Human Rights concern over rioters

They should be out in the streets clearing up the carnage the created, showing the next generation what will happen if they choose to go down the same path.

Originally Posted by kellyjo

They should be out in the streets clearing up the carnage the created, showing the next generation what will happen if they choose to go down the same path.

with dustpans and brushes. Just so they don't prove they can do a better job than the person already in that job

Originally Posted by gruntygiggles

We need to redress the balance in this country.

Yes, we do. Whilst I have no sympathy whatsoever for these guys, nor care a jot about their sentence breaching their human rights, I do feel that in the scheme of other sentences getting handed out every day at the countries courts that this is a bit disproportionate.

I have seen men in my area get 180 hours community service each for almost beating a guy to death. His head injury was so severe he was in an induced coma for a week. Oh, and these guys had previous for similar.

So yes, we need to redress the balance in more ways than one. This is a typical knee jerk reaction and it won't solve anything because once the hype dies down, our legal system will go back to handing out pathetic sentences once more.

[Ch00]

I think a lot of these jail sentences are just grand posturing from the courts; they want to look tough like they have a grasp on the events and they are dealing with it seriously. This part does make a welcome change.

However I can’t see them really serving any major part of that sentence. The prisons are full they will not house someone for a minor public order offence for 21 weeks if they need to house a murderer instead.

[tinpants]

Originally Posted by Quedos

with dustpans and brushes. Just so they don't prove they can do a better job than the person already in that job

hmm. I can't help but think you've completely missed the point here. It matters not whether they can do a better job than the person already in that job, but rather that they shouldn't have made the mess in the first place.

IMHO, anyone convicted of a criminal offence loses all rights to state benefits and/or human rights. They clearly have so little regard for other peoples human rights that they should have theirs revoked.



*lights touch paper and runs*

Originally Posted by tinpants

hmm. I can't help but think you've completely missed the point here. It matters not whether they can do a better job than the person already in that job, but rather that they shouldn't have made the mess in the first place.

IMHO, anyone convicted of a criminal offence loses all rights to state benefits and/or human rights. They clearly have so little regard for other peoples human rights that they should have theirs revoked.



*lights touch paper and runs*

It my union head thats on -
I want those people to go out and clean up the mess they made and I believe that community service should be used more often BUT
if you have these guys out doing jobs within the community and do a great job council/LA realise that they can get it done for nothing and sack the person that was doing that job originally ( as has happened in one the english councils)

As for the touch paper - I agree with you TS for those convicted!

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

Yes, we do. Whilst I have no sympathy whatsoever for these guys, nor care a jot about their sentence breaching their human rights, I do feel that in the scheme of other sentences getting handed out every day at the countries courts that this is a bit disproportionate.

I have seen men in my area get 180 hours community service each for almost beating a guy to death. His head injury was so severe he was in an induced coma for a week. Oh, and these guys had previous for similar.

So yes, we need to redress the balance in more ways than one. This is a typical knee jerk reaction and it won't solve anything because once the hype dies down, our legal system will go back to handing out pathetic sentences once more.

Something occured ot me when hearing the disproportionate sentences. Is it not the other sentences, e.g. the 180 hrs you use as an example, that are disproportionate?

We are also hearing about how people should be more considered rather than wanting huge sentences. Its the people's society and that's what the people are asking for. For years "we" have being asking for stronger sentencing and more protection for the good in society. I hope we see a lot more like this rather than the years of "pathetic sentencing" we have had.

Judges live a cosseted existence as do many of the higher echelons of politics and civil service which protects them from the everyday incidence of life. Perhaps if they had to live in the common man/woman's world they would see things differently.

[Sid Squid]

There is precisely no currency in claiming that this pair of fools had their human rights in some way compromised.

During a brief time that saw many commit crimes with the slightest provocation, the convicted were openly inciting violence, theft and criminal damage. Theirs was deliberate and calculated act, and at a moment that their words would be most dangerous and likely to fall upon receptive ears.

Written at any other time their words would be irresponsible in the extreme, written at the time they were, their words are criminal.

Four years? About right I say.

Originally Posted by Bri w

Something occured ot me when hearing the disproportionate sentences. Is it not the other sentences, e.g. the 180 hrs you use as an example, that are disproportionate?

We are also hearing about how people should be more considered rather than wanting huge sentences. Its the people's society and that's what the people are asking for. For years "we" have being asking for stronger sentencing and more protection for the good in society. I hope we see a lot more like this rather than the years of "pathetic sentencing" we have had.

That was kinda the point I was trying to make by saying that we need to redress the balance. And by further stating that this is only a knee jerk reaction by our justice system whilst there is intense media interest....