California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !

[Sid Squid]

A fair argument, on an entirely objective basis it's difficult to argue for different laws on the drugs which are presently legal; tobacco, alcohol. Over those on the drugs which presently aren't.

An utterly objective mind would treat them all the same, whether that be that they are all legal or illegal.

As I stated in the other post.

As a former smoker of 10 years of the herb, I can fully assure you that MOST full working weed smoking citizens would rather pay for it and get it legally (esp if we had Amsterdam style coffeshops) than having to meet some dodgy chavvy dealer down a backstreet on the hush.

Its the jobless chavy types that give it a bad reputation, hanging on streets, enticing criminals (is that the weed though??).

All my £40k+ earning 29/30 year olds who smoke it would rather get it legally than scrimp with some dodgy folk.

Is weed addictive? No. Tobacco that goes in it is though, as is the routine. Does it cause physcological problems? No. There is usually an underlying issue.

I only gave it up due to cost and having to meet dodgy people, hassle of waiting around. I'd love to be simple able to pop to a coffee shop on a lazy sunday, give a few quid to a business, have a coffee, read a paper, and have a smoke legally.

The police will never win the war on weed, work with it, make it legal, sell it and control the stream strength, and profit. Use the funds to put back into the economy and generate millions, if not billions per year.

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

A fair argument, on an entirely objective basis it's difficult to argue for different laws on the drugs which are presently legal; tobacco, alcohol. Over those on the drugs which presently aren't.

An utterly objective mind would treat them all the same, whether that be that they are all legal or illegal.

Yes, ban the lot haha, but where do you draw the line, caffiene out too?

Originally Posted by Daimo

Is weed addictive? No. Tobacco that goes in it is though, as is the routine. Does it cause physcological problems? No. There is usually an underlying issue.

It may not contain nicotine, but cannabis can certainly become psychologically addictive.

Also, weed is dangerous in those who are susceptible to mental illness. Without smoking, many of these people may never go on to develop a mental problem, whereas those that are susceptible but do smoke substantially increase their risk of developing a psychotic episode/s or schizophrenia.

Also, because cannabis is smoked up as a rollie with a self-designed roach, the amount of carcinogenic crud that enters the lungs is far greater than cigarettes which have a proper filter. (Although there is some indication that the thc in cannabis may actually have protective effects against cancer). Either way, still gonna get bronchitis, copd, etc much sooner by smoking more rollies than cigarettes.

Nonetheless, alcohol and cigarettes each kill way more than cannabis. (interesting chart below)


If the only result of making drugs illegal is giving the criminals the money, the government zilch (if not spending money), and the users poor quality drugs that may have been up someone's backside at some point, then what is the pooiiint!! It makes no difference to the demand, just skanks up the supply.

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Originally Posted by thulfi

If the only result of making drugs illegal is giving the criminals the money, the government zilch (if not spending money), and the users poor quality drugs that may have been up someone's backside at some point, then what is the pooiiint!! It makes no difference to the demand, just skanks up the supply.

Even if it was legallised and tax as suggested, the tax would be on a similar level to tobacco. Therefore no one would want to pay the prohibitively high taxes and would look for a cheaper supply, thus smuggling of the product would still continue and control of the strength and quality would still be impossible.

Counterfeit cigarettes smuggled in contain some really nasty substances which shouldn't be there, but because they're countfeit there's no quality control.

Thinking that legalising and taxing the product will solve all the problems is too simplistic.

UK govenment is not going to go down this path, as its already declassified and then reclassified back to class B.

Neither is it going to allow the sale of hash produced in Afganistan to be sold, where the proceeds of the sale could ultimately return to people who fund flying lessons for extreamists or to buy bullets to shoot at our guys

I dont know if anybody watched the Horizon program about the 'Weed' from about 2 years ago. It was a scientific look into the drug. The program covered most angles. What it did highlight is that the government is concerned by the effect it (skunk) has on the young developing teenage brain, (possible reason for legislation and control - remove skunk out of the market place on health grounds). Or add a premium to it and make it 21+ only.

Theres a firm in shropshire somewhere with a big warehouse full of the weed who have been granted a license to research the stuff. Possibly sponsored by big pharma companies. But what they found was that in the old traditional weed (pre skunk) there is actually an anti-psycotic chemical in equal concentrations to the psycotic part, therefore they cancel each other out (THC / CBD). However in skunk its all THC !

This firm had also developed a nebulizer type device for getting HI without smoking ! Cool.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...dalcohol.drugs

Its funny because this "economic forces" on the weed market reminds me of the motorbike market of the last 15 years. The "power to weight ratio" is fine when its a work in progress but it soon out classed the abilities of the general rider. Especially the "return to biking with a few extra pounds" brigade. You'd go into the dealers and it was all pocket rockets. On the streets its all skunk !

How many bikers do you know who bought Blades rode them when they were young & enthusiatic and feeling brave and then quietly put them in the garage to gather dust like some dark and dirty secret. I know at least 2 ex bikers that fall into this category. I think this is also the reason you come across so many low mileage Blades - ha ha ha !

The way I see it a weed market selling lower strength, less psycotic traditional Thia's et al could be a good thing.

Originally Posted by thulfi

It may not contain nicotine, but cannabis can certainly become psychologically addictive.

Also, weed is dangerous in those who are susceptible to mental illness. Without smoking, many of these people may never go on to develop a mental problem, whereas those that are susceptible but do smoke substantially increase their risk of developing a psychotic episode/s or schizophrenia.

Also, because cannabis is smoked up as a rollie with a self-designed roach, the amount of carcinogenic crud that enters the lungs is far greater than cigarettes which have a proper filter. (Although there is some indication that the thc in cannabis may actually have protective effects against cancer). Either way, still gonna get bronchitis, copd, etc much sooner by smoking more rollies than cigarettes.

Nonetheless, alcohol and cigarettes each kill way more than cannabis. (interesting chart below)


If the only result of making drugs illegal is giving the criminals the money, the government zilch (if not spending money), and the users poor quality drugs that may have been up someone's backside at some point, then what is the pooiiint!! It makes no difference to the demand, just skanks up the supply.

A perfect visual example on why to avoid sleeping tablets at all costs!!!! Ecstasy and lsd seems the way to go lol.

Weed pros-the smell, makes you eat, gives you giggles,you appreciate music more,you get the big pink fluffly cloud bubble jacket feeling.

Weed cons-imoa physcologically(sp) it is addictive,Broncial problems,it robs you of the desire to move.

i've seen both sides of the coin regarding this one , will it be legalised here?-i doubt it because when we go down that road it will only be a matter of time before the calls for other controlled drugs to follow the same path.

Question i'd ask those that wish to see it legalised is would you be happy with your son/daughter getting stoned on a regular basis??-i wouldn't

What is the difference between weed and skunk?

Taken from wiki

"Skunk" refers to several named strains of potent cannabis, grown through selective breeding and often hydroponics. It is a cross-breed of Cannabis sativa and C. indica (although other strains of this mix exist in abundance). Skunk cannabis potency ranges usually from 6% to 15% and rarely as high as 20%. The average THC level in coffee shops in the Netherlands is about 18–19%.[117]