Stopping/slowing with the clutch in. Bad form?

Originally Posted by Spank86

Missy, I mean if you're in the middle of the open corner with lots of space and you see it tighten ahead and you're already at almost full lean (like all the southern GM are all the time ).

This I would like to see...... ....... ..

[yorkie_chris]

I suppose in that you'd have to either tip in a bit more, stand up and throw the anchors out, then turn in again...or brake while leant over.

[Mark_h]

Or the general message from Keith Code is...If in doubt, add more power! However 99.9% of my brain is shouting BRAKE!!! in these situations. Takes a lot of thought to override the shouty bit and add more power.

I wonder what full lean is, in my book it's when the exhaust or side stand grinds on tarmac, and that's not really full lean, that's the techincal limits of the bike, any more lean and the rear tyre will loose weight and lift/jump/slide, don't know about the pointy, but I'm sure oem exhaust and side stand position is crap on that one aswell.

Originally Posted by Mark_h

Or the general message from Keith Code is...If in doubt, add more power! However 99.9% of my brain is shouting BRAKE!!! in these situations. Takes a lot of thought to override the shouty bit and add more power.

Even sitting in your sofa you can 'practice' not breaking, by thinking it over in your head. But watch the twist of the wrist, survival instincts are things to overcome.

Originally Posted by Mark_h

Or the general message from Keith Code is...If in doubt, add more power! However 99.9% of my brain is shouting BRAKE!!! in these situations. Takes a lot of thought to override the shouty bit and add more power.

This used to be the case with me but now immediate reaction in that panicky situation is to roll off and lean more...maaaybe apply a little front brake very smoothly.

Last time I grabbed a fistful of front brake was in reaction to a speed camera that I must have gone through hundreds of times before, I was checking my house keys were in my pocket and momentarily switched off and forgot about camera hahaha. So much for safety first with speed cameras!

[johnnyrod]

Page FFFing 16! OM actual G

If you roll off you've got a very good chance of losing the front, you would really want to just keep a little bit of gas to keep God in His heaven. There's no easy answer to this one once you're in the situation. Unless there are hard bits dragging on the ground there there's always more lean to try, many bikes have more grip under your ass than in your head. You can shift some weight forwards if possible without upsetting the bike, this tightens things up a little, Code calls it the Hook Turn, it's a subtle move but does work if you've gone in too hot, easier to pull off if you're off the inside of the seat though. As YC says you might just have to abandon plan A and just save the situation.

Originally Posted by speedyandypandy

I wonder what full lean is, in my book it's when the exhaust or side stand grinds on tarmac, and that's not really full lean, that's the techincal limits of the bike, any more lean and the rear tyre will loose weight and lift/jump/slide, don't know about the pointy, but I'm sure oem exhaust and side stand position is crap on that one aswell.

Its the bit just before it all goes badly wrong.


Or on my bike i judge it after I get off by the omplete absence of chicken strips and my difficult choice between living with these tyres till they wear down or wasting rubber and buying sportier ones.

Originally Posted by Spank86

Or on my bike i judge it after I get off by the omplete absence of chicken strips and my difficult choice between living with these tyres till they wear down or wasting rubber and buying sportier ones.

What tyres would this be? Some tyres the chickenstrip is gone before you even get enough lean to knee scrape, on some tyres you have to really get down low, as in racing style low, and there is still grip when on the side, sidewallflexes, and contact patch is bigger than it looks. You see, there is usually a build up off rubber on the outside of the edge when you're riding close to the limit. And if your riding like that on the road have you done anything with tyre pressure?

bt023's (i think)

they came with the bike and if most of the Guilford lot are reading your post they're probably chuckling at the suggestion I even check my tyre pressures let alone do anything with them.

But it's all irrelevant really since it only changes the point of full lean not whether or not I'm on it (to which I'd say I've been on it, but I dont make a habit of it).