Shocking....(but its work)

[Biker Biggles]

Interesting stats in the OP
Both sets pretty similar but are not broken down into male female opinions.We can all argue (again)about the rights and wrongs of this,but what those figures do show is why it is so difficult to get convictions in rape cases.Some 20---30% of people believe that the victims behaviour may be a contributary factor and try getting a jury to convict then.
For progress to happen in the real world that issue needs to be addressed.

[Bibio]

all i can say is when a woman says NO then it Means NO

but some women get all upset when the bloke dont phone them after a night of passion and want revenge .. rape is a hard one judge.

but what about men getting raped ???? it hapend to one of my mates by a gang of girls...

by the way a bit of trivia for you all. the word F U C K actually meens rape... it meens Full Unconsented Cardinal Knowlage.. so telling someone to F off is like saying away and rape yourself ..

and a survay of 992 scots??? were they all male...

1) I think a woman can be at least partly responsible if she is drunk at the time of the attack.


2) I think that a woman bares some responsibility if she wore revealing clothing.

3) I think there should be some burden of responsibility for rape if the women is flirting.

4) I think rape can be the woman's fault if she is known to have had many sexual partners.

1. No. Just because it's alcohol does not make it an exception. The key word there is "attack".
2. No.
3. No.
4. No.

Originally Posted by jambo

Ah good, this old chestnut again.

I'm kinda with Soulkiss on this one, the trouble is that the above categories are a bit broad:

Girl wears a nice top has a few drinks and is raped, her fault? Of course not.

Girl wears almost nothing, gets so blitzed without anyone round to look after her, next morning she's not sure where she is or what she's agreed to, and later decides that it wasn't consenting because she was too drunk. Less clear cut, and surely some responsibility for a person's welfare lies in them taking care of themselves.

Unfortunately both are covered by the above points, which is, I think why there's always such a heated debate with people hanging onto one of the above scenarios to argue their point.

Jambo

+1 my missus flirts all the time its part of her nature but when shes had a few to many thats when she can go a bit to far

[Biker Biggles]

I think its Carnal Knowledge and I think thats an urban myth.The word comes from Anglo Saxon English when they didnt use language like your explanation suggests.

Argh. Not again.

[Bibio]

my sister used to be a clerk in a top lawyers office in edinburgh.. when she quizzed the word because of how rude it was .. she was told what it ment ... and you are probebly right at carnal.. so i'm probebly wrong (as usual) me memmory is going... rofl

I'm going to get flamed to hell for this but I'll say it anyway; If a girl is so out of her head that she can't remember saying yes or no, then I believe she is partly to blame. It's no use trying to remember how or what you felt or said the night before just because you regret it in the morning.

This comes from the father of three girls aged 27, 19 and 16. If one of them came to me and said "Dad, I 'think' I was raped last night but I was too drunk to remember if I consented" I'd comfort them and tell them to put it down to experience and not get that off their face again. My point is, the guy they were with was probably so far off his face that his judgement was impaired too, should all the blame be laid at his door when there's been provocative flirting from both parties leading up to the event. If neither party can remember if consent was given, does that constitute rape? If my son knowingly took advantage of a girl who was that drunk I'd kick his sorry ar5e into next week though.

As far as flirting, clothing and previous partners go, they don't have a bearing on the one situation where a girl is attacked. All girls flirt, it doesn't mean they will sleep with you - all girls wear clothes that can be a bt revealing, it doesn't mean she wants you to see her naked - All girls have done a little bit of sleeping around (admit it ladies, some of you are as bad as blokes) but that doesn't mean they have to sleep with you.

Originally Posted by Lozzo

I'm going to get flamed to hell for this but I'll say it anyway; If a girl is so out of her head that she can't remember saying yes or no, then I believe she is partly to blame. It's no use trying to remember how or what you felt or said the night before just because you regret it in the morning.

This comes from the father of three girls aged 27, 19 and 16. If one of them came to me and said "Dad, I 'think' I was raped last night but I was too drunk to remember if I consented" I'd comfort them and tell them to put it down to experience and not get that off their face again. My point is, the guy they were with was probably so far off his face that his judgement was impaired too, should all the blame be laid at his door when there's been provocative flirting from both parties leading up to the event. If neither party can remember if consent was given, does that constitute rape? If my son knowingly took advantage of a girl who was that drunk I'd kick his sorry ar5e into next week though.

As far as flirting, clothing and previous partners go, they don't have a bearing on the one situation where a girl is attacked. All girls flirt, it doesn't mean they will sleep with you - all girls wear clothes that can be a bt revealing, it doesn't mean she wants you to see her naked - All girls have done a little bit of sleeping around (admit it ladies, some of you are as bad as blokes) but that doesn't mean they have to sleep with you.

very well put

[Biker Biggles]

The consent issue is a "commonsense"view shared by many and is not what the law says.This is probably why there are so few convictions as juries will not convict when the girl was so drunk she couldnt give consent as the law requires.