similar. The 1000 completely eliminates those negative characteristics. Given that I got my 1000 for the same price as I was going to pay for the 750 I am saying hey why don't you test ride a 1000.

I dont agree, I've ridden a 600 and a 750, I own a 750, I dont find it buzzy at all, yes it works better a higher RPM, but you can ride it down lower in the rev range between 5000rpm and 7000rpm and its lovely and relaxed and torquey to do so, no need at all to keep stiring the gearbox.

I also wouldnt describe it being buzzy as a negative either, I like it that you have to ride the bike and use all the RPM available to get the most from it, I see it as a challenge to be in the right gear at the right time and to master the power delivery.

I've not ridden a thou so I cant compare to that though.

I do take your point about getting a 1000 for the same price as a 750, but then I did something similar and got a 750 for the price of a 600. Just by shopping around and not buying that years latest model.

Its horses for courses isnt it... I'm not saying either bike is better, just I've found a bike I really gel with just like you seem to have.

I think for me, the jump from a SV to a litre sports bike would have been to bike, whereas in my head the jump from SV to 750 was a less intimidating, but thats just me.

I personally didnt feel that the jump from SV to SS600 was big enough and I'm convinced I'd have got bored with a 600 in a few months, whereas I've had my 750 well over a year and I wouldnt dream of changing it.

Just curious how long did you spend on a 750, did you take it for a good long test ride or was it a short one ?

[Toypop]

I personally would like more low down grunt on the IL4 1000...

Says it all really.

Haven't had the chance to try a 1000 V-Twin sports bike. Wasn't struck on the build quality of the RSV having seen a couple that were relatively new and falling apart and the other well known brand is too expensive. Also the Aprilia was no match for some of the prices you could get on the Jap bikes.

I think I will test tide a V-Twin thou before I buy another IL4 thou. Just to see what it is like and whether I miss the top end or rather if the trade off in top end is worth it.

[kwak zzr]

I personally would like more low down grunt on the IL4 1000...

Says it all really.

Haven't had the chance to try a 1000 V-Twin sports bike. Wasn't struck on the build quality of the RSV having seen a couple that were relatively new and falling apart and the other well known brand is too expensive. Also the Aprilia was no match for some of the prices you could get on the Jap bikes.

I think I will test tide a V-Twin thou before I buy another IL4 thou. Just to see what it is like and whether I miss the top end or rather if the trade off in top end is worth it.

Well thats thrown the cat amongst the pigeons with all you IL4 lover's init;)
Toypop ride an honda sp2, great build quality, stomping engine but poor tank range.

[fizzwheel]

Well thats thrown the cat amongst the pigeons with all you IL4 lover's init;)
Toypop ride an honda sp2, great build quality, stomping engine but poor tank range.

Nah, he wants an MT-01 or a VMax, now thats low down grunt...

[rob13]

Get a Tuono - looks better and sounds ****ing amazing!

[Stu]

ooohhhhh,,,,,,,,now were into the honda vs suzuli debate.........mow itll get nasty..lol
Thought she meant instead of a house :smt102

[kwak zzr]

them mt01's look great but dont ride as well as they look apparently? anyone ridden one?

[Beenz]

Right, there's nothing wrong with the gixer 6 OK, It has a cracking chassis, spenders, brakes and a wonderful engine and is extemely usuable on the road. OK so the 750 has more midrange punch with the thou even more so. There are other factors to consider:

- Insurance
- MPG
- Tyres, my thou eats them, mine devours a rear in 2.5 - 3K (although I never got more that 4K on my SV, riding style I guess). The smoother power delivery of the six is a massive plus here.


I've said it before and I'll say it again, test em all and decide which is best for you, they all handle similarly. Engine characteristics aside, they all ride similar on the road.

[21QUEST]

Well thats thrown the cat amongst the pigeons with all you IL4 lover's init;)
Toypop ride an honda sp2, great build quality, stomping engine but poor tank range.

.....and don't forget to get yourself a personal masseuse as well. She'll be needed after every ride.

Once got offered a ride on an SP2, sat on it and said "appreciated but no thanks" :confused: :D


Ben

[kwak zzr]

Why didnt you have a go ben?