News story link - death crash horror gore etc etc all on video.

What the car did or didn't do, or what the biker should have done is completely irrelevant.

The bike was moving at silly speeds, as Fizz has pointed out that bike will appear out of nowhere at those speeds. The cage driver could have performed a textbook maneouvre perfectly and in the split second between checking his mirrors, making a decision and executing a maneouvre, the bike enters the equation.

Cars on the road are not driven by people with skills like Lewis Hamilton, and they can't be expected to see a bike coming when it is doing 170mph.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by sam hagger

Would you really want to see it? How much of the link did you read?!

Yes, absolutely!
It's a good learning experience.

It's not as if they showed any gore, I'm glad it's still available in a couple of places shame it's not as high quality

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

This guy just didn't give a **** what the concequenses were for his family.

Yeah, I have my silly moments, but 170mph ??

170 is just a number.

You don't expect to die when you do anything a bit silly, and your idea of a silly moment on an SV is exactly the same as these lads doing 170 on -10R. The difference in capabilities is rather marked.

[Stu]

Very well said Chris.
I didn't see very* much wrong with the entire video. The fateful overtake was just a result of things going very quickly wrong.


*Definitely not suicidal/homicidal although obviously not textbook.

I'm sure they didn't go out without a care in the world to their families, it's just that it went a bit wrong.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by aran

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...15302429?f=rss

Thanks for the link, the second one shows a longer vid if anyone is interested. Their riding seems fast but controlled for most of the rest of the vid and at the point of the crash the car is clearly going for the overtake first. Why the biiker at the front decided to go as well is beyond me tho. Its does seem to me that he was out to be faster than his mate who was filming as he was a fair bit ahead before they join up again at the roundabout and then he wants to be in front again even tho his mate who is filming is better positined to pass the cars in front.

And as others have said, he clearly wasnt doig 170 when it all wnet wrong but tbh no atter what the speed he should never have gone for that overtake there but then again how many of us have had close shaves on a spirited ridw and only after the fact thought of what could have been but for the grace of god.

Surely the overtaking car would've been quite close to the camper/thing on the other side of the road?

I have been that car in a similar situation ( a473 on way to pembroke)

3 lane rd narrowing to 2 with zig zags

i check my mirrors as often in the car as on the bike

So mirror checked indicate mirror went for it ( in a not slow car ) at which point a brand new R1 flies up along side me clips the back and goes into the hedge lucky that nothing was comming

and i know that unless the bike was behind the car for a while there is a good chance that the car dirver didn't even see him

(took traffic cams to clear me of dangerous driving R! guy alright but he was a born agin 45 yr old on this 5 ride since buying the bike )

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by chasey

Surely the overtaking car would've been quite close to the camper/thing on the other side of the road?

Yeh, it would have been. Not the best overtake by the car dirver for sure....but he was going for it first so the biker was just so wrong to go too. And paid the ultimate price for his lack of self control.

When i first read the article it made it sound as tho it happened while they were in a high speed section of their ride. Seeing the vid now they were only seconds away from leaving a roundabout and full of adrenalin from the speeds they had hit before they got to the roundabout...and one of them was determined to get back up to those speeds as quick as possible. Such a shame.

[phi-dan]

The road at that point is quite wide, although not wide enough for two marked lanes in each direction. It's common practice for vehicles coming into the roundabout to arrange themselves into two orderly lines. Similarly it's common for vehicles coming off the roundabout to go for a quick overtake to get past slower traffic rather than wait for the second lane at the top of the hill. Put both circumstances together and it gets pretty tight. I've seen a fair number of near misses there, and this one didn't work out.

Got to remember 90mph is 40m/s: you can check your mirrors, see a bike a good 100m away and then prepare to pull out, only to find it right up your backside.

Originally Posted by sunshine

we all know that but when you first have a bike you have to test its power.

the crash wasnt at 150+ tho only 90 which in my mind is quite normal when overtaking on a road like that on a bike that sized.

If this is what you honestly think and you're not just trolling then it's pretty sad. There's better places to find out how fast your bike is than a public road filled with other cars, plus 90mph is excessive for an overtake like that. Hell, that's not overtaking, it's high speed filtering.