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Blue_SV650S
31-07-07, 03:18 PM
Ok so where do you draw the line??
Presuming you are a veggie/vegan due to ethics not allergies, where do you draw the line?
Ok, so a nice juicy steak or a bacon butty is off the menu, fair enough, I can see that. But do you eat yoghurts (bacteria), marmite, bread, beer (yeast) etc etc???
Also do you use ant powder and slug pellets in your garden? Do you use detol (anti-bacterial products) in the house???
Seems a bit double standard if you are into bread yogurts etc and use detol … it is just picking on the little guys!! ;)
Discuss :)
skidmarx
31-07-07, 03:23 PM
Ok so where do you draw the line??
Presuming you are a veggie/vegan due to ethics not allergies, where do you draw the line?
Ok, so a nice juicy steak or a bacon butty is off the menu, fair enough, I can see that. But do you eat yoghurts (bacteria), marmite, bread, beer (yeast) etc etc???
Also do you use ant powder and slug pellet in your garden? Do you use detol (anti-bacterial products) in the house???
Seems a bit double standard if you are into bread yogurts etc and use detol
it is just be picking on the little guys!! ;)
Discuss :)
Has it got a pulse?
Ok so where do you draw the line??
Presuming you are a veggie/vegan due to ethics not allergies, where do you draw the line?
Ok, so a nice juicy steak or a bacon butty is off the menu, fair enough, I can see that. But do you eat yoghurts (bacteria), marmite, bread, beer (yeast) etc etc???
Also do you use ant powder and slug pellet in your garden? Do you use detol (anti-bacterial products) in the house???
Seems a bit double standard if you are into bread yogurts etc and use detol
it is just be picking on the little guys!! ;)
Discuss :)
I'm an (ethical) veggie.
I don't eat meat or fish.
I do wear leather and I do kill slugs and ants.
I am well aware that this could seem totally hypocritcal etc etc and I would totally agree.
timwilky
31-07-07, 03:40 PM
Veggies?, Vegans? Who gives a flying f***. God made animals to give us meat.
Once you are dead you will be feeding the worms anyway. It is natures way. We eat animals and in their own way they eventually get eat us.
In New Zealand (http://www.stuff.co.nz/AAMB4/aamsz=300x44_MULTILINK/4147483a6009.html) they won't jump your bones if you're a carnivore...
Veggies?, Vegans? Who gives a flying f***. God made animals to give us meat.
Once you are dead you will be feeding the worms anyway. It is natures way. We eat animals and in their own way they eventually get eat us.
I don't totally disagree with you. I don't believe in a god so I think that's nonsense but the bit about animals existing to be eaten I agree with to a certain extent.
I have more of an issue with the ethics of farming/slaughtering methods than the killing of animals per se.
Luckypants
31-07-07, 03:59 PM
In New Zealand (http://www.stuff.co.nz/AAMB4/aamsz=300x44_MULTILINK/4147483a6009.html) they won't jump your bones if you're a carnivore...She asked 157 folks from a population of 4,115,771? Probably all her veggie mates. :rolleyes:
ASM-Forever
31-07-07, 04:09 PM
I don't totally disagree with you. I don't believe in a god so I think that's nonsense but the bit about animals existing to be eaten I agree with to a certain extent.
I have more of an issue with the ethics of farming/slaughtering methods than the killing of animals per se.
But surely then you can still buy and eat some of those ethically farmed, overpriced meat/dairy products?
What about if you get some chickens(as discussed in another thread)....would you eat them or their eggs?
Personally i have gone off beef/pork/lamb/chicken recently but i am loving turkey :cool:
ASM-Forever
31-07-07, 04:10 PM
In New Zealand (http://www.stuff.co.nz/AAMB4/aamsz=300x44_MULTILINK/4147483a6009.html) they won't jump your bones if you're a carnivore...
If the vegan women look anything like that horror show....then what greater incentive to eat meat do we need?
But surely then you can still buy and eat some of those ethically farmed, overpriced meat/dairy products?
What about if you get some chickens(as discussed in another thread)....would you eat them or their eggs?
Personally i have gone off beef/pork/lamb/chicken recently but i am loving turkey :cool:
The idea of breeding animals to kill them for food just doesn't do it for me. Though I have less of an issue with ethically raised meat etc and killing and eating wild animals is a different matter (maybe).
I have been veggie for a long time and I just feel that it is unecessary for me to eat meat so I don't.
If/when I get chickens they would be pets that handily also provide eggs.
If the vegan women look anything like that horror show....then what greater incentive to eat meat do we need?
pmsl.
ASM-Forever
31-07-07, 04:24 PM
I have been veggie for a long time and I just feel that it is unecessary for me to eat meat so I don't.
I therefore assume that you eat soya and other suplements to replace meat in your diet?
We crashed at my mates g/f house a few weeks ago and she is a veggie/vegan(or whatever) and as we had the munchies ate all her stuff...it was crap!
Whilst i understand(but ignore) the ethical reason for being vegan...surely its not worth giving up bacon butties(with HP sauce) and replacing them with soya based sludge? :p
I therefore assume that you eat soya and other suplements to replace meat in your diet?
We crashed at my mates g/f house a few weeks ago and she is a veggie/vegan(or whatever) and as we had the munchies ate all her stuff...it was crap!
Whilst i understand(but ignore) the ethical reason for being vegan...surely its not worth giving up bacon butties(with HP sauce) and replacing them with soya based sludge? :p
Um, I suppose so. I don't really think that much about replacing meat with other protein but I guess I must do or I'd be really weak and feeble or something?
Some meat substitutes are ok and some are rubbish. I eat some quorn stuff which is ok.
Not keen on the smell of bacon butties, makes me feel a bit yucky, I love bacon flavoured stuff though, yum. I replace bacon butties with fried halloumi butties, don't knock it until you've tried it, nice and salty.
The sort meat that does tempt me is sausages like salami and chorizo.
ASM-Forever
31-07-07, 04:45 PM
Um, I suppose so. I don't really think that much about replacing meat with other protein but I guess I must do or I'd be really weak and feeble or something?
Some meat substitutes are ok and some are rubbish. I eat some quorn stuff which is ok.
Not keen on the smell of bacon butties, makes me feel a bit yucky, I love bacon flavoured stuff though, yum. I replace bacon butties with fried halloumi butties, don't knock it until you've tried it, nice and salty.
The sort meat that does tempt me is sausages like salami and chorizo.
Firstly you've left yourself open to a bit of choice highlighting :D
Chorizo is a good call though....perfect with pasta.
ClemsonSV
31-07-07, 05:06 PM
Surely you know that it is an American law to consume twice what you normally would to account for all the veggie loving meat haters in the world. this is why most Americans are fat. Small price to pay for keeping the cow population at bay. Those things are crazy during mating season...WATCH OUT!
I myself am blessed with high motabolism, which means I'm capable of eating non-stop and not gaining a pound! So I probably already ate your cow for the day! EAT FRESH!
Being A vegie goes against the natural order of being a human.
We are Omnivours, this is why we have insisors in our mouth to tear through the flesh!!
If we were meant to live on veg then we would have all molars in our mouth and chew only in a sideways motion!
Also IMO it deprives your body of one of its main requirements, protien, essential for healthy mussle building and repair.
I know there are supliments nowadays but meat is still the best source.
IMO being vegi is not natural for a human.
Being A vegie goes against the natural order of being a human.
We are Omnivours, this is why we have insisors in our mouth to tear through the flesh!!
If we were meant to live on veg then we would have all molars in our mouth and chew only in a sideways motion!
Also IMO it deprives your body of one of its main requirements, protien, essential for healthy mussle building and repair.
I know there are supliments nowadays but meat is still the best source.
IMO being vegi is not natural for a human.
what a load of rubbish
the white rabbit
31-07-07, 05:58 PM
If the vegan women look anything like that horror show....then what greater incentive to eat meat do we need?
Personally I prefer meat eaters.
ASM-Forever
31-07-07, 06:25 PM
Personally I prefer meat eaters.
I am sure we all do :p
Personally I prefer meat eaters.
I am sure we all do :p
we've already discussed this:rolleyes:
ASM-Forever
31-07-07, 06:32 PM
we've already discussed this:rolleyes:
Sssssh......let us have our fun!
Pesky, vegan, commie woman :cyclopsani: (yes thats right i am using the japs-eye emoticon)
Sssssh......let us have our fun!
Pesky, vegan, commie woman :cyclopsani: (yes thats right i am using the japs-eye emoticon)
i may be pesky and female but i'm not vegan or commie :smt066
what a load of rubbish
Its not rubish its fact, so explain why we have insisors then?? and we are officially classed as Omnivours in the animal kingdom. Look up the definition if you want, it will say something along the lines of an animal who eats both meat and vegitable food types.
As for the Protein issue again that is fact.
I am not saying there is anything wrong about being a vegi, just its at odds with the natural order of things.
Its not rubish its fact, so explain why we have insisors then?? and we are officially classed as Omnivours in the animal kingdom. Look up the definition if you want, it will say something along the lines of an animal who eats both meat and vegitable food types.
why do we have an appendix? why do men have nipples?
As for the Protein issue again that is fact.
what is "better" about meat protein?
I am not saying there is anything wrong about being a vegi, just its at odds with the natural order of things.
what does "the natural order of things" mean?
why do we have an appendix? why do men have nipples?
what is "better" about meat protein?
what does "the natural order of things" mean?
Ill get back to you on that, for me cos it feel nice to play with mine!! LOL :confused:
It means we have tham for a reason, and we still use them unlike the appendix.
People don't need incisors. I doubt many people use thier incisors to eat their bigmac.
Humans don't need that much protein, anyway, most plant foods contain protein.
the_runt69
31-07-07, 07:02 PM
Lived with a veggie for over a year and even she couldnt resist a bacon sarnie
Me Carnivore and unrepentant.
the_lone_wolf
31-07-07, 07:03 PM
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/bigpot6.jpg
eviltwin
31-07-07, 07:08 PM
People don't need incisors. I doubt many people use thier incisors to eat their bigmac.
Humans don't need that much protein, anyway, most plant foods contain protein.
Human incisors ain't that sharp anyway - take a look at them - they'd have a job tearing through 'flesh'.
It does get boring when meat eaters tell me I don't get enough protein in my vegetarian diet, as if to presume I haven't researched my own state of being and discovered that there are plenty of sources of protein for what a healthy human diet requires.
The only other more boring question is 'Do you eat fish?' Groan!
PS Well done Blue on baiting us!
ClemsonSV
31-07-07, 07:17 PM
People don't need incisors. I doubt many people use thier incisors to eat their bigmac.
Humans don't need that much protein, anyway, most plant foods contain protein.
I'm pretty sure I use my incisors when eating a bigmac. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to get a bite off, rather I'd have to rip it up with my bare hands like some cave man eating raw meat so I could get it back to my molars!:rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure I use my incisors when eating a bigmac. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to get a bite off, rather I'd have to rip it up with my bare hands like some cave man eating raw meat so I could get it back to my molars!:rolleyes:
exactly, so you don't really need them. i think incisors are prolly more useful eating raw fruit and veg than meat.
exactly, so you don't really need them. i think incisors are prolly more useful eating raw fruit and veg than meat.
No, they are not! My point was try eating meat with Molars, it would take ages to slice up the meat.
Any dentists here who can clear up 100% what teeth are designed to do what. I though the front flat ones were for biting through, the insisors for shreading and tearing( mainly meat) and the molars for crushing compacting?
So if insisors are useless and designed for veg why does every meat eating mamal have them??
but we still have canines which are for tearing through meat.
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2391101/2/istockphoto_2391101_vampire_teeth.jpg
ClemsonSV
31-07-07, 07:30 PM
exactly, so you don't really need them. i think incisors are prolly more useful eating raw fruit and veg than meat.
exactly...therefore "I" need them, neither of us could bite an apple or a hamburger or anything for that matter without them...they are just as usefull in either case. You can always cut up your veggies little kid style just as easy as I can cut up my steak little kid style...but why. I need my teeth. Plus my celebrity smile wouldn't be as appealing without them:D
but we still have canines which are for tearing through meat.
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2391101/2/istockphoto_2391101_vampire_teeth.jpg
canines like that would actually work. the underdeveloped ones we have are pretty useless
canines like that would actually work. the underdeveloped ones we have are pretty useless
Still disagree, i dont think you would be abble to eat very well with out them, especially a big fat juicy steak:smt045 :D
eviltwin
31-07-07, 07:37 PM
Still disagree, i dont think you would be abble to eat very well with out them, especially a big fat juicy steak:smt045 :D
try tearing through the flesh of your arm. would take a while with the very blunt teeth that humans have
try tearing through the flesh of your arm. would take a while with the very blunt teeth that humans have
It would take even longer on just Molars!;)
ClemsonSV
31-07-07, 07:43 PM
try tearing through the flesh of your arm. would take a while with the very blunt teeth that humans have
If you can't bite through your skin you aren't trying hard enough. Most of the tearing ability comes from the sheering force you apply when you bite down.
try tearing through the flesh of your arm. would take a while with the very blunt teeth that humans have
Ow! I'm bleeding. It's all your fault ET.
eviltwin
31-07-07, 07:56 PM
If you can't bite through your skin you aren't trying hard enough. Most of the tearing ability comes from the sheering force you apply when you bite down.
Huh? The verb to tear means to pull apart or pull pieces off. When something shears, it breaks into two pieces, usually because of a sideways force. You seem to be talking about downward pressure puncturing the skin.
I'm sorry but your post makes no sense.
this is getting boring now.
are there any other veggies out there?
ClemsonSV
31-07-07, 08:07 PM
You are going to do a little bit of both when you bite anything...tearing and sheering as most peoples' teeth don't line up tip to tip. They instead come down (normally) top slightly in front of bottom, which creates a shearing force, but because skin is not a solid object the shearing force will cause it to rip and tear right off...:shaking:
dirtydog
31-07-07, 08:11 PM
The only other more boring question is 'Do you eat fish?' Groan!
Well do you?
;) :p :p
eviltwin
31-07-07, 08:16 PM
Think I'll go and eat my vegetarian curry now. Half the population of the Indian subcontinent can't be wrong! :D
Well do you?
;) :p :p
:smt044
Blue_SV650S
31-07-07, 08:30 PM
Well well ... I leave a thread alone for a few hours and look what happens!! :D
People, if someone takes a life choice to be a veggie/vegan or whatever, then so be it, it is doing no harm!! If anything less animals are being killed so it is doing good. So no more veggie bashing/taking the piddle please ;)
Personally I am nearly as good as a vegetarian ... as I tend to like veggie food so choose veggie meals over carnivore most of the time. I also love a bacon butty and a 'roast' ... so I am in no way a veggie ;)
I can see Sarah's point of view re battery farming and the like being inhumane ... letting a chicken have a nice 'free-range' life before battering it over the head to put on my plate does seem a little nicer. If you have ever seen inside a battery farm or seen it on telly, you can't help but be sickened!! :cry:
Anyhoo, this is digressing from my point ... my point is VEGGIES, where do you deviate from the killing of living things, be it for food or heigine!?!?! I bet not many thought about beer, bread and the like actually still being the slaughter of innocent beings ;)
Now you have been enlightened will you draw the line elsewhere??
Omnivores or pure carnivores :D I don't care for your opinion on the subject unless you are referring to a 3rd party veggie you know!! So be quiet please!! ;)
northwind
31-07-07, 09:42 PM
We are Omnivours, this is why we have insisors in our mouth to tear through the flesh!!
Yup, but we're omnivorous to give us the choice of foods- it's a smart evolutionary move to get away from dependance on one food chain, carnivores die when their prey dies but omnivores just get annoyed.
At the end of the day, "What nature intended" is a straw man, nature doesn't intend.
Anyone else remember at the AR? "Bear, get away from the barbeque- that's MEAT SMOKE!"
See me defy Blue :smt045
we're omnivorous to give us the choice of foods- it's a smart evolutionary move to get away from dependance on one food chain, carnivores die when their prey dies but omnivores just get annoyed.
brilliantly put
Blue_SV650S
31-07-07, 10:04 PM
...
See me defy Blue :smt045
Bad man!! :D
But a worthwhile post by Mr Northy!! :takeabow:
this is getting boring now.
are there any other veggies out there?no
HTH
Think I'll go and eat my vegetarian curry now. Half the population of the Indian subcontinent can't be wrong! :Dwhat about the other half
MEAT IS MURDER................. AND MURDER TASTES PRETTY GOOD TO ME
stuartyboy
31-07-07, 10:59 PM
exactly, so you don't really need them. i think incisors are prolly more useful eating raw fruit and veg than meat.
That's a load of veggie tree hugger ********. ;) Try eating spare ribs without your incisors.
I was married to a dentist for 9 years and I tried to antagonise her on the incisor/vegitarian debate. Try arguing with her when she's got a drill in your mouth!
FWIW - I've seen her x-ray training videos on how meat is processed through eating, tearing etc. They use mock cadavres in training and replace entire mouths with molars or incisors or canines to demonstrate the effectiveness of the chewing motions of each type of tooth. Incisors tear the meat and are designed to gnaw bones, extract marrow etc etc.
If you're ever in Glasgow - go to the university museum. There's a very graphic demonstration showing how useless humans are without their "meat" teeth. You'll also see a bottle of Lister's pish which is hundreds of years old but still sterile.
northwind
31-07-07, 11:08 PM
no
what about the other half
:notworthy:
MiniMatt
01-08-07, 08:18 AM
Chuckle, fantastic thread :D
Used to be a veggie, lured back by the bacon sarnie, I'm weak I admit it. Like most folks here it would seem I did it on ethical grounds (ie. **** poor slaughter and housing regs - this was back in the day where you had to hunt high and low just to find free range eggs).
I don't really go with the "we have meat eating teeth so we should use them" idea. We're unique in that we have free choice, we don't have to do "what nature intended" (and as Northy pointed out so eloquently, nature doesn't "intend" anything, it merely gives us options to survive our environment). Nature also gave us the ability to club eachother over the head whilst yelling "Uggg!", but as a civilised people we instead bomb eachother with napalm from 30,000 feet...
As for how far to take it, no, I'm either far too practical or far too weak willed, I'd still wear leather shoes and bike gear (wouldn't buy a leather "fashion" jacket though), I'd still swat wasps etc. Marmite is pretty much the veggie national dish - is yeast extract even alive? The Linda Mcartney quote is probably the most pragmatic - "don't eat anything with a face" :D
Blue_SV650S
01-08-07, 08:34 AM
...- is yeast extract even alive?
'Yeast' is very much alive ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeast ... not sure what 'yeast extract' entails, but it doesn’t sound like it'd be very nice for the Yeast!! :D
MiniMatt
01-08-07, 08:38 AM
'Yeast' is very much alive ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeast ... not sure what 'yeast extract' entails, but it doesnt sound like it'd be very nice for the Yeast!! :D
Ahh, that clears it up "kingdom Fungi" - so it's a mushroom and therefore completely free of rights to life in the eyes of the veggie butchers :D Carrots scream as they're ripped from the ground etc etc :D
Bloody barbaric those veggies :D
gettin2dizzy
01-08-07, 09:35 AM
Yeast may be alive - but if veggies worked on that basis - plants are alive!
I went Vegan for about 6 months - not my choice but the girl I was living with was vegan - and as we were living in a car it made no sense to buy meat that would go off, so i went with it.
Being vegan is pretty simple to do, it takes a while to learn all of the products that are vegan as bits of dairy sneak in everywhere. Practically every veggie product sold contains egg or milk. Most veggies and vegans drink wine and beer with no insight in to how it's made! (alot contain fish!) a load of veggies also eat loads of foods with beef extracts, gelatin... the list is endless!
However having split up with the Vegan - looking back I realised how unhealthy it did make her. She used to plan every meal, and take so much care eating such a diverse range of foods (it used to look like one of those spreads gillian mckeith does - seeds, nuts and tonnes of veg) but it's difficult to process that much...vegetation! I don't think anyone could put more effort in to it than her, so i wouldn't recommend it. Being veggie however I think is healthy enough, but to do it properly you need to be clued up.
me ...I eat steak a few times a week :)
Jester666
01-08-07, 10:00 AM
Meat is Good!!
And I eat lots of it!! :D
Blue_SV650S
01-08-07, 10:07 AM
.... Most veggies and vegans drink wine and beer with no insight in to how it's made! (alot contain fish!) ...
That's true ... ok so although Yeast might be acceptable for some strange reason ... (still picking on the little guys :cry:) but there is indeed, fish bits that are used in beer making (can't remember what bit, but it is used to help clear the beer, supposedly the alternatives are not as good, so rarely used).
So no more beer veggies!! :)
Most veggies and vegans drink wine and beer with no insight in to how it's made! (alot contain fish!) a load of veggies also eat loads of foods with beef extracts, gelatin... the list is endless!
That's true ... ok so although Yeast might be acceptable for some starnge loc reason ... (still picking on the little guys :cry:) but there is indeed, fish bits that are used in beer making (can't remember what bit, but it is used to help clear the beer, supposedly the alternatives are not as good, so rarely used).
So no more beer veggies!! :)
I am aware of all these slaughter by-products used in and to make food and drink but I am less strict on these things for a number of reasons.
The vegetarian society lists approved products on their website which makes it simpler if you choose to be a strict veggie or vegan.
stuartyboy
01-08-07, 10:34 AM
Dont they use fish sperm to make beer clear? Isinglass or something it's called.
Puts a new perspective on spit or swallow
Keith1983
01-08-07, 10:43 AM
I presume none of the veggies use ivory handled cuttlery? Sorry couldn't resist! I think it's just a case of each to their own, nothing more nothing less. I would only have a problem with anybody's life choice if they were trying to force me into the same choice.
the_runt69
01-08-07, 11:58 AM
I presume none of the veggies use ivory handled cuttlery? Sorry couldn't resist! I think it's just a case of each to their own, nothing more nothing less. I would only have a problem with anybody's life choice if they were trying to force me into the same choice.
Ivory is illegal the only stuff you can get is either poached or made before the ban was made
I'm starting a new group anti veggie coz vegatables have feelings too, why eat a growing thing that might feel pain :p
I'm starting a new group anti veggie coz vegatables have feelings too, why eat a growing thing that might feel pain :p
fruitatarian
the_runt69
01-08-07, 12:15 PM
fruitatarian
Class love it
Dont they use fish sperm to make beer clear? Isinglass or something it's called.
Puts a new perspective on spit or swallow
isinglass is derived from the swim bladders of certain tropical fish especially the Chinese sturgeon
21QUEST
01-08-07, 12:18 PM
Humans are generally hypocrital in nature but looks like veggies will be quite near the top .........
Yes, I do eat vegetables, fruits ;)
Ben
toothpaste is made from dead cows
Caddy2000
01-08-07, 12:28 PM
:smt108 random!
Warthog
01-08-07, 01:10 PM
what a load of rubbish
Actually Neio is absolutely correct there.
why do we have an appendix? why do men have nipples?
Our appendix is vestigial, it is not there to help us be a veggie.
Nipples are a leftover from our foetal developement: all babies start off women then hormone changes prompt developement of different sexual organs.
Humans don't need that much protein, anyway, most plant foods contain protein.
Most plant foods DON'T contain protein! That is why you eat pulses and cheese etc.
Human incisors ain't that sharp anyway - take a look at them - they'd have a job tearing through 'flesh'.
No teeth are actually "razor sharp", its poetic exaggeration. Have you ever seen a T-Rex's tooth? Its the same sharpness as ours, just bigger. Our teeth are evolutionarily perfectly adapted to being omnivorous, and can tear and pull quite easily.
Didn't mean to pick on anyone in particular there, I just can't stand scientific inaccuracies! having said that, I reckon all people can eat what they want, veggies are fine by me!
Also, to really stir things up, there are compelling arguments around that humans could not have gotten as advanced as we are today without eating meat, and indeed if the whole world went veggy now all of a sudden we would all die.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k295/hovi5/hpspm0026_125.gif
i thought this thread was supposed to be about where/why veggies/vegans draw the line about what they will/won't eat etc.
i can't stand derailed threads. i never do that.O:)
Pedrosa
01-08-07, 01:17 PM
Without man's requirement of food being drawn so often from living creatures,do you ever consider how many animals/beasts etc would not even exist anymore?:rolleyes: Simply there would be no point to them.
the_runt69
01-08-07, 01:23 PM
i thought this thread was supposed to be about where/why veggies/vegans draw the line about what they will/won't eat etc.
i can't stand derailed threads. i never do that.O:)
Sorry Sarah will stop now
:shaking:
stuartyboy
01-08-07, 01:49 PM
isinglass is derived from the swim bladders of certain tropical fish especially the Chinese sturgeon
It looks like sperm...thank god for google ;)
It looks like sperm...thank god for google ;)
sounds pretty gross. i still drink beer though :drink:
stuartyboy
01-08-07, 02:08 PM
sounds pretty gross. i still drink beer though :drink:
Mine's a lager!
the_runt69
01-08-07, 02:51 PM
Stella here,
dont get me wrong am happy to drink with veggie killers
Stella here,
dont get me wrong am happy to drink with veggie killers
i get silly when i drink stella
the_runt69
01-08-07, 02:56 PM
i get silly when i drink stella
Some day we'll have to meet up without EV then and can get silly together,
Not naughty just silly
i get silly when i drink stella
3 crates of stella on order for this weekend then;)
RhythmJunkie
01-08-07, 03:41 PM
Sarah...a veggie trying to argue their point of view to a meat eater is akin to arguing with a christian about the none-existence of a god. Pointless patheticology!
Go ahead all you omnicarnivores, keep eating all that lovely healthy meat, then when you reach 50 and you have permanent man boobs don't come crying to me! #-o
Although I do have the number of a good surgeon! :smt045
Haven't you ever wondered why cows don't sh*t like a horse or a sheep?
Ever wondered why they seem to have permanent diarrhoea? :smt104
Growth hormones my dear friends, turns their poo into sludge! :puker:
Sarah...a veggie trying to argue their point of view to a meat eater is akin to arguing with a christian about the none-existence of a god. Pointless patheticology!
I know, now don't get me started on religion:shaking:
Some day we'll have to meet up without EV then and can get silly together,
Not naughty just silly
EV??? Eddie Vedder? Escape Velocity???
Not eating meat is a decision, eating meat is an instinct
ClemsonSV
01-08-07, 04:24 PM
Not eating meat is a decision, eating meat is an instinct
We are mere humans. We don't have instincts.:smt103 :D ;)
But eating meat is natural. It's all we had back in the day...10,000 years ago.
edit: Now I'm just talking out of my @$$ just for the fun of it. HAHAHAaaaa
Warthog
01-08-07, 04:30 PM
Haven't you ever wondered why cows don't sh*t like a horse or a sheep?
Ever wondered why they seem to have permanent diarrhoea? :smt104
I thought you were going to say because they are veggies hahaha :)
I didn't eat meat for 2 years for ethical reasons...I started eating it again a couple of months ago but I'm thinking of stopping again as I can't deal with preparing meat. The problem I have is with farming methods, slaughtering etc. I don't want to die...I like being alive and I'm not all that comfortable about animals having to die for my benefit...you have to draw the line somewhere and I drew it at not consuming meat and meat by-products altho I did still eat eggs. I wouldn't worry about eating anything with yeast in as it's only a fungus...as for germs and bacteria etc...all the little guys, well they don't have a pulse!
Some people argue along the lines of "well there wouldn't be any turkeys/cows/sheep...whatever...if they weren't farmed for food" but is a life worth living if it's the animal equivalent of a concentration camp and is as far removed from what is considered to be natural as possible? (remember...meat eaters argue about what's natural all the time when they put forward their argument!) :)
Oh and another thing...(I'm on a roll now)...why is it that people like to think they are above animals, that animals were put on this planet to serve our purpose and then rely on the traits that make us similar to animals when putting forward their argument...things like instinct, it's natural blah blah blah. Rant over!!
Blue_SV650S
01-08-07, 06:21 PM
I didn't eat meat for 2 years for ethical reasons...I started eating it again a couple of months ago but I'm thinking of stopping again as I can't deal with preparing meat. The problem I have is with farming methods, slaughtering etc. I don't want to die...I like being alive and I'm not all that comfortable about animals having to die for my benefit...you have to draw the line somewhere and I drew it at not consuming meat and meat by-products altho I did still eat eggs. I wouldn't worry about eating anything with yeast in as it's only a fungus...as for germs and bacteria etc...all the little guys, well they don't have a pulse!
Some people argue along the lines of "well there wouldn't be any turkeys/cows/sheep...whatever...if they weren't farmed for food" but is a life worth living if it's the animal equivalent of a concentration camp and is as far removed from what is considered to be natural as possible? (remember...meat eaters argue about what's natural all the time when they put forward their argument!) :)
I hope you only buy 'free-range' eggs ;) ... its battery farming that is the most sickening ... at least cows get to roam fields before they become beef burgers! ;)
Oh and another thing...(I'm on a roll now)...why is it that people like to think they are above animals, that animals were put on this planet to serve our purpose and then rely on the traits that make us similar to animals when putting forward their argument...things like instinct, it's natural blah blah blah. Rant over!!
good rant.
i think a lot of people believe that humans are superior to (other) animals because some religions say so
I hope you only buy 'free-range' eggs ;) ... its battery farming that is the most sickening ... at least cows get to roam fields before they become beef burgers! ;)
Aren't you forgetting my pampered pets? :cool:
Cattle farmed for milking have a really rough time btw...plus it's acceptable for milk to consist of up to 1% puss (caused by the mastitis)...nice!
Blue_SV650S
01-08-07, 06:26 PM
Aren't you forgetting my pampered pets? :cool:
Cattle farmed for milking have a really rough time btw...plus it's acceptable for milk to consist of up to 1% puss...nice!
Did you know the mummy cows get their babies taken away from them staright away so they keep making milk??? That's just nasty!! :cry:
Cattle farmed for milking have a really rough time btw...plus it's acceptable for milk to consist of up to 1% puss (caused by the mastitis)...nice!
i feel bad about consuming milk and cheese etc. there are some methods to make life less unpleasant for dairy cows
Did you know the mummy cows get their babies taken away from them staright away so they keep making milk??? That's just nasty!! :cry:
i know :(
Did you know the mummy cows get their babies taken away from them staright away so they keep making milk??? That's just nasty!! :cry:
The cows still form a bond with their calves...which is why they make so much noise for so long when they're separated :(
Then the cows get made pregnant again so the cycle starts all over...probably using AI and not real nooky!
All normal people love meat. If I went to a barbeque and there was no meat, I would say 'Yo Goober! Where's the meat!?'.
You don't win friends with salad
All normal people love meat. If I went to a barbeque and there was no meat, I would say 'Yo Goober! Where's the meat!?'.
You don't win friends with salad
that's all very well hovis but it doesn't really answer blue's question.
that's all very well hovis but it doesn't really answer blue's question.
what was blues question?:confused:
good rant.
i think a lot of people believe that humans are superior to (other) animals because some religions say so
No, its because we have evolved to the top of the food chain, and are capable of ovecoming adapting and controling our surroundings and enviroment to meet our needs and wants.
Therefore Natural selection and Darwin say we are above all other animals, hence we get to choose which ones to eat!!
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