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Owenski 05-04-09 07:55 PM

Re: Oil Burning when cold.
 
Zen thats brilliant mate, ill get some one to do the diagnosis on the smoke relating to throttle position and get back to ya.

Owenski 05-04-09 08:02 PM

Re: Oil Burning when cold.
 
Forgot to add its a 30k engine mate.

I'm_a_Newbie 05-04-09 08:34 PM

Re: Oil Burning when cold.
 
White smoke in winter when engine cold = condensation in the exhaust.
White smoke all the time = failed head gasket or cracked cylinder head etc.
Blue smoke = burning oil
Black smoke = fuel mixture too rich.

Tim

punyXpress 05-04-09 09:16 PM

Re: Oil Burning when cold.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by I'm_a_Newbie (Post 1853043)
White smoke in winter when engine cold = condensation in the exhaust.
White smoke all the time = failed head gasket or cracked cylinder head etc.
Blue smoke = burning oil
Black smoke = fuel mixture too rich.

Tim

Or filled with DERV ?

yorkie_chris 06-04-09 09:50 AM

Re: Oil Burning when cold.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by punyXpress (Post 1853134)
Or filled with DERV ?

Pete?

Owenski 06-04-09 02:23 PM

Re: Oil Burning when cold.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by I'm_a_Newbie (Post 1853043)
White smoke in winter when engine cold = condensation in the exhaust.
White smoke all the time = failed head gasket or cracked cylinder head etc.
Blue smoke = burning oil
Black smoke = fuel mixture too rich.

Tim


NOT GOOD!

It isnt all the time though thats the thing. Its only until she's warmed up. I've had someone follow me now and as it stands its when she's cold and only if the throttle is closed (although when shes first started and choke is on then opening the throttle causes it to get worse breifly but I dont know if thatts just it all been pushed through.

I use it for 16miles to work and the same again on the way home every day come rain or shine so it wont be the condensation and as I mentioned the smell is of burning oil.

Zen Beetle 06-04-09 03:54 PM

Re: Oil Burning when cold.
 
mmmmm. Is it when she's cold or when she's warmed up? Sorry for the confusion but your description sounds a little ambiguous. Did she smoke when you decelerated? Is she smoking out of one exhaust or both? Checking your oil level, approximately how much oil are you burning/loosing?

I suggest you buy yourself a compression tester (I have a Gunson's HiGauge from Halfords) as a careful comparison of the readings of the compression pressure for each cylinder will indicate the likely cause of the fault/s.

This comparison is made using suzuki's recommended levels for both cylinders (Haynes Manuel has this as 213psi / 15.0 Bar). It is normally accepted that a variation of more than 1 Bar (15psi) between the two cylinders is an indication of a fault. A reading lower than 156 psi / 11.0 Bar (the service limit) indicates a substantial loss of compression.

Poor cylinder bore and piston ring condition may be checked by pouring no more than a teaspoon of engine oil into the suspect cylinder through the spark plug hole. Re-check the compression pressure. If there is a substantial improvement in compression pressure then worn bore and/or piston rings is indicated. If no improvement is seen then poorly seating valves or a leaking head gasket is indicated.

Bibio 06-04-09 06:16 PM

Re: Oil Burning when cold.
 
gummed up piston rings perhaps?

Owenski 06-04-09 08:11 PM

Re: Oil Burning when cold.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zen Beetle (Post 1853893)
mmmmm. Is it when she's cold or when she's warmed up? Sorry for the confusion but your description sounds a little ambiguous. Did she smoke when you decelerated? Is she smoking out of one exhaust or both? Checking your oil level, approximately how much oil are you burning/loosing?

Its only when shes cold mate once warm she seems fine.
Dont appologise mate, my writing is terrible and your only tryin to help. Plus I dont know what ambiguous means.
Hmm not sure, by the time I was at the motorway (half mile) there was no smoke or smell.
Single exhaust anyway bud.
Normally Id only check it once a month (if that) and ususally she'd need some putting in but not much. If its worse than normal its nothing dramatic.

Zen Beetle 06-04-09 09:17 PM

Re: Oil Burning when cold.
 
From your description it doesn't sound as bad as I originally suspected. In my case my BMW was smoking on the over-run and loosing oil so badly that I was pretty sure it was the valve guides at fault. While I had the head off I also thought it prudent (bearing in mind the bike had done 50,000 miles) to also put new piston rings and also have the cylinders honed. I don't think you need to do such drastic action but I do advise you to have a compression test (as I described in my previous posting). The fact that its smoking on one exhaust probably means that the compression for that cylinder is low. Only a compression test will verify this. Otherwise, keep an eye out on that oil level and provided you're not loosing oil in worrying amounts it may be nothing particularly sinister to worry about.


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