Freeman or Freeloaders, lets decide.

[Dave20046]

from a freeloader/yorkshireman's point of view , what stuff can I get for cheaps by becoming a freeman?

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by markmoto

its a personal choice weither you choose to play the game or not, im not a freeloader so to who your refering to i have no idea.

@Blue pete yes indeed i do have insurance covering me to drive ride prity much anything

Did I say this was aimed at you personally? I only used the example you gave of the speeding summons to make a point.

Please don't think this personal, its not, I really would like to know how life will be in the Freeman Utopia.

It's just that you seem to be the sole advocate of this way of life, so I have to come to you for answers.

Even your reasonings for why you have made the choices you have would suffice.

If someone came on here and said "there should be no speed limits, and you can drive anywhere you want to on the road, left or right, AND you get to choose what the colours on a traffic light mean, as does everyone" there would be similar discussion (I hope). I would just like to see things from your point of view.

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Did I say this was aimed at you personally? I only used the example you gave of the speeding summons to make a point.

I still dont see how me not consenting to being charged a FPN some how makes me a freeloader or anything less than a man?

Please don't think this personal, its not, I really would like to know how life will be in the freeman utopia.

Fair enough

It's just that you seem to be the sole advocate of this way of life, so I have to come to you for answers.

On here i maybe the only one to speak out but i know for a fact that other people think similarly i wont mention names, it does not suprise me that others choose not to speak out because of all the negativity aimed towards me for posting things of an alternative nature.

Even your reasonings for why you have made the choices you have would suffice.

If someone came on here and said "there should be no speed limits, and you can drive anywhere you want to on the road, left or right, AND you get to choose what the colours on a traffic light mean, as does everyone" there would be similar discussion (I hope). I would just like to see things from your point of view.

I have no particular reason for choosing the path i have, it is just what felt right to me which is all anyone can ask of you.

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Originally Posted by Dave20046

from a freeloader/yorkshireman's point of view , what stuff can I get for cheaps by becoming a freeman?

I wouldnt know about that you may have missed the point, but it may help stop you being persecuted by a corrupt government and banking system.

Again i must add this is just my opinion of the system.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by markmoto

I still dont see how me not consenting to being charged a FPN some how makes me a freeloader or anything less than a man?

What is so special about you that you get to chose which RTA rules apply to you?

Originally Posted by markmoto

On here i maybe the only one to speak out but i know for a fact that other people think similarly i wont mention names, it does not suprise me that others choose not to speak out because of all the negativity aimed towards me for posting things of an alternative nature.

Is being afraid to speak out for fear of ridicule or sanction not the actions of a child/Slave?

Originally Posted by markmoto

I have no particular reason for choosing the path i have, it is just what felt right to me which is all anyone can ask of you.

How did you find your way on this path then?

You have managed to avoid supplying ANY substance to why we should all abandon the current system and follow your path.

Just like most of the FotL material I have read, oh other than "Lets stick it to The Man"

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

What is so special about you that you get to chose which RTA rules apply to you?

I didnt say i was special but i can choose how i want to conduct myself in regard to these matter's just as you and anyone else can.



Is being afraid to speak out for fear of ridicule or sanction not the actions of a child/Slave?

Possibly but i wouldnt make that statement again people have the right to choose what they want to do or say so long as they arnt verbaly attacking anyone.



How did you find your way on this path then?

You have managed to avoid supplying ANY substance to why we should all abandon the current system and follow your path.

I havent suggested that anyone should abandon the current system and follw me, i have merely suggested that people learn the rule's to play the game better, after all who in their right mind would play a game with out knowing the rules. If and when i get any personal success i would be happy to share them with anyone interested, other than that i have only other's people's account's to go on.

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I just want something cleared up for me, and that thing is the distinction between Common law and Primary Legislation/Statute law.

As far as I am aware, Statute Law (that what is cooked up in them Houses of Commons) are the laws that are enacted by those we have elected to that position to govern us in our representative democracy. These are things like the Road Traffic Act, the Anti-Terror acts et cetera. These are relatively rigid, requiring another act of parliament to amend or strike them down.

Common Law, on the other hand, is the living, breathing side of UK law and, in other countries, is referred to as case law: it is a law of precedents, set by judicial decisions in reference to a certain act, in that it interprets the specific wording and spirit of legislation where there are grey areas. This is 'living' as these precedents can be upheld or struck down by judicial decisions on a day-to-day basis (although normally by a higher-tier court), depending (to a certain extent) on the prevailing political Zeitgeist.

An example of this would be Ladd v Marshall (1954), which set the precedent for the presentation of fresh evidence to a court following the passing of a judgement - there was no act of parliament, but there IS a legally binding precedent that is still in effect.

That means that the use of the Common Law excuse is moot; if a judgement has been passed in any UK court involving Statute law, it becomes de facto Common Law through precedent, and any old common law has been superseded by either Primary legislation or case law.

(At least that's how I interpret it from my research and dad's explanation)

Oh, and also as far as I'm aware you have to be made a freeman (if we're taking it in the literal sense, a Freeman is someone who has been declared as to not be bound to the Lord upon whose land they live), you have to be granted your freeman-nes, it's not automatic.

All i will say further on this matter is if anyone is the slightest bit interested in possibly finding a way to reclaim some of their lost power then research freeman on the land you will no doubt find some very intersting information. Only approach this if you have an open mind.

[SoulKiss]

Please don't reply in-quote, it makes replying a pain, I took the time to show you courtesy by correcting it last time, but if you wont return that, well I wont bother doing it again.

You play the Freeman word games well, you slither and slime all over the place, refusing to answer questions.

By living in this country, by using the services provided by the state, whether it was your own personal choice or not, you are bound by decency if not law to abide by the rules it has set, whether they be called "laws" or something else.

By saying you should not take the punishment for the breach of these rules you ARE saying that you are special, that they dont apply to you.

As for the child/Slave thing - don't be so quick to bandy it about at others when you just duck it yourself when its levelled at you, but hey, that seems to be the Freeman way.

Awwww you want to limit communication too? nothing that can be construed as an attack, which is technically an whan argument is, an attack on someones viewpoint. I guess thats where the lack of substance comes from.

The rules of the game are already out there. There are paths to make change happen, form a political party, gain a following, get power, make change. All the Freeman movement is trying to achieve is to bend the rules and cheat at the game.

Fine me examples of where Freeman ethics/ideology benefits the movement as a group other than the individual.

Oh and if you say its about the individual, well that just is NEVER going to work in a situation where more than a few people are trying to live in community.

Jamesy, in Scotland common law crimes are not case laws, they are described as having been law since "time immemorial". In other words, they have been the law of the land pretty much since society was formed.