Crashed helmet, still mint, replace?

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

Once they've been crashed they should be replaced anyway regardless of how old they are. A small light drop of a couple of inches by accident, might be ok, but a crash at 50.....errrr no!!!!

Not entirely correct. If the exterior suffered no damage in a 50mph off then there's a good chance it had no serious impact, if at all. If it hit the deck in the lightest way there will always be damage to the paintwork at least.

The drops onto the floor - different matter, but as long as they weren't from 4 foot onto concrete then it should be ok. I'd be fine with wearing a lid that had fallen 2 foot onto carpet. If you were wearing it then the interior expanded polystyrene impact absorbtion material may well be compromised, but without a head inside there's going to be no damage there, and again, if there's no external damage there's a very good chance the exterior shell is fine.

There's a lot of scaremongering about helmet safety and all this "one slightest drop and you should throw it away" crap does annoy me. Helmets are a bloody sight stronger and able to take knocks than people give them credit for. The Arai importers do a free safety check on crashed helmets made by themselves and I've seen some quite shockingly scuffed Arais come back from them as safe to use again.

Having said that, OGK helmets haven't been imported into this country in over 7 years - I know this because in July 2004 I started working for the OGK importer and they were running old OGK stocks down back then with no plans to import any more.

Time for a new helmet, matey

Originally Posted by Bibio

no. the better they fit the more they protect you. if its a £30 lid that fits perfect its going to be better than £1000 lid that dont.

tooooo many people get hung up on lid snobbery without facing the real facts.

Well said that man, on both poiints.

Ken Arai wears the cheapest Arai full face they make when he rides. When asked why he doesn't wear the most expensive he replies "It's a race helmet, I don't race so what's the point".

Originally Posted by davepreston

bang on

the truth is the more you pay the lighter the lid in general, all will protect you in a off ,yes some slightly better than others but as long as it has the kytemark or gold acu markings they will help your head

so fit is the key, then its more price more features/less weight/more bling

hth

Kitemarks went out of date about 8 years ago. The standard for helmets is now ECE2205

[andrewsmith]

Originally Posted by davepreston

as the offical org crash test dummy i can speak well on this subject


GET A FECKING NEW ONE BEFORE YOU DO YOURSELF SERIOUS DAMAGE

ahem
i personally recomend shoei's as i have tested many and all did a fine job


hth
dave

How many so far?

Agree with Lozzo and Dave Preston
New lid my boyo.

I do buy slightly expensive lids (£180 -200 max) but its because the cheaper lids are a poor fit for me.
As long as it does comply to EC2205 it will protect your head in an accident.

My daily lid has been used and abused the shells got superficial scuffs but the lid is fine after 2 low speed offs

[Shawthing]

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Not entirely correct. If the exterior suffered no damage in a 50mph off then there's a good chance it had no serious impact, if at all. If it hit the deck in the lightest way there will always be damage to the paintwork at least.

The drops onto the floor - different matter, but as long as they weren't from 4 foot onto concrete then it should be ok. I'd be fine with wearing a lid that had fallen 2 foot onto carpet. If you were wearing it then the interior expanded polystyrene impact absorbtion material may well be compromised, but without a head inside there's going to be no damage there, and again, if there's no external damage there's a very good chance the exterior shell is fine.

There's a lot of scaremongering about helmet safety and all this "one slightest drop and you should throw it away" crap does annoy me. Helmets are a bloody sight stronger and able to take knocks than people give them credit for. The Arai importers do a free safety check on crashed helmets made by themselves and I've seen some quite shockingly scuffed Arais come back from them as safe to use again.

Having said that, OGK helmets haven't been imported into this country in over 7 years - I know this because in July 2004 I started working for the OGK importer and they were running old OGK stocks down back then with no plans to import any more.

Time for a new helmet, matey

Well you can still buy the OKG Aeroblade II for abt £100 (J&S) and i hardly think they are selling 7 year old lids. ( 5 year replacement guideline).

I believe the Aeroblade is Long Oval head shape, but again you need to go and try on as many as you can in your price range.

Originally Posted by Shawthing

Well you can still buy the OKG Aeroblade II for abt £100 (J&S) and i hardly think they are selling 7 year old lids. ( 5 year replacement guideline).

Jesus wept, it's like banging your head against a brick sodding wall some days!

Believe me when I say they are selling 7 year old helmets. They've been on the shelf either in the warehouse or in the dealers for that long. One of my trusted mates works in the importer's warehouse and he confirmed that since he's been there no new OGKs have ever entered that building, and he's been working there since 2005. If I remember right there's a sticker inside each OGK helmet under the cloth lining with the manufacture date printed on it, or it may be embossed on the chinstrap covering.

J+S are well known for buying old stock of whatever is available and piling high, selling cheap - just take a look around their showroom at the outdated helmets and kit that's on the racks and shelves. Last time I went into a J+S shop they still had some helmets that had British Standard (not ECER22-05) marked helmets on retail sale, and that's been illegal since about 2004. Have you looked at how much an OGK Aeroblade 2 was in 2004? I'll give you a clue... at least treble the price it is now. You don't sell current model helmets at a third of retail price, but you do sell very old helmets at that kind of a price.

My mate is certain the reason the OGK range hasn't been imported since then is because it doesn't meet current safety standards (ECER22-05) and the testing costs to meet it would be foolish on a shell design that old. Check the standard that the helmet is certified to - if there's a blue sticker with a kitemark and a number then it's illegal to sell it for road use in this country and throughout Europe.

What puzzles me the most is why people question those who obviously have huge knowledge of these things. Someone asks for advice and someone who has intimate knowledge of the matter responds with their professional opinion and facts. What makes some people think they are more clued up than the bloke or woman who works or has worked extensively in this trade and knows far more than the man on the street? Further to this, if someone asks for advice and gets a number of sensible and constructive replies all saying the same thing, why do they then go and do the exact opposite? When this happens it always makes me wonder why I wasted 5 or 10 minutes of my life replying, and makes me also wonder why the bloody hell they asked for advice in the first place.

[Bibio]

i generally listen to what Lozzo says about leathers 'n' lids as he is usually spot on. he may be an arrogant **** at times but he knows what he knows and i for one would trust his judgement and that's coming from another arrogant ****

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Bibio

i generally listen to what Lozzo says about leathers 'n' lids as he is usually spot on. he may be an arrogant **** at times but he knows what he knows and i for one would trust his judgement and that's coming from another arrogant ****

^^Wot ee said

However Lozzo should know by now, that all noobs to the forum know everything!


#runs hides, before a flame war#

[andrewsmith]

Originally Posted by Bibio

i generally listen to what Lozzo says about leathers 'n' lids as he is usually spot on. he may be an arrogant **** at times but he knows what he knows and i for one would trust his judgement and that's coming from another arrogant ****

as Bib and DB on this.

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I HAVE AN OPEN FACE HELMET,, i bought it second hand fur £15 around 7 years ago, its been in 3 crashes comeoffs.. an am still on the same visor... Good eh !!!! always wear an open face

at least its a Nolan...