"33bhp?" Yes "i dont believe you, I'll seize your bike and take you to court"

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Fishtits

I have absolutely no idea what the procedure will be for the dyno testing.

Does that make sense... Or am I talking nonsense...? :S

Have you ever known dyno testing take place? I have never heard of it. A chassis dyno is not cheap and is NOT accurate or scientific for obtaining a pure number, their only use is comparative. I.E back to back runs to ensure a fair test.
(for the reasons embee gave above).

You make sense but I believe your logic is flawed, IMO, the rider with a certificate at the ready is less likely to be restricted. If I was going to flout the restriction law, not that I have ever done that, I would have my reasoning behind my restriction ready and waiting with a smile for any law enforcement officer.
Since of course, you can get a certificate on eBay for a tenner.

Originally Posted by Fishtits

Which is what I said... There's no legal requirement.

Yeah that's fine if you choose not to have a copy, I'm only trying to offer an insight from the other side of the scenario as to how being able to produce it at the roadside might help your cause.

I gather there's a few Coppers here, maybe they'd like to comment on if they agree with me, or whether such a document would hold no weight whatsoever for them. Maybe I'm alone in my opinion on such a document being produced!

Not carrying a certificate isn't a choice for me at the moment (bike is sub 33bhp) The one I'm looking at at the moment if i get will need restricting, not liking having to pay 150 quid to restrict it for 4 months but the cost of the tests if i had to do them again off sets that if I cant get some one to measure me the restrictors. What if they didnt believe my bike was sub 33bhp? I cant show them a restriction certificate because one doesent exist

Originally Posted by Fishtits

Which is what I said... There's no legal requirement.

Yeah that's fine if you choose not to have a copy, I'm only trying to offer an insight from the other side of the scenario as to how being able to produce it at the roadside might help your cause.

I gather there's a few Coppers here, maybe they'd like to comment on if they agree with me, or whether such a document would hold no weight whatsoever for them. Maybe I'm alone in my opinion on such a document being produced!

Think me and Husky both disagree with you on this..

Would a dyno print out with a certificate be better evidence than just a random certificate ?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Have you ever known dyno testing take place? I have never heard of it. A chassis dyno is not cheap and is NOT accurate or scientific for obtaining a pure number, their only use is comparative. I.E back to back runs to ensure a fair test.
(for the reasons embee gave above).

You make sense but I believe your logic is flawed, IMO, the rider with a certificate at the ready is less likely to be restricted. If I was going to flout the restriction law, not that I have ever done that, I would have my reasoning behind my restriction ready and waiting with a smile for any law enforcement officer.
Since of course, you can get a certificate on eBay for a tenner.

AFAIK, it's never been done in my force. Would imagine the only time they would spend the money to do it would be if there was a fatal or potential fatal RTC.

[yorkie_chris]

MBK those are my exact thoughts too, but TBH a potential fatal accident you won't be able to get the bike onto a dyno, so it would go to some sort of crash investigator who would check physically IMO.

Originally Posted by BanditPat

Not carrying a certificate isn't a choice for me at the moment (bike is sub 33bhp) The one I'm looking at at the moment if i get will need restricting, not liking having to pay 150 quid to restrict it for 4 months but the cost of the tests if i had to do them again off sets that if I cant get some one to measure me the restrictors. What if they didnt believe my bike was sub 33bhp? I cant show them a restriction certificate because one doesent exist

Mej (maybe) found it cheaper to do the accelerated access test than to get his GSXR restricted for 6 months.

I think you'd be OK with yours because it's only a little bike, it's plausible even to the most determinedly retarded copper that a 250 might make <33bhp.

I've never heard of it taking place but then I've never seized a bike for failing to be restricted.

Another possible outcome which hasn't been discussed is that the Officers could have issued an FPN for Driving other than in accordance. In theory the offence committed is the same as riding on your CBT with no L-plates... You wouldn't seize a bike for no L-plate... Or at least, I wouldn't!

I take your point with regard to someone who had removed their restriction producing their cert, and if they pull a fast one so be it - we can't catch them all - but for the decent law-abiding folk I would think it would make sense to try as best you can to be able to prove your point.

Perhaps we're going to have to agree to disagree, but from my point of view as a serving Copper, being able to produce such paperwork would be enough for you to keep your bike if I was thinking of seizing it.

If you get one over on me then fair enough, but I still believe most people are truthful, so if for everyone 1 that gets away I give a couple of decent people the benefit of the doubt, then that's a good thing in my opinion.

But I completely get where you're coming from.

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

Think me and Husky both disagree with you on this..

So you'd be seizing all bikes you thought to be unrestricted, even if the rider produced paperwork to the contrary..?

[yorkie_chris]

I hope they would take no action unless the rider had done something to give reasonable grounds to think it wasn't restricted!

Originally Posted by Fishtits

Another possible outcome which hasn't been discussed is that the Officers could have issued an FPN for Driving other than in accordance. In theory the offence committed is the same as riding on your CBT with no L-plates... You wouldn't seize a bike for no L-plate... Or at least, I wouldn't!

Actually the fair and just around here seized my mates bike for a missing front L plate, it had torn off and the remnants were still attached.

But it looks like he's got no ticket of any kind including a fixed penalty notice.

[Ch00]

I can't say that I have stopped a 33bhp bike as of yet, so I havent come across this, but as Fishtits has said it have to be pretty cut and dry before any vehicle gets towed away. Any shadow of doubt on my part and they keep it.