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Old 11-11-07, 01:08 PM   #11
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As a foreigner i dont observe the 2 mins silence either..

I wasnt born in this country and no one gave their life for ME as an individual. They fought for what they belived in at the time not so that i could come and live here many years later.

Also there are many people, foreigners and brits alike who are very upset by the UKs foreign policy ad see wearing a poppy or observing a silence as a complicit agreement to foreign policy..
Maybe this lady and others like her should be allowed to do what the hell they please as opposed to having some narrow minded person giving her dirty looks cos shes still walking.

tell me, do you expect everyone walkign along the street to stop too? Or all traffic to stop for that matter?

I agree far more with Big Ape...whats the point if life carries on as it was right afterward? Is just sheep being sheep and doing as they are expected to. Yet for the rest of the year most of those same people probably watch the news and all the death...weather it be brit/afghan/iraqi just washes over them.

I also know plenty of brits who keep their poppy for "next year" yet surely the whole point of the poppy is to BUY one EVERY year to give money to the charity, no?
Yet these peeps just wanna be seen as "fitting in" so they dont get ridiculed, they actually couldnt give a damn about those who gave their lives.

So tell me again why this lady should have stopped walking?
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Old 11-11-07, 01:21 PM   #12
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So tell me again why this lady should have stopped walking?
Because Hovis will now ensure she has a miserable time at every opportunity.-As I would too, she may not have any respect for the occasion, but should show some consideration towards the other people present.
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Old 11-11-07, 01:31 PM   #13
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Because Hovis will now ensure she has a miserable time at every opportunity.-As I would too, she may not have any respect for the occasion, but should show some consideration towards the other people present.

But its a 2 minute SILENCE and the lady in question showed her consideration by not saying "Oi, turn that bloddy telly off i dont want to know about these things!" or anything like that did she?
No she allowed it to happen around her and kept her mouth shut...but she didnt stop walking and now shes going to be persecuted by Hovis for it?
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Old 11-11-07, 01:38 PM   #14
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I also know plenty of brits who keep their poppy for "next year" yet surely the whole point of the poppy is to BUY one EVERY year to give money to the charity, no?
Yet these peeps just wanna be seen as "fitting in" so they dont get ridiculed, they actually couldnt give a damn about those who gave their lives.

So tell me again why this lady should have stopped walking?
It's like when everyone on TV has a poppy on - and you just know their agent put it on seconds before they went in front of a camera. The great media delusion.

It's two minutes to reflect on everyone lost in every war. It's not necessary, it's not law, but if you're in a place with others respecting the atrocities taken place in history then take notice. Whether that means stopping running simply to keep the room quiet or turn your bike engine off for passers by in the street, it's a little effort that means a lot.
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as it says a minutes silence. the woman was not talking. she could well have been thinking about those lost in the war or maybe doesnt give a hoot. either way its her choice. 2 min silence is a lot of mince I feel. most people will not be thinking about those lost in the war during the silence. I agree with it when you are at some sort of parade, I used to do the parade at the guild hall in portsmouth when in the wrens. It meant something then and was a very sombre occassion but stopping work or gym or shopping and standing there means nothing really.

the kids at the school sat quietly but didnt know why. I feel they should be informed about why they are doing it as opposed to just when the bell rings stop talking, when bell rings again carry on.

oh and I carried on talking quiety during the silence as a child was having a reaction to nuts. those around me were flapping their arms to get me to shut up. oh sorry boy can you choke quietly Ill deal with you in 2 minutes.

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Old 11-11-07, 02:00 PM   #16
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all fair comments, & i relise that she may have been thinking about the victims of war...........

i just feel that as she was in a public place, and everybody else in the gym stoped what they were doing, she should have done so, she did get the odd look off a few people.
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It's two minutes to reflect on everyone lost in every war. It's not necessary, it's not law, but if you're in a place with others respecting the atrocities taken place in history then take notice. Whether that means stopping running simply to keep the room quiet or turn your bike engine off for passers by in the street, it's a little effort that means a lot.
No, as Kitkat said its supposed to be 1 minute traditionaly and its not to remember everyone lost in every war at all.

The noun Remembrance Sunday has one meaning:

Meaning #1: (United Kingdom and Canada) the Sunday nearest to November 11 when those who died in World War I and World War II are commemorated


And as you can seee its only "celebrated" in Canada and UK so how does that cover everyone lost in every war?

And now you suggest that i should turn the bike engine off for passers by? Are you some kind of nuts? I work in the West End...do you think busses and taxis stop running for 2 mins? yet you expect that i should turn my bike off to please narrow minded fools like you?
FFS grow up and think before you post or at least check some facts before you think you can tell others what this day is all about.
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No, as Kitkat said its supposed to be 1 minute traditionaly and its not to remember everyone lost in every war at all.

The noun Remembrance Sunday has one meaning:

Meaning #1: (United Kingdom and Canada) the Sunday nearest to November 11 when those who died in World War I and World War II are commemorated


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On the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month in 1918 the guns of Europe fell silent. After four years of the most bitter and devastating fighting, The Great War was finally over. The Armistice was signed at 5am in a railway carriage in the Forest of Compiegne, France on November 11, 1918. Six hours later, at 11am, the war ended.

The first Remembrance Day was conducted in 1919 throughout Britain and the Commonwealth. Originally called Armistice Day, it commemorated the end of hostilities the previous year. It came to symbolise the end of the war and provide an opportunity to remember those who had died.

After the end of the Second World War in 1945 Armistice Day became Remembrance Day to include all those who had fallen in the two World Wars and later conflicts.
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Old 11-11-07, 02:41 PM   #19
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No, as Kitkat said its supposed to be 1 minute traditionaly and its not to remember everyone lost in every war at all.

The noun Remembrance Sunday has one meaning:

Meaning #1: (United Kingdom and Canada) the Sunday nearest to November 11 when those who died in World War I and World War II are commemorated


And as you can seee its only "celebrated" in Canada and UK so how does that cover everyone lost in every war?

And now you suggest that i should turn the bike engine off for passers by? Are you some kind of nuts? I work in the West End...do you think busses and taxis stop running for 2 mins? yet you expect that i should turn my bike off to please narrow minded fools like you?
FFS grow up and think before you post or at least check some facts before you think you can tell others what this day is all about.
It was stated as an open-ended comment not a firm statement; relating to what to do in the right situation. I wouldn't drive past a memorial parade with an exhaust blaring if I could avoid it.
If I was working driving through busy streets then I would carry on; life does. I wouldn't however dress as a German soldier and walk through a synagogue.
And Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus? Traditional events take on additional or varied roles over time. To remember strictly the people who fought for you personally is a very selfish view. I'm neither Jewish or German yet the holocaust deserves some serious thought.
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