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Old 25-02-09, 03:37 PM   #41
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Im quite good at understanding things... kinda worked it out tbh Go me

I dont often do it consciously, I can lean fast enough without forcing the bike to do it, though im a pretty strong little git so maybe im putting in a lot of effort of the bat?, and dont need to think about it...
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Old 25-02-09, 05:46 PM   #42
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Im quite good at understanding things... kinda worked it out tbh Go me

I dont often do it consciously, I can lean fast enough without forcing the bike to do it, though im a pretty strong little git so maybe im putting in a lot of effort of the bat?, and dont need to think about it...
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Old 26-02-09, 04:12 PM   #43
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That's counter steering. Active counter steering is, IMO, different.

Active counter steering is using the bars/clip-ons to produce the effect of the bike leaning over rapidly - as above, usually when taking evasive action (flick one side then the other, not cornering).

You can lean the bike over without consciously moving the bars/clip-ons, just that it doesn't come over anywhere near as quickly.

I know of a few riders, and very good riders at that, who are still unsure about whether counter steering even exists!
That's exactly what I mean, using Active Counter Steering I can flip from a left lean to a right with no effort at all. Before I discovered this my cornering manouvers were far slower as I was using more of my body weight to try and get the bike to lean.
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Old 26-02-09, 04:18 PM   #44
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My understanding of this dark art is this---
We all counter steer all the time or the bike would not go round corners and we would fall off.
Active counter steering is a much more positive and deliberate push on the bars to make it happen far quicker than just riding without thinking about it.Just more of the same really.
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Old 26-02-09, 04:23 PM   #45
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My instructor told me about it after my cbt.

He said to me that it wasnt something they teach on cbt level as it can be too much for new riders.
Its taught on pre test and advanced lessons at the school I went to.

I dont understand how pushing the bars left will drop the bike quicker to the right and vice versa but I do know it works
I couldn't disagree more, not with you but the policy of not teaching it on a CBT. The whole reason I started this post was because I was following a moped rider a few weeks ago who was a very inexperienced rider. We were going through a tight S bend and I could see he was desperate to show off his skills to me but was nervous at the same time. I decided to hang back and as we went through the S bend he was hanging off the scooter to try and get round the bend. He veered right across the road which forced him to take the second part of the blind bend on the wrong side of the road. Luckily for him nothing was coming around the bend at the time. I went round the bends at the same speed and could have done it a lot faster, but as I used Active Counter Steering I stayed on the correct side of the road.

If he had been taught Active Counter Steering on his CBT this would not have happened.
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Old 26-02-09, 04:29 PM   #46
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But thats just riding beyond ability.
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Old 26-02-09, 04:30 PM   #47
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If he had been taught Active Counter Steering on his CBT this would not have happened.
He could avoided it in the first place, by not deciding to impress you with his "skillz" its much better to not get into a mess in the first place than to rely on techniques to get you out of a mess you should'nt have got into in the first place.

Thing it with Active Counter Steering if does make the bike change direction very quickly. I had enough to cope with on my CBT with just working out what on earth was going on let alone trying to get my head round physics and gyroscopic forces at work. I really dont think I would have taken it in. I taught myself it in the end...
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Old 26-02-09, 04:34 PM   #48
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The thing with a CBT is that a lot of the people (not all) doing them have never even touched a bike before.
If you try to teach them too much its not going to do them any good to start with.
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I couldn't disagree more, not with you but the policy of not teaching it on a CBT. The whole reason I started this post was because I was following a moped rider a few weeks ago who was a very inexperienced rider. We were going through a tight S bend and I could see he was desperate to show off his skills to me but was nervous at the same time. I decided to hang back and as we went through the S bend he was hanging off the scooter to try and get round the bend. He veered right across the road which forced him to take the second part of the blind bend on the wrong side of the road. Luckily for him nothing was coming around the bend at the time. I went round the bends at the same speed and could have done it a lot faster, but as I used Active Counter Steering I stayed on the correct side of the road.

If he had been taught Active Counter Steering on his CBT this would not have happened.

I'm also guessing that your bike handles a damn sight better than a scooter too...
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He could avoided it in the first place, by not deciding to impress you with his "skillz" its much better to not get into a mess in the first place than to rely on techniques to get you out of a mess you should'nt have got into in the first place.

Thing it with Active Counter Steering if does make the bike change direction very quickly. I had enough to cope with on my CBT with just working out what on earth was going on let alone trying to get my head round physics and gyroscopic forces at work. I really dont think I would have taken it in. I taught myself it in the end...
Again I could not disagree more, had he not been so lucky he would have been killed or seriously injured.

The pont is at 16 and 17 years of age, you have not developed the road skills you need to survive, especially on a bike or moped. Surely teaching this skill will stop inexperienced riders from getting in this type of situation in the first place.
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