Human Rights concern over rioters

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pair-incite...185441906.html
discuss, rant, rave and opinions please. There is no right or wrong answer and please respect others opinions BEFORE lambasting them.

Me I think it the whole Act should be torn up Victims get zero, criminals get everything.

[dizzyblonde]

I don't care who you are, or what you are, you go burn, pillage and destroy hard working peoples lives.....you get what you get.
Example to all, its not tolerable. You reap what you sow.
Fair enough its not exactly in line with a lot of other punishments for crimes, but I really don't care. I'll keep saying it, we've bred a nanny state, now it has to be dealt with.
Too many younger people with a voice they've never actually earned the right to use. A voice that blatantly disregards respect for their equals and any that have a far more worthy life. Give em ten years til they grow up a bit!

[timwilky]

As you say there is no right or wrong answer.

They were guilty of crimes that could have ended up in tragedy. You do have to wonder where the thin line lines between free speech and incitement in the case of the facebook warriors etc lies. Whilst normally I am on the side of hang them high. I do think some sentences have been excessive. Especially for early guilty pleas etc.

Personally I have no sympathy at all, this was a pre meditated act to incite a riot, this wasn't a spur of the moment thing, this was planned so they knew it was a serious thing and against the law.

Harsher penalties will have a effect on a lot of normal people who may get attracted to something like this in future.

By harsher I don't necessarily mean longer prison terms, long community service would be a better answer IMO as it would help communities that get affected by such things.

Taking a harsh line to less serious crimes has worked in the America in some states.

[dizzyblonde]

sorry.....am I the only one to look at the pair of them, and see a right pair of no hopers in front of me?

I was watching the One Show last night, and was quite interested in a scenario Dom was doing on wearing Hoodies. They had a middle aged fella walk up to people in a tshirt and ask for the time, and every person gave it. They then had the same fella in a hoodie do the same, and every person he asked gave him a wide berth.
First impressions do last. If they actually sat with a little more posture than looking like they've been hung from a coathanger terribly, someone looking in may not have a bad impression of them.


Its ok, when they come out they will be proficient in drug dealing, and hooked for life.

[SoulKiss]

When they behave like humans then they deserve the rights that brings.

[gruntygiggles]

I heard someone this morning say, "but they hadn't actually done anything had they, so why should they still go to prison?"

My response to this was...not all drink drivers actually end up mounting a kerb and killing someone or having a head on collision, BUT...they make a choice when getting behind the wheel drunk to have a blatant disregard for the safety of others and no-one bats an eye when they are given harsh sentences.

This is the same, they may not have actually caused harm in the end, but they were attempting to create a situation that would have a blatant disregard for others and so no...I don't care that they've been given harsh sentences.

For the justice system, it's damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Yes, human rights have to come into it somewhere, like perhaps making sure that prisoners get access to food and water, clean facilities and exercise. While they are getting TV's, games rooms, days out and more money spent on them than is spent on a law abiding citizen that's paid tax for 40+ years and is now struggling to keep warm in the winter I'm afraid I have little to no sympathy with any law breaker.

We need to redress the balance in this country.

"Human rights for rioters"----what about the rights of the people and businesses they have looted, plundered, burned and in some cases killed.

Within the realms of tolerance ,yes the punishment should be as harsh as the courts can apply otherwise this will be the thin end of the wedge.
High time the justice system stopped pussy footing about for violent crime.

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

When they behave like humans then they deserve the rights that brings.

Says it all really.

[gruntygiggles]

They could have been given 10 years...they were only given 4, so anyone shouting human rights needs to be grateful that the judge took into consideration the guilty pleas and the lack of previous conviction. These boys should be grateful!