ABS demonstration, on an SV no less

Originally Posted by specialone

I agree, better to have it and never need it than need it once and not have it.

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but dont think you have to choose a bike with them for the sake of it, if its got abs fantastic if not.. life goes on

[Bibio]

yes ABS works. if you watch that video it's bull as the rider is controlling the braking using feathering as well as the ABS but when he is on the bike without ABS he is just grabbing a hand full. even with ABS grabbing a handfull in the wet can still send you down as all it takes is the bike to be at the wrong angle as most riders will panic and try to swerve or squirm and move their body about. once a bike is past that point of no return then nothing is stopping it going down.

yes ABS helps but you still need to know how to control the bike.

Funny how Monika couldn't fall off my bike when she screamed it round a damp grassy field at AR09 trying get the ABS to stop working. She was at all sorts of funny angles too

How many of those saying they'd never have ABS or that the video is bull have actually tried an ABS equipped bike in anger?

Not many I'll wager.

[650]

ABS is for those rare people who can accept they aren't biking gods and are likely to need it at some point in their biking career. I only wish my SV had it. My next bike definitely will without a shadow of a doubt.

Rode in the wet this morning and had a little trail of thought about this topic which I've listed in bullet points (often how I think) so feel free to correct it.

1: ABS was invented for cars in order to allow manoeuvres to take place when breaking hard which would otherwise lock the wheels. **UNDERSTAND SKIDDING AND LOCKING WHEELS AS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS**

2: In a straight line a good driver can always stop a car quicker than any idiot stamping on an ABS assisted brake pedal.

3: ABS releases the brake at a point when the wheel is sensed to stop turning, like lightening re-applys is (if the pedal is still been pressed).

4: This ON_OFF action often causes juddering as it unloads-loads the suspension.

So by applying ABS to a bike you'd have thought the same, so in direct relationship to those points above that to me translates as:

1: On a bike you've got too choices, panic brake or avoid. The riders who brake will benefit from the ABS, the riders who avoid wont be on the brakes so hard anyway.

2: Surely the same applies, ie a good rider will be able to out brake any ABS knuckle monkey.

3: Allowing the wheel to lock and unlock repeatedly is just as dangerous to an unstable bike as a skid, admittedly this might buy you the time to do something other than brake and close your eyes but if this is the case then refer to point one.

4: This is my biggest concern, those who have ever tested their car ABS will know how violent it can be. If I had this sort of turbulence when on the bike I'm pretty sure it would be the cause of the off.


In conclusion, I can see how this may prevent the 20mph shunt type accidents but in general riding I see that this will only benefit those for who an off is only a matter of time anyway. My biggest worry is for the rider who thinks "Its ok my ABS will stop me", they're gonna get hurt.

Lozzo, I've never used it so these are my "outside looking in" views, maybe they'd change if I'd seen it myself but I just know Im not in a rush to have it.

[650]

The wheel doesn't lock and unlock though. I did my emergency stop on my DAS from about 70mph to make sure I cleared the speed trap and anchored the brakes...didn't lock up once and the ABS worked an absolute treat.

This is one of those conversations where opinion over rules simple fact. ABS stands for anti lock, at no point should the wheel lock up and it also doesn't cause juddering to the point of causing heavy weight transfer that makes the suspension bounce up and down. Also, whoever you've spoken to about car abs being 'violent' is simply talking ****e, I've had it in every car I've had, which have all been circa 250 to 400bhp monster mobiles and the ABS has kicked in a few times, it doesn't knock the car out of shape at all, it just gives you feedback through the pedal by kicking back.

I'd also be VERY interested in seeing some recorded evidence that 'a good driver' can stop a car shorter than someone using ABS to their advantage. Seems to be one of those things claimed by all the armchair pundits who convince themselves they're Nigel Mansel or Valentino Rossi.

ABS is a life saver, fact.

[650]

And just to drill it home a bit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zv3Sacl7JQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYSdzBirTAM

the below one NINETY METRES without abs - SEVENTY FIVE on the abs bike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6kO6...eature=related

Suck it up, abs is better.

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Funny how Monika couldn't fall off my bike when she screamed it round a damp grassy field at AR09 trying get the ABS to stop working. She was at all sorts of funny angles too

I wanna go

Originally Posted by 650

I'd also be VERY interested in seeing some recorded evidence that 'a good driver' can stop a car shorter than someone using ABS to their advantage. Seems to be one of those things claimed by all the armchair pundits who convince themselves they're Nigel Mansel or Valentino Rossi.

ABS is a life saver, fact.

I'll start with this seen as you like to see facts,
Simple fact, to slow down you need to by applying a breaking force. Agreed?
With ABS the braking force is intermittent, admittedly it pulses at a much higher rate than any human can its still intermittent. Simple physics would state if you can constantly brake with a force just short of that required to lock the wheels you'll slow down quicker than ANY ABS system is able to due to your braking force been constant not intermittent.

All ABS does it automate the "pump the pedal" method of rapid braking, you dont need to be Mansel or Rossi to learn to do this just dont be a retard.