Stock Vs Aftermarket Wheels

[andrewsmith]

Ok lads argue away in here!!! I will stay neutral in this apart from saying my piece that stock hoops are tested to the extreme point failure which is a lot more than aftermarket rims.

A bit of background to the thread

Originally Posted by Runako

V nice! Where do you live again? Seriously though, keep it up man. One question. You built a custom bike. Why not get some badass wheels on that? There are so many reasons why you should!

Originally Posted by xXBADGERXx

Cos he has bigger Fish to fry right now

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

I quite like the idea of "this is what you can build with a donor SV, a few hours on eBay, and a kit from us". Dripping everything in exotica makes it seem unreachable.

Originally Posted by xXBADGERXx

Yeah , leave the pimp goodies for those with deeper pockets

Originally Posted by kaivalagi

Deep pockets or not that is tasty, it has that nice chiselled fairing look that I want an RC8 for

Originally Posted by xXBADGERXx

Aye , have a look at a Yamaha SDR 200 swingarm , imagine a beefier one of those on your project

Originally Posted by Runako

Sorry to disagree chaps but, what? Dripping in exotica? Here's a link to some Marvic Magnesium Wheels that cost less than £800. Considering that stock is £500 this is not exactly an "exotic" price is it! Anyway isn't the aim to improve both looks and performance? So why not get lighter, better looking wheels?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Compared to £100 for a GSXR wheel on ebay I reckon £800 for the rear and £600 for a front is pretty pricey!

Originally Posted by xXBADGERXx

The guy isn`t an endless money pit , if your feeling that flush then buy him a set and donate them to him then Runako

Originally Posted by andrewsmith

I think for the process of design the stock suzuki items are spot on.

Todge did you consider the underseat as a design?
Not criticizing as the GSXR1000 Style end can looks the part

Originally Posted by Runako

Well he's not just looking for scrap parts is he? A great deal of the bike is custom. Its had a front end swap which is an improvement. If the aim was to get the best out of the SV then, with the front end change, you can go the full hog with the susp. & that would cost a bit. GSXR wheels of eBay are not magnesium, lightweight or new for that matter. If this an example, i don't see that as an exorbitant expense. Anyway its up to the man himself ultimately. Isn't is great to have an opinion?

Originally Posted by Runako

xXBADGERXx, didn't you just suggest a Yamaha SDR 200 swingarm swap? What, those are free these days? Look, i just made a suggestion. Does anyone know how much Todge has to spend? I don't. Of course there are priorities but a better set of wheels is achievable - whether GSXR or Marvic

Originally Posted by xXBADGERXx

No , I said have a LOOK at one , his original design featured a trellised swingarm , and I said "Imagine having a beefier version of that one the bike" .

Originally Posted by andrewsmith

Runako are you suggesting a 180 rear wheel conversion?
Do you know how much work is involved with that?

Badger suggested basing a swingarm on the SDR200 design

Originally Posted by Runako

Which would mean what, making one right? For the record, i agree. Lets see what Todge thinks.

And no Andrew, just better wheels than stock.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

I would not want marvics or whatever on a road bike.

Originally Posted by andrewsmith

So your talking race wheels which would be scrap after 500 miles and 1 pothole. If were talking changes from stock, you talking thing like ER6 and Kawa hoops which would require alot of measurement and fabrication to get right.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Just use 06> GSXR wheels, simple bit of machining and new spacers and it is done. Zoran sells kit. Very easy.

Originally Posted by Runako

Well I'll get the Marvics for my "road bike" Lol I don't make it a habit of finding potholes on the road and I seem to remember forged magnesium being tougher than the cast steel stuff.

Jeez, so many negatives. You can't do this or that's too hard. The reason this thread is so interesting is because this guy is doing something that not many people can/will do. I don't think a set of wheels is going to be his biggest obstacle. Look at the work he did with the design and fairing.

Anyway, my contribution was to suggest new wheels and at least I pointed out an alternative to stock that won't require alteration. You guys know much more about other stuff so i'll let you get on with giving Todge some more constructive feedback.

Originally Posted by xXBADGERXx

Go and do some homework and report back with your findings later on

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

He has cast steel wheels on his SV?

Originally Posted by xXBADGERXx

Shhhhh!!!

Originally Posted by Runako

Cast aluminium smartasses (homework done)! The point remains.

Anyway, why not better wheels if its within budget? Most of us are obviously ltd by budget but no matter what you buy it only takes one "off" to form a black hole in one's bank a/c.

You've all improved your own bikes. Some of you have two bikes (Chris) and some race. That's all money. So why hate on a suggestion for lighter, stronger wheels wheels? This is a bit off topic anyway. Looking forward to seeing your suggestions and comments for the rest of Todge's build.

Originally Posted by xXBADGERXx

Homework not even close , Magnesium Wheels are far more brittle than their Aluminium counterparts .

Originally Posted by Runako

Sigh, this is boring now ... had a look on the net before replying did we?

Ok then - not all aluminium wheels are of the same grade or strength. This is obvious from the properties of forged v cast alu wheels.

Forged mag can be stronger than cast alu (i.e. stock SV wheels) due to the method of production. Forged alu of a similar or near weight to forged mag can be stronger - correct. The key is in the weight differential and production method.

This discussion was about forged mag over cast SV alu wheels. Even cast mag may be stronger depending on weight. Unless you're gonna get really technical, lets move on as this discussion is pointless.

Its all down to personal choice. I respect your choice. You can respect my preference and we can leave it at that.

Originally Posted by xXBADGERXx

I didn`t have to look it up on the net at all so don`t be so condescending , having been around bikes for over 20 years to tend to pick up bits of info . In fact Yorkie Chris and I were discussing Magnesium Wheels in my Kitchen 2 weeks ago and nowhere near a PC .

Originally Posted by monkey

Give it a rest please fellas or I will come and slap you both with a big wet fish.
Thankyou very much.

Originally Posted by Runako

Well perhaps be a bit more generous in your comments. Even if you possess a greater knowledge, its pretty condescending to use the school master tone. The only intention of my comments were to suggest an alternative. I'll hold my hands up and take new info on board but i won't try to rubbish someone else for having an different opinion. Have we said enough yet? I hope so.

[mikerj]

On a track, lightweight wheels (be they magnesium or carbon) can make a substantial difference. On our potholed roads I think it would be madness to spend that kind of money on replacing the standard strong items with more fragile ones that only the best riders are going to appreciate anyway.

What about something like the braking forged aluminium ones from HPS? are they not lighter and stronger, a decent compromise and complete with discs for just over a grand!!

Why dont you add you're own poll? its easy ( i think) or is there some hoodoo thing you cant once somebody has posted on it?

I wouldnt bother with them on my bike, I cant afford them, and there are a few things I would spend the money on before aftermarket wheels. In the case of the custom bike that the discussion originated from, I would say a SSSA and underseat zorst would be on the list before wheels if it were mine.

I dont have any beef with aftermarket wheels in principle though, if I was building a money no object custom then it would probably have new wheels, more for the bling factor than any performance improvement. With regards to strength/performance over stock I dont really know enough about it to comment, although one would presume the lighter the better especially being unsprung weight.

It seems like the original argument was quite heated considering the guy just said he thought it would look good with some aftermarket wheels! lacking somewhat in substance though, will keep an eye on this thread.

personally i think most bike wheels suck big time. there all the same. Then you get somone like triumph, aprillia or a duc with something nice on them and it is one of the few reasons to make me think, ooh i wouldnt mind one of those....

[dizzyblonde]

As long as they are round with tyres on?

Or am I missing the point?

As for the poll, can't you just edit the original post? Theres a box at the bottom of the text box to 'add poll', you click the tick box (IIRC) then after that it takes you to a page where you can add the poll options.

PS Raptor wheels are awesome......VVVVVVNICEAYE!

I would happily throw some of those carbon beasties on me bike if i had the cash lying about, even for the road. They look awesome and you know the bike will handle even better!!

Has anyone on here actually ridden a bike with carbon wheels on?

[yorkie_chris]

Nope, I've ridden one with some fancy alloy one, light discs, Ti bolts etc. It is different but nothing to write home about. Certainly not a change I would spend £1000 on.

Don't suppose you got to do a back to back test with stock wheels then?

I think the carbon ones would make it feel quite different as they weigh about a third of stock or something ridiculous. And they look class! Crazy cash though, i could have an rs 250