Do you agree with tracking kids via implant chip?

The choice would be there for parents as well. Would the kids have a choice? Put bluntly, in my scenario, no.

Parents make important decisions on behalf of their kids everyday. Immunisation jabs, etc. This would be no different in that sense.

When they were old enough they could opt to have it removed/disabled whatever.

I am really not talking about treating them like animals, or absolving parents of responsibility. That is not the goal here!

[_Stretchie_]

Originally Posted by hongman

Not talking about ID'ing each child and scanning them, no.

But if each child is not ID'd as a result of the device then how would you know which one you are looking for?

[Drew Carey]

I don't have kids but think this is wrong to even be contemplated.

Technologically - until they develop a self powered beacon that has a power life of 16 years, is the size of a grain of rice and has no side effects.....not possible.

Legally - I very much doubt this is possible without worldwide changes to legislation.

Ethically - this appears to be the main argument here. I personally think it is the responsibility of the parents & schools to educate children correctly. It is then the responsibilty of local govt and the police to ensure there are relevant safety measures in place. Ie more Camera's outside schools, increased neighbourhood watch etc.

Will this stop this entirely, no, but we cannot live our lives permanently in fear etc. When I was growing up and the same goes for most of the young ones in my family now, I would never have been out "playing" in an open area etc with my friends at such a young age. If it means parents have to pick children up from school etc until a later age, then so be it. I always knew if I wanted to play with mates etc, it was always on the street I lived in view of my house etc. If I wanted to play further afield, I was walked there by parents or elder brother.

Is this approach always possible with peoples working hour's etc? No, the answer.....change your routine or working hours to make a safer environment for your child......after all, as has been said, they are your responsibility to keep safe - not that of some govt run detection team scanning all kids etc.

As per Sids comment, any system WOULD be mis-treated, would act as a homing beacon to all the deviants, helping them target children more. If you think such a system could be created which would never be abused, then that to me is simple naivety.

[Bibio]

just had a thought. the very same technology could be used to pinpoint children by these scum so it would make their job even easier.

[punyXpress]

Originally Posted by hongman

There are elderly with certain diseases which have trackers attached in case they go wandering. Already out and in use today.

Is this also wrong then?

JUST what I want to save getting lost on rideouts!

The other end of the equation is how 'society' deals with the deviants:
The rate at which accusations come out of the woodwork appear to reveal decades of episodes being brushed under the carpet - even to the extent of very high officers in the Church, Police and Education totally ignoring the duty of their position and as a ( supposed ) human being.
If convictions are secured, sentences are ridiculously light, and have been for the last four decades.
Many years ago we were burgled and my feelings regarding the lads who did it would not bear repeating. A few years later it transpired that the 'special' school the attended was little more than a ready supply of young boys for the perverse delight of the staff. It was rotten to the core, and to this day, two branches of the Catholic Church argue incaoury that they are not responsible, passing the blame to each other, just as they did the little innocent children.
They are beneath contempt!

Drew, yes I am really only talking about ethically here, at this point little or no interest in legality so to speak, how it would be funded, etc. Technology doesn't exist as far as I know.

Just wanted people's thoughts on the concept of an idea.

[Viney]

Originally Posted by Messie

Absolutely not, never, no way, not in a million years!

It is a total infringement on their rights as human beings, however little (as human beings) they may be.

It is our responsibility, no duty, to protect them from harm; it is not our right to treat them like animals. It is our responsibility as a society to ensure they are all in a safe environment. Tagging them or branding them with identities if you like, as someone's property, is not the answer and maybe reminiscent of earlier times.

I started writing a whole essay in answer to your question, but gave up. My feelings against it are so strong that it wouldn't be a considered answer.

You're unsure, i can tell

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Messie

Absolutely not, never, no way, not in a million years!

It is a total infringement on their rights as human beings, however little (as human beings) they may be.

It is our responsibility, no duty, to protect them from harm; it is not our right to treat them like animals. It is our responsibility as a society to ensure they are all in a safe environment. Tagging them or branding them with identities if you like, as someone's property, is not the answer and maybe reminiscent of earlier times.

I started writing a whole essay in answer to your question, but gave up. My feelings against it are so strong that it wouldn't be a considered answer.

Holy sh*t I agree with Messie.



When would this tracking thing go on till? 18? How are you supposed to have a bit of a laugh going where you're not supposed to and actually grow up!? "No of course we're not going to the pub", you want to try and make your kids into zombies?!

[gruntygiggles]

No, I don't think there would be any point in this whatsoever.

Would it be a deterrent? No. The kind of people that do this sort of thing will still do it. What you may find as a result of the possibility that a child has a tracking device implanted is that the child will be "used" and killed in a much shorter time frame. Would it make it easier for the family through the expedited finding of the body? Probably, but that won't make it any better in the long run for them.

Should the kidnapper want the child to keep and raise as their own, the possibility of an implant will only mean that it would be likely that you, as a parent have taken a step that would mean that your child would be subjected to having that implant removed, probably by untrained hands...it's not as if a kidnapper could have it done at the local outpatients centre is it?

Would it be easy to locate the child using the device if the child should be kidnapped? No. Not necessarily. Again, the kind of people that will do this, will do it regardless of the measures put in place to protect against it. It would not be that difficult for them to scramble any signal being sent or received by any implant, rendering it useless anyway.

What worries me most about this idea though is that whilst Hong, you and other responsible parents would be doing it for all the right reasons, where there is a perception of protection, complacency can set in. We are all aware that there are less than great parents in the world and for them, a device like this could mean an excuse not to have to bother getting off the sofa to collect their child from school etc. In that respect, such a device could actually help the scum of society that pray on these children as it may mean that more of them are left to walk alone.

Parents are responsible for their children, period. No device can replace good parenting. Yes, occasionally a child slips through the gaps and the most awful things happen, but the chances of that are so small that no such drastic action should be warranted.

It is awful for the families of children that have been taken, but there will never be a time on this earth where it will not happen on very rare occasions. The best we can do as a society is take responsibility for our children, animals, loved ones etc and not expect anything or anyone else to replace that in any way, shape or form.

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