California, Proposition 19, freeing the weed !

Agree, but id happily see alcohol banned too lol, infact id rather it banned than 'weed'

I'm assuming beabert your young & carefree. Life is about phases that make you have to reassess your opinions. Here is my current situation. I've get 2 young toddlers that are up at 6:30 or 7'ish on a good day (everyday!) along with a few times bed shifting in the night. This basically knackers your sleep pattern. What i've found over the last year is that I can cope with this sleep loss for about 10 - 20 days but at some point I need to reset the system and have a good sleep. Alcohol has traditionally been the reset option of choice but in my case I suffer terrible hangovers so a no go. Currently i'm using zopiclone sleeping tablets, 4 tablets every few months. Just for those days when the insomnia cycle is building. Problems is leaving Zopiclone tablet in the house is a danger in itself. That why they only give you 4 at a time.

I dont know if you seen much about "Hilly Billy Heroin" in the states but its causes real problems and deaths (stops the heart in your sleep due to it being a related drug to aneathetics)

I low dose weed could potentially fill this gap without the risks.

I remember seeing that whisky is one of the top selling brands in the UK. I don't drink it but alot of people must. I can only assume its the self medicating older generation.

Originally Posted by no_akira

I'm assuming beabert your young & carefree. Life is about phases that make you have to reassess your opinions. Here is my current situation. I've get 2 young toddlers that are up at 6:30 or 7'ish on a good day (everyday!) along with a few times bed shifting in the night. This basically knackers your sleep pattern. What i've found over the last year is that I can cope with this sleep loss for about 10 - 20 days but at some point I need to reset the system and have a good sleep. Alcohol has traditionally been the reset option of choice but in my case I suffer terrible hangovers so a no go. Currently i'm using zopiclone sleeping tablets, 4 tablets every few months. Just for those days when the insomnia cycle is building. Problems is leaving Zopiclone tablet in the house is a danger in itself. That why they only give you 4 at a time.

I dont know if you seen much about "Hilly Billy Heroin" in the states but its causes real problems and deaths (stops the heart in your sleep due to it being a related drug to aneathetics)

I low dose weed could potentially fill this gap without the risks.

I remember seeing that whisky is one of the top selling brands in the UK. I don't drink it but alot of people must. I can only assume its the self medicating older generation.

Not care free, from my experiences it does more harm than good. I would never dream of having children either, ban them too

Be careful with those tablets.

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Originally Posted by tactcom7

What is the difference between weed and skunk?

Weed wasn't strong enough for some, so they invented skunk, special brew/white lightning for the pot heads

Originally Posted by maviczap

Even if it was legallised and tax as suggested, the tax would be on a similar level to tobacco. Therefore no one would want to pay the prohibitively high taxes and would look for a cheaper supply, thus smuggling of the product would still continue and control of the strength and quality would still be impossible.

Counterfeit cigarettes smuggled in contain some really nasty substances which shouldn't be there, but because they're countfeit there's no quality control.

Thinking that legalising and taxing the product will solve all the problems is too simplistic.

No it won't solve all the problems, but put it this way, imagine if alcohol and cigarettes were fully illegal. The government make about £6bn in Alcohol revenue a year (£2bn profit) and £10bn in Tobacco revenue a year. That would be a lot of money down the pan, with money wasted to enforce it's prohibition.

I don't know anybody who seeks alcohol/tobacco illegally. I've seen UK border patrol shows where they search trucks coming in and seize all the illegal cigarettes/alcohol containers that try and find there way into the country.

The same would happen with cannabis. I mean do you seek cheaper smuggled alternatives of booze or baccy? Don't think anyone does, and I doubt this would happen with cannabis.

Control of strength and quality would be far better if it's legal - never pefect, but better than it is now.

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Originally Posted by thulfi

I mean do you seek cheaper smuggled alternatives of booze or baccy? Don't think anyone does, and I doubt this would happen with cannabis.

Control of strength and quality would be far better if it's legal - never pefect, but better than it is now.

Sorry but a lot of people do seek out cheaper baccy and cigarettes, you just don't mix in the right crowds

Here's 10million seized not so long ago

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/massive_c...stowe_1_649732

This is a regular occurance at Felixstowe, and they are British brands for sale on the UK market,

Forget about the small loads you've seen seized on the UK Border programme, that's small fry compared to container loads found in the major ports around the UK.

With a packet of 20 ciggies costing about £7 in the shops now, a carton of 200 counterfeit ciggies will cost you between £15 - £20, so do the sums and see why so many ciggies are smuggled into the UK

A tax on cannabis would reap a big tax windfall, but such and easily grown natural product would still be smuggled, because the tax levied would be on a similar level as tobacco

Originally Posted by maviczap

Sorry but a lot of people do seek out cheaper baccy and cigarettes, you just don't mix in the right crowds

Here's 10million seized not so long ago

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/massive_c...stowe_1_649732

This is a regular occurance at Felixstowe, and they are British brands for sale on the UK market,

Forget about the small loads you've seen seized on the UK Border programme, that's small fry compared to container loads found in the major ports around the UK.

With a packet of 20 ciggies costing about £7 in the shops now, a carton of 200 counterfeit ciggies will cost you between £15 - £20, so do the sums and see why so many ciggies are smuggled into the UK

A tax on cannabis would reap a big tax windfall, but such and easily grown natural product would still be smuggled, because the tax levied would be on a similar level as tobacco

I agree ^^ i know off ppl doing just that.

Oh right ok thanks for clearing that up for me.

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The most liberal weed country in the world Holland still hasn't fully legalised it. Its allowed to be sold in the coffee shops, but only up to certain amounts and only so much can be stored on the premisis. The Dutch aren't bothered about personal use amounts, which is the case here pretty much.

But even the Dutch seize cannabis in commercial quantities as its still illegal to import cannabis into Holland and these are the supplies for the coffee shops, where else do you think they get their stock from.

There's no legal way of them getting their supply. That's Holland, way ahead of the UK in their control of cannabis

As far as I was aware the number of coffee shops was being reduced and more tightly controlled, as the majority of Dutch folk don't partake, its all for the tourists

Originally Posted by maviczap

Sorry but a lot of people do seek out cheaper baccy and cigarettes, you just don't mix in the right crowds

sorry yeh I know, who wouldn't seek chepaer alternatives, my point is I don't of any 'dealers' that sell booze/fags on the side roads like cannabis for example.

Smuggled goods will always be the nature of a free market economy, and isn't really an argument against legalising something. Cannabis is still getting smuggled now isn't it, and a higher percentage here use it than they do in Holland.

Amsterdam may still import their cannabis, but because they sell it in shops, the supply is forced to be of a higher quality than it is here. Here you get what you're given by the dealer (which is what his dealer got given, etc), you don't choose the strain.

There are so many coffeeshops there selling different types of weed, that quality control develops naturally due to the higher competition, regardless of where it is coming from, so essentially the shop keepers seek out the best suppliers who will keep the customers happy and make them more money.

Also the trained eye/nose of a weed smoker/shop seller will spot poor quality weed much easier than a 24/7 shop owner being able to tell if a whole crate of Marlbro lights is poor quality fags.

Originally Posted by maviczap

With a packet of 20 ciggies costing about £7 in the shops now, a carton of 200 counterfeit ciggies will cost you between £15 - £20, so do the sums and see why so many ciggies are smuggled into the UK

I don't follow this though. Maybe I just don't know, but are you saying that the average joe like me/you can buy these cigarettes or is it the shop owners that buy 'em? I thought most consumers prefer quality not quantity - well I don't know about ciggy smokers but pot heads defo do.

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Originally Posted by thulfi

I don't follow this though. Maybe I just don't know, but are you saying that the average joe like me/you can buy these cigarettes or is it the shop owners that buy 'em? I thought most consumers prefer quality not quantity - well I don't know about ciggy smokers but pot heads defo do.

In a word yes, you can if you know where? Pubs & shops (under the counter) boot sales but all illegal.

Poor ciggie smokers probably would prefer top quality ciggies, but like your pot heads have to get what they can, tough luck I say, no sympathy here

I'm all for medical uses for cannabis, but as I said before we can't control alchohol, so no chance with anything else