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21QUEST
02-10-07, 08:12 PM
no,
if they are genuinly the best people for the Job.
there is a lot of silly rules about racisum and employment.
like the police and army have been set targets to try and reach, but you cant make certain people join unless they want to. Meanwhile others from different backgrounds are being disadvantaged as they are overlooked, basically positive discrimination.
Avon and Somerset police got hammered for it a little while ago when it was found out they bined all applications from white men.
neio, for starters, if you are not a British caucasian, you don't even get a look in.......the best people for the job are picked from the afore mentioned group.
For such a person, that is what works best for him in his opinion but I'm sure others might see it differently.
Thanks for the reply..
Ben
Pedrosa
02-10-07, 08:13 PM
What a pity that a thread begun just a few days ago and that now has a view level to match that of the dire MT 11,( based on pro rata length of time it has been running) and that truly offers many posts of value,(with the odd humour thrown in) should be side tracked by an individual who offers once again no true input but merely seeks to stalk and provoke certain members.
This individual has to be the saddest I have encountered for a long time.
Please all sensible members ignore any posts made by the person you know I refer to.:rolleyes:
Back to the matters in hand...
A personal comment...I find discrimination purely based on skin colour one of the most despicable things any human being can do to another.
Please all sensible members ignore any posts made by the person you know I refer to.:rolleyes:
Good to see you have learned to control your temper peter - last time I had any dealings with you, you resorted to sending threatening PMs :rolleyes:
Luckypants
02-10-07, 08:18 PM
but i think............. when people come to this country they should at least learnspeak our langage, and our way of life
Yeah, do you speak Welsh Hovis?
no, do you......... i speak english, as does the rest of wales
because........ nobody uses it in wales as ENGLISH is the spoken language
Paida siarad mor 'wirion Hovis!
You came to Wales and you have not learned the language, you know little of Welsh culture and you belittle it as not relevant. In what way are you different to those immigrants who come here and not learn English, our laws and customs?
It holds true for all immigrants, when you arrive in your new country you need to do your best to integrate, learn the language and respect the culture of the host nation. The 'brits' are amongst the worst for not doing this, see the brit 'ghettos' in Spain, Saudi Arabia, areas of France, Portugal etc. This is (I think) what Filippe meant with his 'pot calling the kettle black' reference earlier in the thread I believe.
Now I have a lot of sympathy for some of the opinions on here about immigrants not integrating, but lets be sure we are not being hypocritical.
There has been a lot of talk about racists and racism. What do people think of this?
Lets say I've got a friend who runs his own business and he only employs British Citizens.......to be precise, only caucasians. Is he a racist?
Benwhat sort of business is it?
21QUEST
02-10-07, 08:28 PM
what sort of business is it?
It's all legal lol.
I don't think that matters much to be honest. It's just what has been decided should we say.
Ben
Pedrosa
02-10-07, 08:31 PM
Good to see you have learned to control your temper peter - last time I had any dealings with you, you resorted to sending threatening PMs :rolleyes:
Stepped right back under the spotlight there didnt you?
Yes I do recall you managing to make me rather angry, at a time when I really regretted our contact purely being via an internet forum. But I have mellowed. I do not remember any PM being threatening but I am sure I would have made my position very clear.
Damn I just ignored my own advice!:p
Damn I just ignored my own advice!:p
:rolleyes:
:smt075
Stepped right back under the spotlight there didnt you?
Actually, No.
I do not remember any PM being threatening
Thats because you're thinking of the wrong user........ I have them in my inbox still now.
Paida siarad mor 'wirion Hovis!
You came to Wales and you have not learned the language, you know little of Welsh culture and you belittle it as not relevant. In what way are you different to those immigrants who come here and not learn English, our laws and customs?
BECAUSE ENGLISH IS SPOKEN IN MY AREA, IF IT WAS NOT, I WOULD HAVE LEARNT WELSH
BUT NOT MUCH POINT IN LEARNING IT AS NOBODY SPEAKS WELSH DOWN HERE
HTH
Pedrosa
02-10-07, 08:37 PM
.
Thats because you're thinking of the wrong user........ I have them in my inbox still now tied with a red ribbon.
Aaaw bless!;)
But hey I was younger and hot headed and a devil to deal with if I skipped on my medication,(you'll understand what that is all about though,right?)
Luckypants
02-10-07, 08:40 PM
BECAUSE ENGLISH IS SPOKEN IN MY AREA, IF IT WAS NOT, I WOULD HAVE LEARNT WELSH
BUT NOT MUCH POINT IN LEARNING IT AS NOBODY SPEAKS WELSH DOWN HERE
HTH
Well we won't go into the historical reasons for that, but suffice to say it backs up many folks fears about loss of UK culture from mass immigration.
Shouting does not let you off belittling the Welsh language and culture though.
Pedrosa
02-10-07, 08:41 PM
hi
Yeah right!:p:p:p:p
neio, for starters, if you are not a British caucasian, you don't even get a look in.......the best people for the job are picked from the afore mentioned group.
For such a person, that is what works best for him in his opinion but I'm sure others might see it differently.
Thanks for the reply..
Ben
Then i would concider that Racist, or at least discrimination yes.
.
Shouting does not let you off belittling the Welsh language and culture though.
:-$sorry for shouting, i only noticed after i typed it all........ & was expecting the computer to change it, which it normally does:-$
Well we won't go into the historical reasons for that, but suffice to say it backs up many folks fears about loss of UK culture from mass immigration.
Shouting does not let you off belittling the Welsh language and culture though.
The Welsh are the True Brits, It never got invaded and whrn the Romans Viking and whoever came the Natives to the UK migrated into Wales.
the rest of us are mongrals ;)
21QUEST
02-10-07, 09:03 PM
Then i would concider that Racist, or at least discrimination yes.
I would agree with you.
The amusing thing(I'm easily amused hehe) is, I've read same on this thread and we all know of various "others" doing the same but the "Bottle Merchants" of course are unable to work that out.
No offence to anyone(but if the cap fits.... ;) ) in particular but "Bottle Merchants" can be a touch annoying......most depressing I'd say ;)
I'll now go back to just reading :p
Ben
i'm leaving the country tomorrow.
For 2 weeks :eek: Going to Pakistan for my annual trip. Hope this thread is still going strong on my return.
Peace out.
Ok, call me dumb if you like................but what's a 'bottle merchant'?
Is that one of those 'London' expressions?:)
Luckypants
02-10-07, 09:06 PM
Ok, call me dumb if you like................but what's a 'bottle merchant'?
Is that one of those 'London' expressions?:)
Thanks lissa, was too scared to ask. :ncool:
Ok, call me dumb if you like................but what's a 'bottle merchant'?
Is that one of those 'London' expressions?:)
god dummy its , well errr its, 21quest you tell her:rolleyes:
i'm leaving the country tomorrow.
For 2 weeks :eek: Going to Pakistan for my annual trip. Hope this thread is still going strong on my return.
Peace out.
bye bye then:smt039
Ok, call me dumb if you like................but what's a 'bottle merchant'?
this (http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/bottle%20merchant)
this (http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/bottle%20merchant)
:smt103
I'm sorry I asked!
:)
this (http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/bottle%20merchant)
:smt102
Access to this website/page has been denied
:confused:
Access to this website/page has been denied
I'm not surprised. It's poss not entirely U-rated.
Biker Biggles
02-10-07, 09:13 PM
Sarah---So thats where you get all your strange ideas from.:D
And I thought Id been around the block a few times:smt025
this (http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/bottle%20merchant)
my vocabulary has become so much more eloquent all of a sudden:smt046
Sarah---So thats where you get all your strange ideas from.:D
And I thought Id been around the block a few times:smt025
:confused:
21QUEST
02-10-07, 09:15 PM
Ok, call me dumb if you like................but what's a 'bottle merchant'?
Is that one of those 'London' expressions?:)
Lol
It's a sekrite but our Scottish 'orgers would know I believe..... ;)
Ben
21QUEST
02-10-07, 09:20 PM
this (http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/bottle%20merchant)
Good Lord :shock:
Ben
The Welsh are the True Brits, It never got invaded and whrn the Romans Viking and whoever came the Natives to the UK migrated into Wales.
the rest of us are mongrals ;)
How about King Edward Ist lol ;)
The native people of Medievil Wales are decended from the Celtic Britons, who were pushed into Wales from the midlands by the Anglo-Saxons.
If anything the English are mainly Germanic and the Welsh are mainly English.
So, the Welsh are more English than the English are, and us (now) native English are mostly Germans, confused? lol
philipMac
03-10-07, 12:13 AM
So are we all off down the local embroidary shop to get our SV logos stiched into our point white hoods now are we?
Anyone know any good cross shops?
lukemillar
03-10-07, 08:17 AM
but i think............. when people come to this country they should at least learnspeak our langage....
Beautifully ironic! :wink:
How about King Edward Ist lol ;)
The native people of Medievil Wales are decended from the Celtic Britons, who were pushed into Wales from the midlands by the Anglo-Saxons.
If anything the English are mainly Germanic and the Welsh are mainly English.
So, the Welsh are more English than the English are, and us (now) native English are mostly Germans, confused? lol
yeah confused, so am i a German now? LOL
yeah confused, so am i a German now? LOL
more so than you would imagine. hence the irony in so many posts about it being 'our' country.....
markmoto
03-10-07, 08:26 AM
im sorry but i dont agree with the whole this countrys crap etc etc i will always maintain that this is the best country in the world, my brother moved to nz a year ago and it aint all its cracked upto be and he is moving back. When you add everything up this little island we live on takes some beatin ;) sure it has its problems with immigration but then others have it much much worse, all of the developed countries have this problem not just us. Our health service although needing some improvement is still one of the best in the world. All we need is a decent primeminister with a backbone to get a grip on crime and immigration and the place would be near perfect. the uk is one of the most diverse places on the planet from the top of scotland to the cornwall. I for one aint going anywhere cos there is no place better. However a little more sun would be nice but you cant have everything aty least we dont get earthquakes and **** like that.
more so than you would imagine. hence the irony in so many posts about it being 'our' country.....
did you miss your boat/flight to Pakistan ?:confused:
more so than you would imagine. hence the irony in so many posts about it being 'our' country.....
well its still our country even if we are decended from past invaders!!
im sorry but i dont agree with the whole this countrys crap etc etc i will always maintain that this is the best country in the world, my brother moved to nz a year ago and it aint all its cracked upto be and he is moving back. When you add everything up this little island we live on takes some beatin ;) sure it has its problems with immigration but then others have it much much worse, all of the developed countries have this problem not just us. Our health service although needing some improvement is still one of the best in the world. All we need is a decent primeminister with a backbone to get a grip on crime and immigration and the place would be near perfect. the uk is one of the most diverse places on the planet from the top of scotland to the cornwall. I for one aint going anywhere cos there is no place better. However a little more sun would be nice but you cant have everything aty least we dont get earthquakes and **** like that. :smt066 Well said. This is one of the most exciting countries in the world at the moment. I agree it can be improved but it has a very strong foundation to improve on.
Dont forget that Britain has been built on the backs of many other small countries and nations around the world. In an odd kind of way I justify immigration as its debt to society and these nations for changing them many years ago. You talk about immigrants changing the way you live your life today... ;)
markmoto
03-10-07, 08:41 AM
its not our country so to speak but we are its inhabitants, therefore we have a right to want what is best for us, the problem is that not enough people get together for a common cause any more its more im alright jack. If people actualy stopped wingin about issues and voted for the party who says they will change it or actualy conducted protest marches in the streets of london, i mean look at the burmese thats a protest good on em :-)
markmoto
03-10-07, 08:45 AM
:smt066 Well said. This is one of the most exciting countries in the world at the moment. I agree it can be improved but it has a very strong foundation to improve on.
Dont forget that Britain has been built on the backs of many other small countries and nations around the world. In an odd kind of way I justify immigration as its debt to society and these nations for changing them many years ago. You talk about immigrants changing the way you live your life today... ;)
Well put mate alot of people do tend to forget this, if your not happy here go live in irag, burma, africa!! or maybe even the most messed up place of all America!!! :smt045
Pedrosa
03-10-07, 09:01 AM
Harping on about historical ancestral lines many going back to invasions by foreign forces to the shores of the UK is a pointless and irrelevant approach.
There are many countries out there that have not changed their identity purely on the basis of who once raided their country. Such a nonsensical side track.
What we must bare in mind is that there is a great strain on the British economy right now, this is not created by the influx of foreigners as on the whole they help to alleviate the situation.
The U.K. has a massive drain on it's resources created by the very young in it's society and interestingly the old. The Baby Boomer generation are now moving in to retirement and with prolonged life expectancy. Many of those people do require state assistance.
I do not see that the U.K. economy is in a melt down caused by foreign workers under cutting home grown labour resources. It is a factor that some of this does occur,(and as indicated by fellow members is likely to be more prevalent in certain lines of work) but would suggest it melts in to insignificance when compared with crimes such as benefit fraud,(working and claiming?) crimes of the like which are more likely to be carried out by people born and bred in the U.K.
Filipe M.
03-10-07, 10:18 AM
It holds true for all immigrants, when you arrive in your new country you need to do your best to integrate, learn the language and respect the culture of the host nation. The 'brits' are amongst the worst for not doing this, see the brit 'ghettos' in Spain, Saudi Arabia, areas of France, Portugal etc. This is (I think) what Filippe meant with his 'pot calling the kettle black' reference earlier in the thread I believe.
Now I have a lot of sympathy for some of the opinions on here about immigrants not integrating, but lets be sure we are not being hypocritical.
Thanks, Mike.
Spanner Man
03-10-07, 01:22 PM
Dont forget that Britain has been built on the backs of many other small countries and nations around the world. In an odd kind of way I justify immigration as its debt to society and these nations for changing them many years ago. You talk about immigrants changing the way you live your life today... ;)
Afternoon all.
Robert Mugabe tried blaming the UK for what we had done when it was Rhodesia. This was after he had pillaged the economy of course!
As has been pointed out, what was done in past years is of little relevance to the points under discussion. But, there does seem to be a bit of a guilt trip going on, regarding former colonies, as if we actually owe them something......Perhaps we should ask the Indians for the railways back, after all, we put them there initially.
I think that as part of the EEC we're entitled to expect that immigration, be it from oppression, or for economic reasons, is handled as a European issue. Rather than having folks making a beeline for our Country (& all it's benefits) regardless.
Cheers.
GOOD LUCK TO LEWIS HAMILTON IN CHINA ON SUNDAY :p
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