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Has anyone made this move?
The lady and I have been considering moving house. However the decision has been made to stay put as an equal house in an equally nice area just 30 miles further south is a considerable amount.
So now I have some spare cash, she is opting to purchase a Mini Cooper D and I'm seriously considering a new Matt/Black GSXR750.
Anybody made this move and regretted it or made the move and never looked back.
Granted I'm yet to try a 750 as they didnt have a demonstrator available. The 600 seemed very small and I was unsure on the power delivery.
Opinions welcome.......
I test rode one a few months back and I loved it to bits. Had I not been on the verge of purchasing a gaff I would have almost certainly added it to my garage.
It's quick! Handles great, sounds great; even with the stock can and looks the mutts nuts in black.
Go on you know you want too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The 600 seemed very small ....
I believe the 750 is the exact same size.
What size are you?
I believe Fizz is very happy.
Are you keeping the SV?
jamessunhill
30-07-07, 09:46 AM
A mate of mine has a pair of these (one carb and one FI) Lucky Git!!=P~
He's refused so far to let me ride one as he says I wouldn't want to get back on the SV.:p
I'm just over 6ft and just under 14st.
I'm considering keeping the SV to commute on as I bought it new for cash so it does not owe me anything as such as theirs no fianance etc. I also know its complete history and know its been looked after regardless of cost hence reliable, but at the same time it would be 3k off the price of the GSXR. Plus I can only get one bike and a car in the garage at the same time. Two bikes and a car wouldnt happen and the missus wants her new car garaged.
:confused:
I think I need to get myself on a 750 demonstrator, my main concern with the 600 was that I was expecting a MASSIVE difference in performance, and was left dissapointed
fizzwheel
30-07-07, 10:10 AM
I believe Fizz is very happy
That I am
I went from a K1 Curvey SVS to a K5 GSXR-750
I wouldnt go back. Its more comfortable, brakes, suspension etc work better, it pulls better, harder and it doesnt run out of puff.
Its actually easier to ride once you get used to the different engine characteristics, its much smoother power delivery wise at low RPM's and the clutch is lighter. The one thing I had to work on was my throttle control, the throttle is very sensitive, also it rev's up much much faster than the SV does. So a small twitch at the wrong moment can send you hairing off down the road quickly if you're not ready for it.
How long have you been riding, you might be wiser keeping the SV a bit longer if you are a new rider and building up some more experience and also some no claims as mines insurance group 17.
If I could offer a little advice which was given to me and helped. When you do get your test ride, just make sure that you get well up into the revs 9,000+ cos this is where the GSXR make the majority of it's power. You really do need to make them sing/scream to get into the power bands.
I'm sure you already know this but it's worth making a mental note when testing the GSXR to explore the full rev range. Cos they rev higher it's really tempting to change gear early based on the noise from the engine as you are used to the noise from the SV's twin motor. It's really worth keeping an eye on the rev counter and using the extra 4-5,000 rpm you have over the SV's rev range.
It's just a tip that I hope you find useful.
fizzwheel
30-07-07, 10:14 AM
Swiss is right, particulary the 600 needs more revs to get the best out of it, the 750 isnt as bad for this as it has more power lower down its RPM range.
I rode a K6 600 last year its definately a lot faster than a SV is.
ASM-Forever
30-07-07, 10:17 AM
I think I need to get myself on a 750 demonstrator, my main concern with the 600 was that I was expecting a MASSIVE difference in performance, and was left dissapointed
I've ridden both and there is a massive difference in performance between a gixer and the SV....you just need to unleash the top end RPM.
John 675
30-07-07, 10:21 AM
i was considering the same thing mate but i am propper scared of taking a demo 750 out because i think i will prolly bin it and it scares me, lol, i did the same with the SV i just went and purchased it and then binned it lol, :D
I perhaps didnt give the 600 the test it deserved then :cool: It only had 150 miles on it and I was told to take it easy.
stuartyboy
30-07-07, 10:54 AM
I'm just over 6ft and just under 14st.
Mate...I'm 6 foot 1 and 13 stone 3. If you're like me then you'll hate it. It looked like I was riding a mini moto it was so small. The seat height is unbelievably low and your knees stick out without trying. If it wasn't for the size I would have had one ages ago.
fizzwheel
30-07-07, 10:56 AM
I'm just over 6ft and just under 14st.
I'm a similar height and weight, I've got much more room on my K5. But The K6 I rode last year wasnt that small that I couldnt ride it.
You might be better off with a K4/k5 as they are a physically bigger bike and you'lll have more room.
jamessunhill
30-07-07, 10:57 AM
My friend (the one with 2 GSXR 750's) is 6' 2" and 16 stone and he loves them.
I suppose it depends on what shape you are and how you feel comfortable.
Edit: Just read Fizz's post. His bikes are a few years old and so would be the roomier old design.
hmmm all good things to consider, cheers guys
My only concern with getting an older bike is I wont know how its been treated and rode. One issue I have always had is that nearlly every vehicle I have ever owned second hand has been a dog, even ones that have been owned by supposed enthusiast.
I thought it must have been the way I drove but since only havning new car etc and looked after them from the start I have never had a problem *touches wood again*
muffles
30-07-07, 11:48 AM
I perhaps didnt give the 600 the test it deserved then :cool: It only had 150 miles on it and I was told to take it easy.
To be honest that isn't a very good bike as a demonstrator then :D unless they want to use it to persuade you onto a 750/1000! :p
I did think that myself, you would think a member of staff would be given it for the weekend to run it in :confused:
Flamin_Squirrel
30-07-07, 11:55 AM
Either you wern't revving the 600 enough for it to make you think it was alot faster than the SV, or, you become acustomed to the increase in power quickly.
If the former, you'll enjoy the 600 (let alone the 750) as there really is alot more power than the SV.
If the latter, then the 750 isn't going to feel an awful lot faster than the 600 imo. There's a much bigger difference in outright performance between the 750 and the 1000 than between the 600 and the 750.
Zombie Jesus
30-07-07, 11:57 AM
I went from a sv650 to a 750K6/7 4 months ago and agree with the previous comments.
The biggest difference I found was to get the most out of the bike you'd have to keep the revs up and the gearing low ie. 50+ in first, 80+ in second 110 in third etc.
A m8 who comes riding with us has a 04 750 size wise its def bigger than the sv mines not lowered and at 5-8 i can touch the floor flat, on th gsxr750 i was on tip toes and at :laughat:13+ stones (not a fatty 13+ stones lol) the gsxr didnt dip or drop with the weight and it was a bog standard bike:o, of which if i were looking for a replacement it wud d ef be the 1 to go for:cool:
I was going to buy a new Gixxer 750 earlier this year.
In the end I found by shopping around that you can get litre bikes for the same money.
That way you get more room/comfort (still SVS weight) and no concerns about bottom end power coming from a V-Twin.
Although i think i have the experience to move upto a SS600/750 I think a litre bike is another big step up.
I know of at least 3 people who got rid of litre bikes for 600's as the 1000's they had although amazing were for them relatively unusable on the road, and i have heard a few people saying it.
I did think that myself, you would think a member of staff would be given it for the weekend to run it in :confused:
I think that is unrealistically expensive IMO.
If a bike shop has about 6 different demonstraters at any one time or more that's 600 miles each on them all, plus first service before anyone uses them?
I think that is unrealistically expensive IMO.
If a bike shop has about 6 different demonstraters at any one time or more that's 600 miles each on them all, plus first service before anyone uses them?
Yup, thats why ex-demonstrators can be bought cheaply. tbh, any bike I test ride I'm certainly not gentle, I'm there to test the bike to see if I want to buy one.
My 2ps worth is that if you made the step from an SV to a gixer 750 you wouldn't look back. My 600 is plenty good enough for me and you really can't compare the two bikes, they are in different leagues really. I know quite a few people who have got a gixer thou only to switch to a 750 as you just can't use all the power of a thou on the road and the 600/750 are much more fun.
kwak zzr
30-07-07, 02:21 PM
Although i think i have the experience to move upto a SS600/750 I think a litre bike is another big step up.
I know of at least 3 people who got rid of litre bikes for 600's as the 1000's they had although amazing were for them relatively unusable on the road, and i have heard a few people saying it.
giving my thou a thrashing(which is how i ride) has nearly put me thought a hedge a few times and ive had back end step out on my twice, i'm seriously considering going back to a 650s they are what i call fun! you can ride hard everywhere and throw them where you like.
Yup, thats why ex-demonstrators can be bought cheaply. .
Don't understand.
They are cheap because everyone thrashes them before they were properly run in - so you shouldn't touch them with a barge pole?
OR some guy in the shop puts 600 miiles on them in a weekend so they appear to have a high mileage.
(I suspect you mean the former)
stuartyboy
30-07-07, 05:26 PM
My 2ps worth is that if you made the step from an SV to a gixer 750 you wouldn't look back. Not in my case. Just far too small. Didn't you say a while back that you couldn't touch the floor on your SV but you could with the Gixxer.
Although i think i have the experience to move upto a SS600/750 I think a litre bike is another big step up.
I know of at least 3 people who got rid of litre bikes for 600's as the 1000's they had although amazing were for them relatively unusable on the road, and i have heard a few people saying it.
Personally I found the step from an SV650S to an SS600 was the most massive by a long way!
However there wasn't really any gap from an SS600 to a 1000. I learned a lot going to the SS600 but very little moving from that to the 1000.
The reason being that the 600 is more than capable of looping itself so you have to learn to control the throttle properly. The 1000 is exactly the same as the 600 but it can do the bad stuff at higher speeds and lower revs. If you can handle the 600 then the 1000 just uses the same skills albeit you have to use those skills at 120mph as opposed to 70mph.
I don't know where the 750 fits in but again I'd imagine it was the same deal.
Flamin_Squirrel
30-07-07, 07:20 PM
Personally I found the step from an SV650S to an SS600 was the most massive by a long way!
However there wasn't really any gap from an SS600 to a 1000. I learned a lot going to the SS600 but very little moving from that to the 1000.
The reason being that the 600 is more than capable of looping itself so you have to learn to control the throttle properly. The 1000 is exactly the same as the 600 but it can do the bad stuff at higher speeds and lower revs. If you can handle the 600 then the 1000 just uses the same skills albeit you have to use those skills at 120mph as opposed to 70mph.
I don't know where the 750 fits in but again I'd imagine it was the same deal.
If you think there's little difference between the 600 and the 1000 then you ride your 10R like a sissy.
No I don't ride like a shandy drinking poof who sells his 1000 and buys a 600 due to a short fall in the cajones department! These people always make out that the bikes are "too hardcore" to try and save a bit of self-respect. This annoys me because their BS puts off people like the original poster who would be far better off with one.
The whole "sissy" attitude thing is typical of the problem here. You don't have to ride it like a goon to get your moneys worth. The bike is not uncontrollable; far from it. It has a throttle and very manageable power and doesn't have to be red lined everywhere. If it is nearly putting you in the hedge then the problem is with the rider and they probably stand just as much chance of eating the scenery on a 125.
The point of the 1000 is that you want the power of the 600/750 but with it delivered at lower revs similar to your V-Twin. Ride it sensibly and that's what you have. Everyone says the 750 is a screamer like the 600 rather than a grunty bike like the 1000 so you have to ask yourself what you want. Just ignore the scaremongers, test ride a thou and find out for yourself.
I agree with the comments about the gixxer 600 being a big step from the SV. It's not just the power increase, to me it just feels more stable and easier to use. I am not a big speeder, value my licence too much, so where I notice the difference most is in cornering confidence and I am much faster through corners on the gixxer than I was on the SV. For this reason alone I am so pleased I got it. I haven't tried the 750 (couldn't insure it yet) but I imagine it would be 'the same', just gruntier.
The 750 is the same size though - I find it perfect (5"8' and 11.5 stone), my knees ache a bit after a couple of hours in the saddle, to be honest I really don't think I'd be comfortable if I was over 6 foot, though obviously this is just speculation on my part!
Cheers,
Matt
Flamin_Squirrel
30-07-07, 09:34 PM
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Claiming that anyone lacks balls because they don't want a 1000 is laughable coming from someone who's scared of corners.
Capacity aside, the gixer is a completely different animal, its a more focussed machine, the IL4 is much smoother but requires a tad more revs to get the best out of it. The suspension is better for spirited riding as are the brakes. All works very well with a fantastic chassis.
OK, the capacity bit. The 600 is a serious piece of kit, very useable on the road, the current 750 is the same size but pulls harder from lower down. The thou just pulls from tickover to redline with a delivery like a huge elastic band. All are about the same size and weight. You may not be able to use all the power in every gear with any of them but you will certainly appreciate them. All three are exellent road bikes. You do have to respect the throttle more on the daddy bike though.
Take em out, try them and make your own choice.
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Good god you talk a lot of crap Toypop! Even for you, this is quite special!
Not in my case. Just far too small. Didn't you say a while back that you couldn't touch the floor on your SV but you could with the Gixxer.
The K6 onwards are littler bikes however, my other half who is 6'3" tall rides my gixer every now and again and has a laugh.
Kamakazy went from a pointy K5 to a K3 GSXR 1000 and is still giggling, unless insanity has finally kicked in? :)
Having ridden the SV but now also have a 1000 (K2) the bike feels more solid/robust, could even say safer, easy to flick about, good engine braking just like the SV.
Steve H
31-07-07, 08:25 AM
Is it just me, or has this post degenerated into a 'my dicks bigger and better than your ****'? :confused:
i agree with some of the stuff toypop says. i ride a z1000 (ok, not as mental as a ss1000) and i find it really easy to ride because like the sv it has plenty of low down torque so i don't have to be as skillful with my gear selection.
Flamin_Squirrel
31-07-07, 08:30 AM
i agree with some of the stuff toypop says. i ride a z1000 (ok, not as mental as a ss1000) and i find it really easy to ride because like the sv it has plenty of low down torque so i don't have to be as skillful with my gear selection.
The Z is a good 60% down on power compared to a 10R, so you can't compare.
The Z is a good 60% down on power compared to a 10R, so you can't compare.
i wasn't trying to compare my zed with a tp's bike. i barely use any of the power of the zed, the point that i was trying to make was that having a bigger engine can make riding easier by having the lower down torque that some ss600s lack.
Flamin_Squirrel
31-07-07, 08:59 AM
i wasn't trying to compare my zed with a tp's bike. i barely use any of the power of the zed, the point that i was trying to make was that having a bigger engine can make riding easier by having the lower down torque that some ss600s lack.
Agreed - but the rest of what he said was rubbish ;)
Agreed - but the rest of what he said was rubbish ;)
:smt023
Steve H
31-07-07, 09:38 AM
Morning all.
Having gone from an SV to a 600cc sportsbike, I found there was a noticeable 'jump'. The biggest thing was the fact that I felt like I was in the starship enterprise everytime I cracked the throttle open hard. Next to that obviously the brakes, suspension etc were far superior.
I would personally recommend going to a sports 600 between an SV and any larger capacity bike to give yourself an opportunity to get used to the phenomenal performance on proper full fat sportsbikes. Get some experience and go up the ladder, you'll be glad you did.
I disagree that there is the extent of 'difference' that you refer to between a ss600 and the SV. Yes, there is a difference in all departments, but not great enough for 'everyone' to sell there budget bikes and splash out for a supersport, like you seem to be suggesting.
Steve H
31-07-07, 10:00 AM
I think you have misread my post, what I was saying is that I "would personally recommend going to a sports 600 between an SV and any larger capacity bike to give yourself an opportunity to get used to the phenomenal performance on proper full fat sportsbikes. Get some experience and go up the ladder, you'll be glad you did."
I don't think making a jump from an SV with 70bhp to a 750 with 140bhp+ is a great move. Going from 70bhp to 100ish-bhp in the mean time, is.
I never suggested that everyone on an SV should flog it for a sports 600.
I did not misread your post, and tend to agree with your comments on that point. You did however indicate that there is a great difference even between a ss6 and the SV. It seems that a lot of people on this forum are making the change to these bikes and then shouting about how much better they are than the SV (not accusing you of this RDD!)
My point is that yes, they are, to an extent. But I do not feel that an SV
is ALWAYS a stepping stone to a SS6, when a lot of people will change, before getting anywhere near an SVs potential. Just because of an image thing.
fizzwheel
31-07-07, 10:01 AM
I don't think making a jump from an SV with 70bhp to a 750 with 140bhp+ is a great move. Going from 70bhp to 100ish-bhp in the mean time, is.
I did...
But I'd had 2 years of all weather every day riding experience of the SV first.
It took me about a month to get comfortable on the 750, but I reckon then another 6 months before I really gelled with it, my biggest learning curve was learning to control the throttle properly as its much more sensitive.
Having then ridden a 600 after about 9 months of 750 ownership, I'm glad I didnt get a GSXR-600, it felt really tame in comparision and for me, there just didnt feel enough of a challenge in riding the 600.
I'm no riding god, I just feel with the 750 you've got more bike to learn how to use as you get a better rider whereas the 600 I think for me anyway I'd have got bored of it. But what works for me doesnt work for everybody. I think the 750 makes a better bike for touring / longer trips on as you can ride it all day in 6th gear and its quite lazy / relaxing to do so.
I dont know why but I just didnt want a thou, I had it in my head it would be intimidating due to its monster power, and I got a good deal on my 750 and perhaps I like to be a little different, as IMHo you still dont see that many about. Its like a secret that only a few people know about and when you see another 750 rider theres that shared knowledge of what it is you ride that not everybody is aware of. If that makes sense.
Anyway RTOD, I'm sure you know all this already ;)
I think Beenz makes the best point ages back, test ride a 600, 750 and a thou if you can and then make your own mind up.
Flamin_Squirrel
31-07-07, 10:24 AM
I have to say, I didn't think the 750 felt that much more powerful up the top end than my 6R. That might be because I test rode the 750 straight after the 1000 though.
The extra grunt the 750 gives you over the buzzy 6 is one of the main reasons I'd like to get one, as it makes riding in town more pleasant I reckon. Loved the 1000, but at the same time I felt guilty for using it on the road - which is why I wouldn't get one.
Jelster
31-07-07, 10:31 AM
Personally I would say that the 750 is the better bike for the road. Shame Honda don't do a CBR750RR :rolleyes:
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ASM-Forever
31-07-07, 10:33 AM
I did not misread your post, and tend to agree with your comments on that point. You did however indicate that there is a great difference even between a ss6 and the SV. It seems that a lot of people on this forum are making the change to these bikes and then shouting about how much better they are than the SV (not accusing you of this RDD!)
My point is that yes, they are, to an extent. But I do not feel that an SV
is ALWAYS a stepping stone to a SS6, when a lot of people will change, before getting anywhere near an SVs potential. Just because of an image thing.
To be perfectly honest there is a massive difference between the SV and a SS6. Not only speed/performance wise but also in brakes/suspension. Also specific to myself, i find the R6 more comfortable than my SV and i much prefer the looks. Overall they are a far better bike...but thats why they cost a few grand more!
I agree that the SV does not have to be a stepping stone to a larger bike, but in the same breath it quite often is.
I originally planned to upgrade after i had owned my SV for a year, but as it was written off and i got a decent payout i decided why wait.
gettin2dizzy
31-07-07, 10:42 AM
I hope honda bring out an 800 V4!
So...we're going to get together with a 600, 750 and thou and let me ride them and come to a desicion :) sounds like a plan!
Steve H
31-07-07, 10:53 AM
To be perfectly honest there is a massive difference between the SV and a SS6. Not only speed/performance wise but also in brakes/suspension. Also specific to myself, i find the R6 more comfortable than my SV and i much prefer the looks. Overall they are a far better bike...but thats why they cost a few grand more!
I agree that the SV does not have to be a stepping stone to a larger bike, but in the same breath it quite often is.
I originally planned to upgrade after i had owned my SV for a year, but as it was written off and i got a decent payout i decided why wait.
Fine, but that is your opinion. I used to own a ss6 and recently test rode the new R6. I do not agree that there is a massive benefit to be had from the outlay of going from SV to ss6 so soon after getting an SV.
Seriously, if you are that insistant to get a GSXR et al., You may as well buy one from the start. But hey, thats just my opinion.
I think you have to distinguish between massive "benefit" and massive "difference"!
There is not really any "benefit" from selling an SV to get an SS600/750/1000 in that they both get from A to B but one costs a lot more.
If you want more performance then there is a massive difference from the SV to a 600. That difference is far more shocking than the step from SS600 to 1000.
Not sure why someone said that I couldn't corner? I have never said that? I just spent £200 replacing unworn tyres with a stickier set so I could corner even better. As for those that knock the larger capacity bikes. Why don't they give us their "good" excuse as to why they went back from a 1000 to a 600 assuming they ever had one and didn't just go for a quick test ride.
If you want V-Twin low down power/grunt from an IL4 so that you may enjoy the lazy style then I'd suggest you probably need a Thou as opposed to the 750. If they are the same price then why not.
Flamin_Squirrel
31-07-07, 01:28 PM
As for those that knock the larger capacity bikes. Why don't they give us their "good" excuse as to why they went back from a 1000 to a 600 assuming they ever had one and didn't just go for a quick test ride.
Don't seem to remember anyone knocking them, just idiots like you who can't seem to understand that people want a bike they can use more of.
John 675
31-07-07, 01:39 PM
From what im reading from the thread am i right to believe that the 600 - 750 - 1000 Gixers are basically easy to get on with aslong as you take your time with it and learn if you have a couple of years riding under your belt? i know some ducatis can be a handfull to even expierenced riders...
but like mr paterson i will be updating to a Gixxer for my next bike, it will be a 750 for sure, but it just scares me to death that i will be in over my head? like i said before i dont want to bin a test ride machine lol,
looking for a little reassurance, basicly im wussing out and im scared of it lol,
:p
fizzwheel
31-07-07, 01:44 PM
IMHO if you take it steady in the first few weeks and get used to the bike and dont ride it with the throttle pinned everywhere like you might do an SV, then yes you should be fine. But you have to bear in mind its easy to get carried away and go into a corner 20 - 30mph faster or more if you're not paying attention, which is going to end in tears.
I find my 750 surprising docile below 6000rpm, its really easy to ride more so than my SV is, but once you go passed 6000rpm the character of the bike changes dramactically.
If you have some respect for the extra BHP, and some self restraint then you'll get on fine with it.
But you'll IMHO want to build some experience and also some no claims bonus before you do get one. Also if you ride it like you're afraid of it, you'll never get on well with anybike, as you wont be relaxed etc In that respect its no different than any bike.
Half of the weekend warriors you see wobbling around corners, its because IMHO they're afraid of the bike and to scared to open the throttle mid corner and fling the bike out of bends etc etc.
Steve H
31-07-07, 01:49 PM
[quote=Toypop;1250336]I think you have to distinguish between massive "benefit" and massive "difference"!
If you want more performance then there is a massive difference from the SV to a 600.
Is there BO**OCKS?!
fizzwheel
31-07-07, 01:53 PM
[quote=Toypop;1250336]I think you have to distinguish between massive "benefit" and massive "difference"!
If you want more performance then there is a massive difference from the SV to a 600.
Is there BO**OCKS?!
Thats a helpful debating style you've got there,
Everybody - Perhaps we could lay off the swearing and calling each other idiots and stick to the point of the thread ?
Actually Steve, I believe he's got a point, there is a difference between the SV and 600's it just depends which 600 you're refering to.
Between an old school 600SS and the SV probably less so, Between an SV and a Blandit, not much, Between a SV and for example a K6 GSXR 600 which I've got some of experience of, theres a huge difference once the GSXR gets into its stride.
I seem to remember having this discussion with you a while back and IIRC you said you were basing your opinon on the older crop of 600SS bikes which you had experience of, not the latest generation of bikes.
Jelster
31-07-07, 01:56 PM
Not sure why someone said that I couldn't corner? .....
That was Mr Squirrel. Don't take it personally, as you are having a "robust debate" perhaps he got you confused with me.
I can't do corners, me....
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Steve H
31-07-07, 02:12 PM
[quote=fizzwheel;1250372][quote=Steve H;1250367]
Thats a helpful debating style you've got there,
Everybody - Perhaps we could lay off the swearing and calling each other idiots and stick to the point of the thread ?
Actually Steve, I believe he's got a point, there is a difference between the SV and 600's it just depends which 600 you're refering to.
Between an old school 600SS and the SV probably less so, Between an SV and a Blandit, not much, Between a SV and for example a K6 GSXR 600 which I've got some of experience of, theres a huge difference once the GSXR gets into its stride.
I seem to remember having this discussion with you a while back and IIRC you said you were basing your opinon on the older crop of 600SS bikes which you had experience of, not the latest generation of bikes.
The reason I am swearing is due to the fact that I disagree strongly with these statements. People on here recently are making out that the difference is like the starship enterprise vs a sopwith camel! This is utter rubbish.
And yes, I used to own a 2000 ZX6R but recently had a lenghty test ride on a new R6. My comments stand.
Sorry I meant a difference between an SV and an SS600. Obviously a Fazer 600 or something isn't massively quicker! The SV to SS600 step is a case of "OMFG!!!" the first time you red line it on full throttle! Mine was the relatively recent 636.
But no in reply to someone else you would NOT be in over your head. It is sad that people are scared of buying bikes like that because of others that try to talk up how dangerous their bikes are to make themselves look big or the scaremongers that haven't got the guts to try it anyway.
A Gixxer 1000 would be as docile and easy to ride as a 600 or 750. They are only dangerous if you deliberately ride them dangerously.
My whole line here is based on the fact that I was looking at a budget of £7000 to buy a new Gixxer 750 and was able to get a pre-reg 1000 for £6999. I am very glad I did that because if I had got the 750 I know I'd be wanting more low down grunt. Dont take a big depreciation hit on a new 750 if you will only end up wanting to sell or or actually sell it for a 1000. Have a test ride and see how easy and lazy they are to ride.
Steve H
31-07-07, 02:21 PM
[quote=Toypop;1250391]Sorry I meant a difference between an SV and an SS600. Obviously a Fazer 600 or something isn't massively quicker! The SV to SS600 step is a case of "OMFG!!!" the first time you red line it on full throttle! Mine was the relatively recent 636.
I AM also referring to SV vs ss600. :smt045
Steve H
31-07-07, 02:22 PM
:^o
OK. Just trying to get the point across. ;)
fizzwheel
31-07-07, 02:23 PM
The reason I am swearing is due to the fact that I disagree strongly with these statements. People on here recently are making out that the difference is like the starship enterprise vs a sopwith camel! This is utter rubbish.
And yes, I used to own a 2000 ZX6R but recently had a lenghty test ride on a new R6. My comments stand.
Yes but you dont need to resort to swearing to make your point though do you, its not helpful...
John 675
31-07-07, 02:42 PM
Yes but you dont need to resort to swearing to make your point though do you, its not helpful...
second that, if its a debate then it should be kept as one, if its an argument you should swap phone numbers lol,
Cheers for the info too fizz, i think i should brave a test ride and see how i go, but maybe more time with the SV will help me to get my confidence up, i guess if i get more exp under my belt with the SV it will prepare me more on a SS600, :)
Its not what you got, its how you ride it. End off.
Doesnt matter if you have a Turbonutterbusazxr1thouixxer if you cant ride it you cant ride it.
Steve H
31-07-07, 02:46 PM
Yes but you dont need to resort to swearing to make your point though do you, its not helpful...
Why, is that banned like smoking? Sorry Dad. ;)
Steve H
31-07-07, 02:46 PM
Its not what you got, its how you ride it. End off.
Doesnt matter if you have a Turbonutterbusazxr1thouixxer if you cant ride it you cant ride it.
:winner:
Steve H
31-07-07, 02:48 PM
second that, if its a debate then it should be kept as one, if its an argument you should swap phone numbers lol,
Cheers for the info too fizz, i think i should brave a test ride and see how i go, but maybe more time with the SV will help me to get my confidence up, i guess if i get more exp under my belt with the SV it will prepare me more on a SS600, :)
Oh yeah, the Starship Enterprise of bikes!
Be afraid, be very afraid. :rolleyes:
John 675
31-07-07, 02:54 PM
Oh yeah, the Starship Enterprise of bikes!
Be afraid, be very afraid. :rolleyes:
now your just been plain rude mate, and i think your pushing your opinions a little to hard. your entitled to your own opinion but ive been riding my SV for little under a year,
To me a SS600+ is a big step... maybe not to you but if you have nothing to say that isnt helpfull.. then dont quote me.
fizzwheel
31-07-07, 03:02 PM
Why, is that banned like smoking? Sorry Dad. ;)
Well actually yes, swearing is something that as mods we've asked you guys not to use as it doesnt work within our U rating
Healthy debate and discussion is fine, hurling personal insults about and swearing isnt.
This isnt a kids playground, we're all adults and I'm of the opinion that theres ways and means to make your point without resulting to foul language and personal insults.
Steve H
31-07-07, 03:04 PM
[quote=lylej;1250432]now your just been plain rude mate, and i think your pushing your opinions a little to hard. your entitled to your own opinion but ive been riding my SV for little under a year,
To me a SS600+ is a big step... maybe not to you but if you have nothing to say that isnt helpfull.. then dont quote me.[/quote
You are missing the point here.
It seems like you are the prime example of my point.
ie. You have been led to believe that a ss600 is some kind of firebreathing
dragon that will get you into trouble if you do not have at least 5 years experience.
This is not true. If you really must have the latest ss600, thats up to you,
my point is that for the extra outlay in costs and insurance, you should make your own mind up as to how much 'better' they are than a budget bike.
That is my opinion, and you are entitled to it. ;)
Steve H
31-07-07, 03:06 PM
Well actually yes, swearing is something that as mods we've asked you guys not to use as it doesnt work within our U rating
Healthy debate and discussion is fine, hurling personal insults about and swearing isnt.
This isnt a kids playground, we're all adults and I'm of the opinion that theres ways and means to make your point without resulting to foul language and personal insults.
Now that wasn't patronising was it?
As to being grown ups, I have my doubts sometimes.
Now that wasn't patronising was it?
As to being grown ups, I have my doubts sometimes.
Fizzwheel is allowed to be patronising, he's a Super Moderator
Steve H
31-07-07, 03:12 PM
Fizzwheel is allowed to be patronising, he's a Super Moderator
Well he should get a life then. ;)
Whoops, don't want to upset the applecart again. :smt077
Hey, lighten up everyone. Anyone would think this is a New Labour, politically
correct think tank forum!!
fizzwheel
31-07-07, 03:18 PM
Whoops, don't want to upset the applecart again. :smt077
To late, I dont appreciate being told to get a life.
I never meant for my post to come across as patronising, if you took it that way then apologies.
But your response above has just seriously annoyed me...
Steve H
31-07-07, 03:22 PM
To late, I dont appreciate being told to get a life.
I never meant for my post to come across as patronising, if you took it that way then apologies.
But your response above has just seriously annoyed me...
And................?
John 675
31-07-07, 03:25 PM
And................?
what was this thread about again? :confused:
Steve H
31-07-07, 03:27 PM
what was this thread about again? :confused:
Ask Fizzwheel.
I think Steve H is a bit like Pete Doherty. Most people think he's totally pointless, but he is amusing to watch.
Jelster
31-07-07, 03:32 PM
I think Steve H is a bit like Pete Doherty. Most people think he's totally pointless, but he is amusing to watch.
The first bit's right, but I don't like listening/watching to Doherty either....
John 675
31-07-07, 03:35 PM
The first bit's right, but I don't like listening/watching to Doherty either....
:winner:
The first bit's right, but I don't like listening/watching to Doherty either....
I was meaning watching Doherty's actions in the press, not actually watching him: never seen him. Doherty is a prize idiot but I find reports of his arrests and his courtroom trips amusing.
northwind
31-07-07, 03:41 PM
Sorry I meant a difference between an SV and an SS600. Obviously a Fazer 600 or something isn't massively quicker! The SV to SS600 step is a case of "OMFG!!!" the first time you red line it on full throttle! Mine was the relatively recent 636.
I was deeply unamazed the first time I rode a SS600 after my SV- a Daytona 650. It was quick, but there was no "OMFG". Pinning a Busa, now that was a bit of an OMFG, not so much from the acceleration but from the fact that it went on forever :smt077
Steve H
31-07-07, 03:41 PM
I think Steve H is a bit like Pete Doherty. Most people think he's totally pointless, but he is amusing to watch.
Fair enough, but I wish I had the same money for being pointless! ;)
Without people saying (within reason) what they like on a Forum is
pretty much like watching paint dry. In my esteemed opinion. :takeabow: ;)
Steve H
31-07-07, 03:43 PM
The first bit's right, but I don't like listening/watching to Doherty either....
and talking of never growing up,..............I bring you Jelster.
the_lone_wolf
31-07-07, 03:44 PM
http://www.forumspile.com/Ban-Watch_It.jpg
Steve H
31-07-07, 03:53 PM
[quote=the_lone_wolf;1250494]
To be honest Lone Wolf, I'm thinking of leaving of my own accord.
Yes, I am opinionated, but most of my comments are tongue in cheek.
It is sad when a Forum is policed as much as this one has been recently.
(I was also asked to change my avatar of Cliff Burton recently as it was likely to offend!)
In the circumstances, I stand by my comment that a minority of people on here really should lighten up.
I don't care if people don't like what I have to say, this is a Forum(a medium for OPEN discussion) for Crying out loud.
John 675
31-07-07, 04:05 PM
this is a Forum(a medium for OPEN discussion) for Crying out loud.
im not disagreeing with on that but, there is being open and being rude mate.
its not productive and gets peoples backs up, there is no point making enemys on a website... its just pointless ( not saying your being pointless ) as your sticking to your guns which is admerable but not being polite about it can offend.
LET THERE BE PEACE AMONGST THIS WAR TORN THREAD LOL, :smt109
Sorry but I feel I have to say my bit here. Compared to many I am a newbie by a long way but hope that as being an adult my comments will be as good/relevent as any other.
I started to read the thread but got caught up in the 'World v SteveH' debate. I can't be bothered to read the whole lot but guess the guy upset a few people down the line including the mods. Ok it may have been out of order but is a public flogging the appropriate way to deal with it? All it seems to have done is unnecessarily embarrassed one member, wound everyone up and completely wiped out a thread.
Couldn't a PM have been more appropriate with a warning of a public announcement if the behaviour doesn't stop? From the member point of view - stop digging the hole? If PM's were sent and SteveH didn't liten the flog away mods :D
Just a thought - and for the record - I think most people on here seem pretty decent and the mods do a terrific job in running the site, but can we have this thread back, forgive and forget, all hug (well ok cut the hug bit) and move on?...:grouphug:
SV650 to GSXR750 - do it, you will love it:smt098
StreetHawk
31-07-07, 04:49 PM
quote=Steve H
To be honest Lone Wolf, I'm thinking of leaving of my own accord.
Yes, I am opinionated, but most of my comments are tongue in cheek.
It is sad when a Forum is policed as much as this one has been recently.
(I was also asked to change my avatar of Cliff Burton recently as it was likely to offend!)
In the circumstances, I stand by my comment that a minority of people on here really should lighten up.
I don't care if people don't like what I have to say, this is a Forum(a medium for OPEN discussion) for Crying out loud.[/quote]
Bye! :smt077
graemepaterson - did you get your answer? :D :D
I went from Bandit 600 - Triumph Daytona 955i - GSXR 1000 within about 2 and half years and no chicken strips on any. Some may call me a big head, some an idiot but I'm happy and grinning having loads of fun.
I think it was Viney that said it doesn't matter what you got, its how you ride it. For the large part that is very true though some bikes will suit some people better than others. I just go for ones that look pretty and sound good!:D
IMVVHO ;)
I personally am not interested in arguments because my only intention is to save the bloke some money by making sure he tests all the options available and gets the right bike at the end of it. I don't want him to be put off bikes or rule out options based purely on forum hearsay. If he tries them all properly and still thinks the 750 is best then fair enough.
If you look at the power to weight ratios of the SV, SS600, SS750 and SS1000 then you will see that the SV to SS600 is a big step. Before people start messing with figures I am keeping it simple and using manufacturers dry weights and their ram air crank figure.
When I work it out with my SVS K5, ZX-6R 636 '04 and ZX-10R '06 then I am getting a larger horses per tonne leap with the SV to 636 step than the 636 to the 10R.
My SS600 did have a reputation for being an "exciting" ride so that might have made the gap seem larger than the one between an SV and a gutless 06/07 R6. I certainly said OMFG!!! the first time I red lined it in 2nd gear and it head shook and weaved. My pulse went through the roof. Never had that when I upgraded to the 1000. Mind you a month after my first sh*t your pants ride on the 636 I was bored and wanted more power so just because it feels quick on a test ride doesn't mean it really is *that* quick.
So the SS600 and 750 may be a big gap from an SV and may seem mentally quick on a test ride but be warned that you get used to it very quickly and will want more. Especially in the usability low down power dept...
Flamin_Squirrel
31-07-07, 06:12 PM
I personally am not interested in arguments because my only intention is to save the bloke some money by making sure he tests all the options available and gets the right bike at the end of it.
First sensible thing you've said.
Although quite frankly, the way you keep going on about the 1000s low down power, not using the top end all the time etc etc, makes it sound that you'd be better off with a CBF1000.
Value for money wise you get the most out of the low end power. Every time you touch the throttle you feel the benefits. Yes the top end is still there on the few occasions that you can use it, but it probably wouldn't justify the expenditure on its own.
As I have always said, 1000's are SS600's without the weak bottom end and buzzy ride. The perfect bike! I have considered the ZZR1400 and whilst it felt much lighter than I thought, I personally prefer the lighter sports bike and it would be hard to get in my garden for when I use the shed instead of the garage.
northwind
31-07-07, 06:26 PM
When I work it out with my SVS K5, ZX-6R 636 '04 and ZX-10R '06 then I am getting a larger horses per tonne leap with the SV to 636 step than the 636 to the 10R.
My SS600 did have a reputation for being an "exciting" ride so that might have made the gap seem larger than the one between an SV and a gutless 06/07 R6. I certainly said OMFG!!! the first time I red lined it in 2nd gear and it head shook and weaved.
Did you have a B model then? :)
THe horses per ton argument's interesting, but I'm not sure it really holds, when you think about it you get a smaller difference between a GS500 and an SV than you do between an SV and a 600, but I know which difference feels more substantial to me. I'm not convinced this is a linear thing really.
Yes the much discussed and argued about "B" model!
I went from a CD175 to a Bandit so never experienced the 500 to SV gap!
That was quite a large gap but again no problem at all. Easy to control the power but had I listened to others I would have tried a 250, 400 or 500 first. Given that within a week I was bored and swapped the Bandit for an SV after a few weeks of ownership it is a good job I didn't waste money on an in-between bike...which is what I am getting at with this 750 issue.
northwind
31-07-07, 06:57 PM
That was quite a large gap but again no problem at all. Easy to control the power but had I listened to others I would have tried a 250, 400 or 500 first. Given that within a week I was bored and swapped the Bandit for an SV after a few weeks of ownership it is a good job I didn't waste money on an in-between bike...which is what I am getting at with this 750 issue.
Going on the assumption that the 750 is only an inbetween bike, still... Nothing wrong with treating it that way but you've probably noticed, not everyone is "working towards" a litre bike.
21QUEST
31-07-07, 09:20 PM
Anyone that thinks an SS600 isn't tha much better than a budget bike like the SV obviously can't ride an SS600 properly.
Anyone could get on a turbowarpspeedblower and ride it like a pansy. That don't mean naff all.....no big deal. Even I can do that ;)
Now about all this starship enterprise 'difference' talk, well read the above again. As Viney says "A crap rider on any bike is still a crap rider" :smt045
Err yes, some folks need to wind their head in.
Ben
kwak zzr
31-07-07, 09:31 PM
not everyone is "working towards" a litre bike.
exactly!=D> i cant see what everyones on about moving up the ladder to a ss1000? your not buying a house you know? buy what you like, if it looks nice and sounds nice and does what its supposed to then just enjoy it:rolleyes: most ppl buy the ss1000 eventually but cant ride it properly anyway.
kwak zzr
31-07-07, 09:33 PM
in the real world a 600 bike is all you need anyway and in most cases they are better day to day bikes than 1000cc ones.
kwak zzr
31-07-07, 09:37 PM
one thing that really hacks me off is when i read "the sv650 is a good beginner bike and is good to learn on until you gain experience and can progress to a bigger bike" not many people max there bikes out top speed and even fewer people ride there bike to its maximum potential. watch blue's track day video clips proof all there, nuff said;)
northwind
31-07-07, 09:47 PM
Well, yeah, but to play devil's advocate riding a GSXR thou to 75% would probably make you faster than someone riding an SV650 to 100%. And you're also a bit less likely to suddenly ask for 101%, as people trying to keep up on inferior bikes are wont to do. It's also easier to work a bike hard when you've got a bit more confidence in what it's about to do- take me, on my SV I'm still not going as fast as a really good rider would on a standard SV, but I'd be slower again on a standard one.
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