Freeman or Freeloaders, lets decide.

[Bri w]

A quote from the Freeman website, "nothing on here will have a price tag." Next page advertises the Freeman book at "£8.99"

Mmm.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by markmoto

All i will say further on this matter is if anyone is the slightest bit interested in possibly finding a way to reclaim some of their lost power then research freeman on the land you will no doubt find some very intersting information. Only approach this if you have an open mind.

So only the "open minded" can understand or appreciate the movement.

Heres a situation for you, everyone declares themself a Freeman, we switch over to that system.

Ok, so who "rules" who makes the policies that affect us all?

Remember that the Kings and Queens of the world only got there because somewhere in their ancestry was someone who was a bigger, stronger, more murderous b'stard than everyone else at the time.

Refusal to discuss your views in an open forum is just a sign of how invalid your arguments are.

Go on, I have an open mind, (I got ABS on my bike) try and convince me.

"What is a Freeman-on-the-land? Well, it isn't someone who remains outside the law. No-one is outside the law, so this is not a proposition for anarchy.
But - it all depends on what is meant by 'law'.
And that's the catch. What you have grown up to assume is 'the law' is not, in point of fact, the law.
That's The Grand Deception. Hitler was right: "If the lie is big enough, the People will fall for it".
Once you know the deception, and what the law actually is, you'll realise how the wool has been firmly and deliberately pulled over your eyes, your parent's eyes, and those of everyone you know."

Read this all with interest (and confusion) and having found the above, i guess (for me) its clear what mm is saying and i am sure it doesnt end there either. (and each to their own - i'm a "go with the flow kinda girl )

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by SuzukiNess

"What is a Freeman-on-the-land? Well, it isn't someone who remains outside the law. No-one is outside the law, so this is not a proposition for anarchy.
But - it all depends on what is meant by 'law'.
And that's the catch. What you have grown up to assume is 'the law' is not, in point of fact, the law.
That's The Grand Deception. Hitler was right: "If the lie is big enough, the People will fall for it".
Once you know the deception, and what the law actually is, you'll realise how the wool has been firmly and deliberately pulled over your eyes, your parent's eyes, and those of everyone you know."

Read this all with interest (and confusion) and having found the above, i guess (for me) its clear what mm is saying and i am sure it doesnt end there either. (and each to their own - i'm a "go with the flow kinda girl )

Good, now can you find where on their site that it lists, article by article, what the "law actually is", what they suggest we abide by?

That is other than articles to prove how the Fractional Reserve is a con and therefor loans taken out and debts incurred should be ignoreable.

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Good, now can you find where on their site that it lists, article by article, what the "law actually is", what they suggest we abide by?

naah, cant be arsed.. cos it dont interest me that much (and my post was just a kinda clear up what confused me about what mm was saying)

Hey look I'm just glad theres people around that will challenge convention, challenge the law and challenge belief systems. I don't think we should be frightened or defensive, I think we should embrace it.

Furthermore I think it's why we've come so far as a country and have helped develop a far from perfect but perhaps the best social/ political system there is. Democracy. It's greed and human nature that have pervaded the essence of democracy.

I think what we see with movements like the Freeman action is a reaction to the general feeling of powerlessness and frustration towards the politicians, bureaucrats and freeloaders that are in authority. History is full of examples of strong reactionary forces against unjust regimes and conditions and those forces turn revolutionary and often result in more extreme and harmful regimes than which they sought to overthrow. We should watch out and not convince ourselves that every 5 years is the time to seek a change, we should keep at it even if it's boring, whatever your political persuasion.

Blow it, I like to see some positive action and people that care enough to protest. It helps check the balance of law and keeps power makers on their toes and accountable. Just because it's law doesn't make it right. You've got to get the balance of forces right or you'll full off?

Good for you for trying Mark but sometimes commitment can come across as patronising.
Also if you think the alternative is a return to sovereign rule as it appeared to me on one of your sites, you can doff your hat to HRH but I ain't buying it.

Anyway this is Idle Banter not Question time, where's the poll for Mayonaisse or Salad Cream?

PS. Soulkiss, after that lot can I still borrow that tent for the AR?

[Biker Biggles]

However you look at it I think it is anarchy.Having been thrown out of the anarchists for "failing to obey the rules" it's far too authoritarian for me.

There are plenty of societies in the world where there is less "control" shall we say. Much of Africa for instance. My best friend lives in Mexico. In these places you can pretty much do as you please. If the police get involved in anything, it's because they are about to fleece you, whilst using the law as an excuse, not because they want to uphold any law. My friend in Mexico lives in a guarded compound, surrounded by barbed wire and electrified fencing, and takes his daughter every day in an bulletproof SUV, to a school in a compound surrounded by barbed wire and electrified fencing. Another friend recently left everything he owns in Libya and returned to the UK with a holdall. People who know both sides of the coin will usually tell you how lucky you are to live in the UK.

[TamSV]

"Hitler was right: "If the lie is big enough, the People will fall for it".

He was right? He was ****ing right??

Who in their right mind quotes Mein Kampf to make a point?

Hitler wasn't talking about himself, he was talking about the Jews.

Originally Posted by TamSV

"Hitler was right: "If the lie is big enough, the People will fall for it".

He was right? He was ****ing right??

Who in their right mind quotes Mein Kampf to make a point?

Hitler wasn't talking about himself, he was talking about the Jews.

Godwins Law is true.

Hitler has been mentioned, therefore the argument reduces to zero.

Never. Mention. Hitler.