It's another Poll! ;-) WIKILEAKS....

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Nope, completely disagree. It's not for a bunch of redneck war-happy idiots to dispose of anyone.

The world isn't "itching to fight against each other". Wars cost money and are a risky business. You think a bit of a red face is going to start WW3? Maybe in 1970...

I have to disagree with you, north korea are looking to fight anyone who wants it, the middle east are always gonna fight, to mention a few.
You or anyone tell me why we need to be 'leaked' this sh1te, what are we gonna gain from it?
I dont know all the stuff 'leaked', but what i have heard doesnt interest me in the slightest, in fact im sure a lot of other people feel the same.
I got enough to worry about.
Not sure how much could damage things to a point where it affects national security but why bother trying to find out?

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by Tommy H

It doesn't matter if it has reduced the national security of the US, and they don't have to proove it. What is true is that there are people who work at these places who are not military, and tomorrow there is an increased risk for those people. Not because there is anything there worth them targetting, but because this guy said it was important to the US.

And you think johnny explody is going to bomb an secure antivenom factory in Australia instead of a crowded public place in the US? Never in a million years would they take the former over the latter - the whole point of terrorism is to instil terror, bombing a factory on the other side of the world will not instil the terror of a good 'ol christmas hometown bombing in the US, and be much harder to pull off

There is no increased risk, unless Russia decides to start world war three 'cause the only threat to these facilities listed in one of a quarter of a million cables is another state, one with the resources and motive to try and take down the US

Chris wars don't only cost money they generate it too! it's just that the money is made by the capitolists! i.e. mega corps like DOW and EXXON.

Dave you supprise me at your choice being a fellow DRat did you not notice all the dodgy **** going on with the US intel?

Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf

It's not an enlightenment, if you can't see the public benefit in exposing lies and corruption then there's not much anybody can do for you

If it makes you feel better substitute "discussion" into my previous post, it means exactly the same thing...

Wolfie, being the argumentallist (sorry discusser) you are, im not sure you know yourself what the public benefits are, otherwise you'd tell us all.
Corruption maybe, but some things are best left alone imo.
Anyway, only just come into this thread and its already boring me.

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by kaivalagi

I can't, badly worded and purely conjecture as a consequence. Should have read " but some of it surely is really quite damaging isn't it?"

For the reasons listed above and the following...

International relations are not based on trust, otherwise there'd be no need to spy on people. The damage only comes into it when the lies unravel, whether that's by whistleblowers, slip ups, full blown arguments or whatever means, it's the lies and corruption that do the damage, not their exposition

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by specialone

I have to disagree with you, north korea are looking to fight anyone who wants it, the middle east are always gonna fight, to mention a few.
You or anyone tell me why we need to be 'leaked' this sh1te, what are we gonna gain from it?
I dont know all the stuff 'leaked', but what i have heard doesnt interest me in the slightest, in fact im sure a lot of other people feel the same.
I got enough to worry about.
Not sure how much could damage things to a point where it affects national security but why bother trying to find out?

You've got your head in the sand then.

Personally I'd be quite keen on knowing if my government are about to start a war for fun.
What is to gain, information can never be a loss. And the US certainly need a slap from reality. I daresay our politicians do as well. Accountability to their words and actions. They represent us, they should not fear their words becoming known to the people they represent!


North Korea are bankrupt and thousands of miles away from us sandwiched between China (who mobilised a million troops to shovel the snow a few years ago), and South Korea who have a modern army geared up to repel an attack from the North.
Wars cost money.

The Middle East is always going to fight. True. They will fight whether the US is a bit embarrassed about something or not.
Or maybe they are mostly fat and happy on oil money and want to stay that way.

[MisterTommyH]

Lone wolf, if someone is never going to target these places then why is there even security there? Come to think of it why do we even bother having an armed guard on army bases in Northern Ireland?

Point is that, yes, there are terrorists out there who only want to scare people, but there are also any number of other people out there with any number of motives that you/I cannot begin to think of.

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by specialone

Anyway, only just come into this thread and its already boring me.

If you're not interested in the topic why ask for people to explain it to you?

Perhaps best to leave it alone...

Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf

And to reiterate, the US government were approached before the information was released in order to discuss redacted notes where national security was at risk. The US refused, they brought it upon themselves that the cables are uncensored...

To be fair, the US could hardly say "yeah, print classified information - we only classified it for fun" could they? It was PR by wikileaks, nothing more.

Originally Posted by specialone

i just think its something we dont need, so the Yanks should just dispose of him.

The last thing I want is somebody in this country to be assassinated by any state, let alone the Yanks (you do realise he is currently living in England?). At what point does bumping off journalists that embarrass a government make us a police state?