Do you agree with tracking kids via implant chip?

[gruntygiggles]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

That's a reasoned and logical argument. But if in that 5 minutes of panic when a child is 'lost' something happens to them (they get run over by a car, they fall in a pond, or even if after 5 minutes of wandering an opportunist sicko does pick them up, what if you could have found them in two minutes and prevented it from happening?

Good point, but it still doesn't change the fact that the child has wandered off in the first place. What you are talking about is a difference in minutes for the very unlikely chance that something bad will happen.

I spoke to my mum about this last night as I remember wearing reins as a child. I could have the freedom to walk in public places, but mum or dad always had a hold of me.

She then said that she never had a problem with us (my sister and i) wandering off. She said we knew our boundaries and when we were out playing, all the parents knew and all kept a close eye.

My sister was approached outside school when she was 6 by a man who said he had puppies at home and would she like to go see them. She did what she had been told to do...she said shed wasn't allowed to talk to strangers and promptly ran away screaming back to the school gates. I remember the police being at our house that afternoon. I don't remember a time when we didn't know to do that.

Also, perhaps if you always find your child very quickly...they will never learn some valuable lessons?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Aye but this is the problem, the majority of "the public" are effectively just warm meat.

They watch football and give it importance to their very soul, they actually CARE about something on eastenders. They watch big brother and Xfactor. Their brains are the consistency of month-old milk.

It's wrong to connect any mass-opinion with morality... the majority of the public don't have the capability for such abstract thought, or indeed thought.

True, but a hobby so enjoyed that it becomes a passion is not a bad thing. Its these passions what no doubt brought all these members to this forum. As you say Football/Eastenders may to you be a silly passion with no self gain but to those people I bet if you say you're on an internet forum that you joined because of your motorbike they'd look at you with the same frown as you would them when they say "I've got to be back for 8, Eastenders is on".

I do though agree with you, people are stupid. A person my be intelligent and capable of independent thought but it takes a certain sort of person to be able to hear their independent thought above the noise of a surrounding crowd. This is the distinction between a person been stupid and the people been stupid. Although you're never short of examples of stupid persons amongst stupid people either lol.

Perhaps on this basis as I mentioned before the problem I'm having with this argument is that I'm applying it to my own circumstance. I'm judging it on how I would use the tech, how I would act should it be available. To sit outside my own situation and ask myself "would I want parents on Wilton (known local rough estate) to have their kids fitted with trackers"
Well irrespective of most of them been fitted one by plod before they're 18 anyway I'd be inclined to say No! My perception of these parents and their kids is one similar to those as Widepants mentions. They'd use it as an excuse to view their parental responsibility as some how lessened, this in turn would allow these kids to run around even more nuts causing all sorts of mayhem beyond that which they already do and to those parents this could only be a disaster for the rest of us.

So 2 questions for me to answer:

1 - Would I vote for or against this tech? I'd vote against.
2 - If already available would I opt to use it? Yes I would.

[widepants]

Whal Grunty just said then brought back a memory from shopping a few months ago.Georgina got so carried away with sweets that she wandered off to look for them.I let her go but kept an eye on her from hiding .The look on her face when she realised I wasnt there was brilliant.But , she went to a female member of staff to say she was lost .

Originally Posted by Owenski

Perhaps on this basis as I mentioned before the problem I'm having with this argument is that I'm applying it to my own circumstance. I'm judging it on how I would use the tech, how I would act should it be available.

To sit outside my own situation and ask myself "would I want parents on Wilton (known local rough estate) to have their kids fitted with trackers"
Well irrespective of most of them been fitted one by plod before they're 18 anyway I'd be inclined to say No!

So 2 questions for me to answer:

1 - Would I vote for or against this tech? I'd vote against.
2 - If already available would I opt to use it? Yes I would.

And that concludes my argument, I need to do some work!

One last question though - if the technology were available tomorrow, would it currently be illegal. Would it ever need to go to public vote?

[gruntygiggles]

Originally Posted by widepants

Whal Grunty just said then brought back a memory from shopping a few months ago.Georgina got so carried away with sweets that she wandered off to look for them.I let her go but kept an eye on her from hiding .The look on her face when she realised I wasnt there was brilliant.But , she went to a female member of staff to say she was lost .

That's cute. My sister ran away once when she was 13. When my mum got home and dad told her, she could have run him through if she had a knife as he and I were quite calmly eating our dinner. Before she went into complete panic, dad told her that my sister announced she was running away, made off out the back door, he followed and planned on scooping her up down the road, but he watched her hide under the trees. He could see her through the patio doors from the sofa, so he left her there. She came in at gone midnight, freezing cold, went to bed and wouldn't let anyone mention it afterwards, lol.

A few years ago, she told dad how upset she had been that he didn't search for her/call the police etc. His response was brilliant when he said, "your mum and I knew where you girls were every second of every day...we just didn't let you know that. I bet you still think we never knew you smoked either" it was really quite amusing

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

And that concludes my argument, I need to do some work!

One last question though - if the technology were available tomorrow, would it currently be illegal. Would it ever need to go to public vote?

Do our thoughts echo each others? I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this, please someone hold me.

I cannot answer your last question, legally I'm not aware of any violation but I would suspect this form of tagging a person would be made through power of a tourney which as legal guardian of a minor we as parents auto-matically have unless a court has seen fit to remove that power.

Question for those who are for it,

Are you also for the spread of CCTV and other ways the government monitors you?

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Spank86

Question for those who are for it,

Are you also for the spread of CCTV and other ways the government monitors you?

Dead against it.

Cleverly worded there Spank. I am for the use of static CCTV to be used to trace the steps of suspected criminals to be used as evidence for and against them (remember the defendant can only be convicted with evidence he/she is aware may be presented in court).
I am however NOT in approval of this system been monitored by persons, nor for it to be used without warrent I would support and vote YES on this system been operated by a private (none law enforcement) company provided they had certain guidelines to abide by a key one been granted access before contempt.
ie if the police want to use footage including yourself you must agree or otherwise be found in contempt and in which case you'd suspect most people would (if they've nothing to hide) be willing to release the footage of themselves.

I do my best to live within the law, and see these as ways of using technology to offer protection without weapons. The majority of cases this may be used are unfortunatly post crime and as such offer no benefit to the victim other than a conviction been determined beyond doubt, as such I would also support tougher sentencing on serious crime.

[punyXpress]

Originally Posted by gruntygiggles

She then said that she never had a problem with us (my sister and i) wandering off. She said we knew our boundaries and when we were out playing, all the parents knew and all kept a close eye.

Presumably neighbours: we're lucky to know who ours are, being surrounded South, East and West by holiday cottages where anyone with the cash can take up residence.
Furthermore, if a known( to the Police ) paedophile or Sex Offenders Registree moves into your area, the boys in blue will NOT advise residents of that fact!