Nissan Leaf

[Viney]

Like all electrics vehicles. They have thier positives and thier negatives.

An aquaitance has just bought a Leaf. However, i still do not think that electrics cars are the way forward. We do need an alternate source, but batteries are not it.

Good review

£25k for this? Someone is having a Laugh.

The fault here is that technonlogy is the problem and somehow technology is the solution.

You can buy a Citroen or Peugeot C1/107 for less than £7k brand new and it is a far better 'green' car than this. And the range is how much petrol you can fit in.

Unless the electric car can match perfectly the Petrol/diesel then this is just another PR stunt to show how Tree hugging Nissan is.

Originally Posted by The Basket

Unless the electric car can match perfectly the Petrol/diesel then this is just another PR stunt to show how Tree hugging Nissan is.

hmm, but how do you jump from an emerging tech to being petrol diesel beating WITHOUT having something like this?
The Tesla EV is £80k, making this a bargain, there are a couple more coming but this is a start.

The point with this is you put NO petrol in it, that is what needs to change ultimately. Just because you slow down when running out of road doesn't stop you hitting a wall, you need to stop. Eventually we will run out of these resources so at some point we need another solution.

Each to their own opinion though of course.

£25k is no bargain in my book.

Energy is not free. Fossil fuels have to burnt at the power station rather than in a combustion engine but they still have to be burnt somewhere to produce energy.

The idea of Zero emissions is the biggest joke I ever heard.

Put no petrol in it but shove the coal on at the power station.

Not my opinion...Stone cold fact.

I'm not weird enough to buy an electric car, and I wouldn't even dream of it unless they were considerably cheaper than petrol or diesel engined ones.

[Viney]

Originally Posted by Brettus

hmm, but how do you jump from an emerging tech to being petrol diesel beating WITHOUT having something like this?
The Tesla EV is £80k, making this a bargain, there are a couple more coming but this is a start.

The point with this is you put NO petrol in it, that is what needs to change ultimately. Just because you slow down when running out of road doesn't stop you hitting a wall, you need to stop. Eventually we will run out of these resources so at some point we need another solution.

Each to their own opinion though of course.

I agree with you, as i said, that there needs to be a viable replacement for fossil fueld vehicle. Electric cars are far from being environmentaly firendly; first off in thier construction. Lots of too'ing and fro'ing for the battery creation, along with the same amount of energy in making the shell. Ok, so you get cheap running costs, and again these are not free of fosil fuel usage to create, but understand that its less that a single car and its own emissions. The massive issue i do have hower is that EVERYONE that has one will have to compromise on how and what they do. A Leaf does not have enough range for me and my family of 3 (Say) to go to the coast for the day. Fine if you can find a charging point at the coast but they are not as popular as you think. Buying an electric car is more of a statement and a lifestyle choice more than buying a car.

I really do think that Hydrogen is what the world should be focusing on. It keeps the car as we know it. We drive. We get low on Hydrogen. We filll up in minutes, then we continue our journey. Thats how we as a species have emmbraced the invention of the car and thats how it should be. Leccy cars are far from being good, far from being a viable alternative to petrol vehicles. I would think of buying a Hybrid but not a full leccy car

And where would the Hydrogen come from?

The only true 'green' solution to the car is to have no car.

And that is that.

Originally Posted by Brettus

The point with this is you put NO petrol in it, that is what needs to change ultimately. Just because you slow down when running out of road doesn't stop you hitting a wall, you need to stop. Eventually we will run out of these resources so at some point we need another solution.

Each to their own opinion though of course.

Just how do you think they produce the electricity required to power these wonderful newfangled and ecologically sound electric cars, do power stations run on fresh air nowadays?

There's a pay-off, and it's not cheap in the case of electricity.

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Just how do you think they produce the electricity required to power these wonderful newfangled and ecologically sound electric cars, do power stations run on fresh air nowadays?

There's a pay-off, and it's not cheap in the case of electricity.

But the petrol you use has already had the same (if not more) electricity used in it's refinement, so with petrol you are using BOTH amounts of energy already, whether you want to or not.

But I do admit it's far from ideal, just suitable for some at the moment, I just find it interesting. Really glad I went on the test drive and was impressed anyhow.

I've posted here on this subject before, and I'm not going to repeat what I think about low carbon, zero emission brainwashing and environemntal claptrap. Maybe I just did, anyway -


"Look at our lovely green zero emmisions car. Its going to save the world" - right upto the point where the huge batteries end up in landfill. Not very environmentally friendly now are we?
Being 'environmentally friendly is about more than burning stuff to make energy.


AND its called 'the Leaf'. Thats way too pretentious.