Freeman or Freeloaders, lets decide.

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

So in this anarchy, I can decide that no one can own anything, and that I can take it off you without you having any recourse other than try and stop me.

So to stop you from stopping me from taking your shiny motorbike that I like the look of (I'll leave you my "only just runs" CG125 so that I dont deprive you of your right to movement on 2 wheels) I'll knock you out/drug you /whatever first.

What happens next in Oz/Narnia/The Magic Faraway Tree ?

By your last quote I take it that you are actually admitting that we do not currently live in a police state? So whats your beef with it?

This definition of anarchy sum's it up for me :

"Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals" Emma Goldman

Oh and yes i do believe we are living in the beginning's of what is a police state, and i dont have any beef with it as i have never had a bad experience of the police YET! but i know other's who have and they would certainly agree it is a police state, and we dont have the freedom's we used to have. I am just choosing to start questioning thing's that is all and what's so terrible about that??!

The debate is getting abit boring now, if you want to know more then research it if not then go back to sleep and believe it's all ok.

Thing is...remove the things that are 'restricting' us internally, and everything from the outside jumps in and has their fun.

My father happens to be one of those people whose job it is to protect us from the 'hidden enemy'...you remove him (and others like him who do the same job) and we'd all be pretty royally screwed.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by markmoto

This definition of anarchy sum's it up for me :

"Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals" Emma Goldman

Oh and yes i do believe we are living in the beginning's of what is a police state, and i dont have any beef with it as i have never had a bad experience of the police YET! but i know other's who have and they would certainly agree it is a police state, and we dont have the freedom's we used to have. I am just choosing to start questioning thing's that is all and what's so terrible about that??!

And you know why this (and communism) never work?

They are based on the principal that everyone is equal.

Trouble is, its Human Nature to want to be more equal than everyone else.

The difference between Anarchy and Communism, Anarchy is even more of a bad idea than Communism, hence why there have been Communist States where there have been no Anachist States (well there was Somalia I guess, but the Islamic Court States just helped themselves to chunks of it.)

In order for any group of Humans to function at larger than an extended family size there needs to be a system of control, which ultimately needs one person, or a small group to judge what is best for everybody.

Originally Posted by markmoto

but i know other's who have and they would certainly agree it is a police state

Then they don't have a f*****g clue what a police state is.

Originally Posted by Jamesy D

Thing is...remove the things that are 'restricting' us internally, and everything from the outside jumps in and has their fun.

My father happens to be one of those people whose job it is to protect us from the 'hidden enemy'...you remove him (and others like him who do the same job) and we'd all be pretty royally screwed.

Who exactly is this hidden army?

[TamSV]

Anarchy's not the answer. Great in theory until a bigger "social group" moves in upstream and starts ****ing in your drinking water. What do you do if they've got more guns than you? There will always be someone that wants to sit on the top of the tree.

Like any system it would be perverted by human nature.

I can relate to the concern over loss of civil liberties. Politicians are so eager to be seen to be "tough" on crime/terrorism etc that they often go too far and we need to be alert to that. But police state? Nah, nowhere near.

As I said in another thread, I would have resisted compulsory ID cards and if we were becoming a police state I'd be the first to the barricades. However, my aim would be to restore a representative democracy, flawed as it is.

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

And you know why this (and communism) never work?

They are based on the principal that everyone is equal.

Trouble is, its Human Nature to want to be more equal than everyone else.

The difference between Anarchy and Communism, Anarchy is even more of a bad idea than Communism, hence why there have been Communist States where there have been no Anachist States (well there was Somalia I guess, but the Islamic Court States just helped themselves to chunks of it.)

In order for any group of Humans to function at larger than an extended family size there needs to be a system of control, which ultimately needs one person, or a small group to judge what is best for everybody.

I agree there need's to be order please dont think i am an anarchist i just said i would rather take my chance's than live under a police state, what we have at present isnt order its a mochary hanging onto order by the skin of it's teeth.

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by markmoto

This definition of anarchy sum's it up for me :

"Anarchism stands for the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It stands for a social order based on the free grouping of individuals" Emma Goldman

Oh and yes i do believe we are living in the beginning's of what is a police state, and i dont have any beef with it as i have never had a bad experience of the police YET! but i know other's who have and they would certainly agree it is a police state, and we dont have the freedom's we used to have. I am just choosing to start questioning thing's that is all and what's so terrible about that??!

But that is only one definition of anarchism. (Modern)Anarchism actually has its roots in religion, where people put religion before state.

To liberate individuals, and then talk about free grouping is contradictory although this is another form of anarchy, anarchaic syndicalism. This is still based on a form of of socio-communism. And as everyone know there isn't a communist state in the world where freedom of the individual is anywhere near a priority. Pure communism is very close to religion, and now we're back where we started.

Another aspect of Freeman of the land that is contradictory is the belief in common law but the refusal to accept that common law comes from the exercise of natural justice that leads to many precedents in law. You can't have your cake and eat it...

And whilst law is a bone of contention you have to ask what the majority of laws are for, i.e. to protect the individual and the society they live in. By advocating the end of law you are taking away the protection that so many weaker individuals need. Whilst Utopia is a grand ambition, it has to be tempered with what is practical for all levels of society from the strong to the weak.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Jamesy D

Thing is...remove the things that are 'restricting' us internally, and everything from the outside jumps in and has their fun.

My father happens to be one of those people whose job it is to protect us from the 'hidden enemy'...you remove him (and others like him who do the same job) and we'd all be pretty royally screwed.

If your dad is ever made redundant with the rest of his team, dibs on Kate Wales (nee Middleton) if I am to be screwed by a pretty Royal